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Question: Should the Sydney International Airport curfew be abolished?

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Oct 28th, 2024 at 8:43am
 
I, for one, thing it is patently ridiculous that we have a curfew between 11pm and 6am on Australia's busiest international airport - Sydney International Airport (also known as Kingsford Smith Airport by some). That our politicians have given in to NIMBY's who moved to the area knowing very well that the airport is there along with the noise is beyond disappointing. The airport has been there longer than anyone has been alive in Sydney. It's not like its a secret that the airport exists.

Look at Heathrow, LAX, Changi, Dubai, SFO, JFK and numerous other international airports around the world that operate 24/7 every single day of the year without a curfew. It's time for politicians to grow a pair and abolish the curfew to allow 24/7 operation of Sydney International Airport.

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Reply #1 - Oct 28th, 2024 at 8:43am
 
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Reply #2 - Oct 28th, 2024 at 8:55am
 
HuhWell… for starters I had no idea there was as a curfew in existence at Sydney airport.
But then again I don’t live in NSW, yet… just having comeback from overseas, with our plane coming back in Oz in the wee hours of morning… I can’t see what good a curfew is?
Sounds rather silly to have one in place.
Not even sure how it works out this curfew at a busy international airport  Huh

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Reply #3 - Oct 28th, 2024 at 8:59am
 
I just looked it up… it is ridiculous! And not just Sydney.
Amazing how Tullamarine not included in curfew.

Adelaide, Essendon, Gold Coast and Sydney airports have curfews between 11pm and 6am. While most aircraft operations are prohibited during this period, emergency aircraft, some small jets, propeller-driven aircraft and freight movements are allowed.
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Reply #4 - Oct 28th, 2024 at 9:30am
 
Was the curfew imposed because attempt to reduce noise above residential areas when most of people are trying to sleep?

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Reply #5 - Oct 28th, 2024 at 9:56am
 
tallowood wrote on Oct 28th, 2024 at 9:30am:
Was the curfew imposed because attempt to reduce noise above residential areas when most of people are trying to sleep?



The official line is that it is to lessen the impact of aircraft noise on residents. It's utterly ridiculous. The busiest airport in Australia is not being utilised to its fullest extent because of a bunch of NIMBY's who moved INTO the area near the airport complained about the noise of the aircraft taking off and landing. Even after the government spent millions on installing sound-proofing materials in affected homes, they still complained loud enough that politicians capitulated to their demands and kept the curfew.

One of the conditions of the curfew is that any aircraft who are permitted to take off or land during the curfew hours must do so over Botany Bay. I think perhaps the only exceptions are the NSW Ambulance Air Ambulance and other aeromedical flights and emergency landings. But that doesn't guarantee you can do it (over Botany Bay), because it depends on the wind because you can only take off and land INTO the wind - you can't take off or land with the wind behind you as it is too dangerous.

It's time for the curfew to be abolished, it really is.
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Reply #6 - Oct 28th, 2024 at 10:18am
 
I haven't been to Sydney for sometime now but last time when I was there in Mascot at bbq party the noise of low flying aircraft was a big problem indeed and it was an issue during local and state elections.
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Reply #7 - Oct 28th, 2024 at 10:29am
 


SYDNEY AIRPORT: AIRCRAFT NOISE PROTEST

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Reply #8 - Oct 28th, 2024 at 10:49am
 
tallowood wrote on Oct 28th, 2024 at 10:18am:
I haven't been to Sydney for sometime now but last time when I was there in Mascot at bbq party the noise of low flying aircraft was a big problem indeed and it was an issue during local and state elections.


Then don't live there. By the way, aircraft noise today is nothing compared to what it was in the 70's and 80's when jets were far louder than they are today, and also more polluting!
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Reply #9 - Oct 28th, 2024 at 11:12am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 28th, 2024 at 10:49am:
Then don't live there. By the way, aircraft noise today is nothing compared to what it was in the 70's and 80's when jets were far louder than they are today, and also more polluting!


You should come over to my place and see what you think about aircraft noise.

Since the middle of August we've had probably close to 200 planes a day (except Sundays and the odd other day here and there) roaring over our roof between 7:30am and 5:30pm because of this:

Runway Works - Perth Airport

In the attached image, the main runway (03/21) where the maintenance is being done is marked in red and the shorter cross runway (06/24) is marked in green. North is at the top and I live in the area marked with the yellow circle which is about 4km from the southwest end of the cross runway.

It isn't so bad when the planes are landing if we have easterly winds but they're as noisy as h3ll when they take off with west/southwesterly winds (which we've had most of the time during the past few weeks).

Now, I'm sure most people would understand that these works have to be done but what a lot of people (especially the elderly) in my area are annoyed about is that the airport didn't even have the common courtesy to tell people what they were planning - like an ad or ads in the local paper or an ad in our regular Belmont Bulletin magazine.

As far as I know, the only 'advertising' the airport did was the above link (which you have to click through 3 or 4 links to find if you go to their main website) and on Facebook in the middle of August.

I'm sure all the oldies in our area are just glued to Facebook every day and follow Perth Airport.  Roll Eyes

Most oldies wouldn't even have Internet.

The good news is - when Perth Airport finally get around to building the new runway that they've been banging on about for a decade or two, the cross runway is going to be decommissioned.  Smiley

Latest estimate for the new runway completion - 2028. And I'm betting it won't be finished by the end of the decade seeing as they haven't even started it yet (it will be off the right hand side of the attached picture and parallel to the existing main runway).

New Runway - Perth Airport
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Reply #10 - Oct 28th, 2024 at 11:20am
 
Carl D wrote on Oct 28th, 2024 at 11:12am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 28th, 2024 at 10:49am:
Then don't live there. By the way, aircraft noise today is nothing compared to what it was in the 70's and 80's when jets were far louder than they are today, and also more polluting!


You should come over to my place and see what you think about aircraft noise.

Since the middle of August we've had probably close to 200 planes a day (except Sundays and the odd other day here and there) roaring over our roof between 7:30am and 5:30pm because of this:

Runway Works - Perth Airport

In the attached image, the main runway (03/21) where the maintenance is being done is marked in red and the shorter cross runway (06/24) is marked in green. North is at the top and I live in the area marked with the yellow circle which is about 4km from the southwest end of the cross runway.

It isn't so bad when the planes are landing if we have easterly winds but they're as noisy as h3ll when they take off with west/southwesterly winds (which we've had most of the time during the past few weeks).

Now, I'm sure most people would understand that these works have to be done but what a lot of people (especially the elderly) in my area are annoyed about is that the airport didn't even have the common courtesy to tell people what they were planning - like an ad or ads in the local paper or an ad in our regular Belmont Bulletin magazine.

As far as I know, the only 'advertising' the airport did was the above link (which you have to click through 3 or 4 links to find if you go to their main website) and on Facebook in the middle of August.

I'm sure all the oldies in our area are just glued to Facebook every day and follow Perth Airport.  Roll Eyes

Most oldies wouldn't even have Internet.

The good news is - when Perth Airport finally get around to building the new runway that they've been banging on about for a decade or two, the cross runway is going to be decommissioned.  Smiley

Latest estimate for the new runway completion - 2028. And I'm betting it won't be finished by the end of the decade seeing as they haven't even started it yet (it will be off the right hand side of the attached picture and parallel to the existing main runway.

New Runway - Perth Airport


Who was there first - you or Perth Airport? 'Nuff said!  Roll Eyes
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Reply #11 - Oct 28th, 2024 at 11:31am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 28th, 2024 at 11:20am:
Who was there first - you or Perth Airport? 'Nuff said!  Roll Eyes


We were here before they 'upgraded' the shorter cross runway about 15 years ago and started using it more often.

Up until then (well, up until 3 or 4 years ago, actually) they hardly used it at all.

And even though we can hear the planes on the main north-south runway they are a lot, lot quieter from where we are (you can probably see that from the image in my previous post).

Now, if you really want to see people getting riled up about aircraft noise, you should see Brisbane after they opened their new runway in 2020.

'Our lives have been completely destroyed': How Brisbane's new runway has made life hell for many.

Glad I don't live anywhere near there.

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Reply #12 - Oct 28th, 2024 at 11:34am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 28th, 2024 at 10:49am:
tallowood wrote on Oct 28th, 2024 at 10:18am:
I haven't been to Sydney for sometime now but last time when I was there in Mascot at bbq party the noise of low flying aircraft was a big problem indeed and it was an issue during local and state elections.


Then don't live there. By the way, aircraft noise today is nothing compared to what it was in the 70's and 80's when jets were far louder than they are today, and also more polluting!


I agree, Sydney is not livable, that's why I don't live there.
However a low flying aircraft makes inviting target for a muslim terrorist with MANPADS or kamikaze drone.
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Reply #13 - Oct 28th, 2024 at 12:07pm
 
tallowood wrote on Oct 28th, 2024 at 11:34am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 28th, 2024 at 10:49am:
tallowood wrote on Oct 28th, 2024 at 10:18am:
I haven't been to Sydney for sometime now but last time when I was there in Mascot at bbq party the noise of low flying aircraft was a big problem indeed and it was an issue during local and state elections.


Then don't live there. By the way, aircraft noise today is nothing compared to what it was in the 70's and 80's when jets were far louder than they are today, and also more polluting!


I agree, Sydney is not livable, that's why I don't live there.
However a low flying aircraft makes inviting target for a muslim terrorist with MANPADS or kamikaze drone.


With that thinking, every single airport should be closed for good.
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Reply #14 - Oct 28th, 2024 at 12:24pm
 
Speaking of airport curfews - there's been a push for a night curfew at Perth Airport for about the last 10 years but, as usual, the pollies and the airport come out with the tired old "but it'll affect tourism and the economy too much".

Same as what's happened in Brisbane since their new runway opened 4 years ago.

No concern for people who have their sleep disrupted 24/7/365 of course (I'm not one of them, fortunately).

In fact, if it wasn't for flights to and from Bali and the fly in, fly out workers in the mining industry I'm sure Perth Airport would be broke by now.

As Greg said in another thread a while back:

"Bogans and Hi Vis Vests - Welcome to Perth Airport".  Grin

Tourists? Nah... can't see too many of them coming here at this time of the year and going up to Kings Park hoping to see the beautiful view of the Swan River, City and surrounds and all they can see is smothering smoke as far as the eye can see from all the prescribed burns happening lately.  Roll Eyes
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