Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Pages: 1 ... 6 7 8 9 
Send Topic Print
What is Australian culture? (Read 4495 times)
Frank
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 49589
Gender: male
Re: What is Australian culture?
Reply #105 - Jul 13th, 2024 at 9:00am
 
KangAnon wrote on Jul 13th, 2024 at 8:53am:
Frank wrote on Jul 12th, 2024 at 9:18pm:
KangAnon wrote on Jul 12th, 2024 at 9:10pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 12th, 2024 at 4:50pm:
KangAnon wrote on Jul 12th, 2024 at 4:02pm:
It wasn't until they started having children of their own that they started to embrace their heritage because they wanted to keep it alive in their children, so they knew their history and where they came from.




But if white Anglo Australians want to do the same they are either called wacists or even their HAVING a heritage or culture of their own is questioned.
Look at this thread. Every heritage is respected, only Australianness is questioned, discounted or even dismissed out of hand.




There is nothing wrong with celebrating our culture in the same way, I'm just saying it's very difficult to articulate what that culture is.

We are a very young nation, with a founding that is difficult to celebrate.

We were a penal colony.

America was a penal colony for much longer than Australia. Australia was a substituted when the Americans went independent in 1776.


And?

It's actually parts of American "culture" that are making their way into the Australian psyche that is eroding the things we would once point to as what made us great.

Using them as an example is a poor choice.



You brought up the penal colony aspect.

In any case, as Clive James pointed out, the problem with Australia might not be that some are descendants of convicts but that many are descendants of jailers. Certainly in spirit. You are one such.
Back to top
 

Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.
 
IP Logged
 
MeisterEckhart
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 14109
Gender: male
Re: What is Australian culture?
Reply #106 - Jul 13th, 2024 at 9:46am
 
The most enduring pillar of Australian culture, or culture-bearer, is what is now known as the broad Australian accent.

First noted within 20 years of settlement, it has persisted as the most obvious marker of a person’s Australianness and Australianism (whatever that is), although it has diversified into at least three branches: broad, general and cultivated.

There are, however, significant sub-branches, such as: the Aboriginal Australian accent, southern European-Australian accents and various forms of Asian-Australian accents.

Of all of them though, the broad Australian accent dominates in identifying a person anywhere within the Anglosphere as Australian.

An interesting confirmation of this was an interview by Indian media with cricketer Brett Lee.

With an accent that is already unmistakably Australian, Lee broadened his accent for the interview to a degree that made it almost incomprehensible to even his fellow Australians.

That the Indian interviewer understood what Lee was saying indicated that this broadening was contrived and pre-scripted for Indian consumption - a nod to the uniqueness of the broad accent and an indicator that, whatever Australian culture may be, its enduring pillars are still to be found in those who speak in that way.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
tallowood
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6048
Re: What is Australian culture?
Reply #107 - Jul 13th, 2024 at 10:30am
 
...
...
...
Back to top
 

ישראל חיה ערבים לערבים
 
IP Logged
 
Gnads
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 30506
Gender: male
Re: What is Australian culture?
Reply #108 - Jul 13th, 2024 at 12:28pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 12th, 2024 at 8:44pm:
Rolf Harris was once an Australian cultural leader.

He stitched all the jingo icons together and had Australians bursting with pride.

[url]https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTkzNTc5NDk5M15BMl5BanBnXkFtZ
TcwNTI5NjY4Nw@@._V1_.jpg[/url]



You'd really love Jimmy Saville then?  Grin
Back to top
 

"When you are dead, you do not know you are dead. It's only painful and difficult for others. The same applies when you are stupid." ~ Ricky Gervais
 
IP Logged
 
MeisterEckhart
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 14109
Gender: male
Re: What is Australian culture?
Reply #109 - Jul 13th, 2024 at 12:41pm
 
Enduring pillars (ideals) of Australianism that have endured almost since settlement would include: egalitarianism, antiauthoritarianism, irreverence, secularism and 'mateship' (fraternity).
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Gnads
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 30506
Gender: male
Re: What is Australian culture?
Reply #110 - Jul 13th, 2024 at 12:42pm
 
KangAnon wrote on Jul 12th, 2024 at 9:08pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 12th, 2024 at 6:26pm:
KangAnon wrote on Jul 11th, 2024 at 3:04pm:
We don't really have a culture of our own.

Some would say the larrikin, have-a-go mentality and mateship were the exemplars of our culture, but COVID shows that were all utter bullshit.

The moment the going gets tough it's "bugger you, I've got mine" and "Don't tell me what to do" and even mask wearing was treated as the biggest injustice in the history of the world, akin to communism horrors and this simple act of personal responsibility too much to ask for to help your fellow Aussie when it was thought it could help reduce the spread of respiratory droplets and transmission.

No, we don't really have any culture of our own.

We've been heavily influenced by British colonisation. Many of our institutions, legal systems, and cultural practices derive from British traditions.

Our population is highly multicultural, with significant influences from various immigrant communities. This diversity is sometimes seen as overshadowing a distinct, unified Australian culture.

Much of our entertainment and popular culture, including movies, music, and fashion, is heavily influenced by American and British trends.

Some argue that mainstream Australia has not sufficiently integrated or acknowledged Indigenous Australian cultures, which have a rich and ancient heritage.  Any attempt to do so with things like welcome to country and other ceremonial duties triggers the usual suspects.

We simply lack a unique cultural identity.

Unless you consider the alcohol-fuelled, gambling-addicted and wife-beating elements our culture, which I hope not.


Always knew you were a self loathing, nation deprecating arsehole.


I'm not against celebrating Australian culture, I'm just saying nobody really agrees on what it is.

If you can't accept that I don't care.


That's not what you said - that what I high lighted.

So I don't accept what you said ....

and whether you care or not is of no consequence.
Back to top
 

"When you are dead, you do not know you are dead. It's only painful and difficult for others. The same applies when you are stupid." ~ Ricky Gervais
 
IP Logged
 
Laugh till you cry
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 16619
In your happy place
Gender: male
Re: What is Australian culture?
Reply #111 - Jul 13th, 2024 at 1:25pm
 
If Gnads is a representative of Australian culture, Australia is doomed.
Back to top
 

Please don't thank me. Effusive fawning and obeisance of disciples, mendicants, and foot-kissers embarrass me.
 
IP Logged
 
Frank
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 49589
Gender: male
Re: What is Australian culture?
Reply #112 - Jul 13th, 2024 at 1:30pm
 
KangAnon wrote on Jul 12th, 2024 at 9:08pm:
I'm not against celebrating Australian culture, I'm just saying nobody really agrees on what it is.

If you can't accept that I don't care.


A fatuous summary of this prseudo-debate.

Can you point to any country where there is unanimous agreement on what its culture is?
Back to top
« Last Edit: Jul 13th, 2024 at 1:36pm by Frank »  

Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.
 
IP Logged
 
Laugh till you cry
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 16619
In your happy place
Gender: male
Re: What is Australian culture?
Reply #113 - Jul 13th, 2024 at 1:50pm
 
The only attribute that can be specifically identified as Australian culture is multiculturalism.

OY OY OY.


...
Back to top
 

Please don't thank me. Effusive fawning and obeisance of disciples, mendicants, and foot-kissers embarrass me.
 
IP Logged
 
Frank
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 49589
Gender: male
Re: What is Australian culture?
Reply #114 - Jul 13th, 2024 at 3:40pm
 
What do we owe the White Australia Policy?



It’s an uncomfortable truth for much of the Australian public, but everything we love and value about Australia we owe to the White Australia Policy.

It is so central to our national character that New South Wales’ 23rd Premier Jack Lang once said:

“White Australia must not be regarded as a mere political shibboleth. It was Australia’s Magna Carta. Without that policy, this country would have been lost long ere this.”

The events that occurred before federation led directly to it and the implementation of the policy. After its abolition, our social values and culture still has its direct connection to the emerging Australian sentiment and ideals that took place during our early colonial period and flourished during our formative century, from 1850 to 1950. The policy is directly responsible for everything we associate with Australian culture, our national identity, social values, political framework and our customs and traditions.

At its core, Australia is a White creation. Before Captain James Cook landed in Botany Bay in 1770, Australia didn’t exist. The land mass was there, and the Aboriginals inhabited it, but the land was undeveloped and had no infrastructure or political system to formulate it into a country. This all changed when European men and women came to settle and develop the colonies.

Those who diminish the European foundation for Australia by saying the land doesn’t belong to us, because “sovereignty was never ceded” and use phrases like “White Australia has a black history”, don’t understand Australian history. This historical analysis will help dispel these myths.

Our history stems from hundreds of years of European, but more specifically, British history. Viewed in this way, White Australia is thousands of years in the making and was inevitable. Even the most overlooked details of our culture are thousands of years old: Wedding rings, for example, are an Ancient Roman tradition that represents permanence, strength, eternal love and commitment.




The rest is here:  https://www.noticer.news/what-do-we-owe-the-white-australia-policy/
Back to top
 

Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.
 
IP Logged
 
Bias_2012
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 10766
Gender: male
Re: What is Australian culture?
Reply #115 - Jul 13th, 2024 at 5:03pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 13th, 2024 at 1:50pm:
The only attribute that can be specifically identified as Australian culture is multiculturalism.



Strange statement! Multiculturalism in Australia is a human political construct. The basic Aussie culture is what all "multicultural" ethnic Australians live within in the overall community, whether they are aware of it or not

The Aussie culture is a culture on it's own, in it's own right. In it's basic form, it's the culture nearly all immigrants are attracted to when they sign their immigration papers ....laid-back lifestyle, free to travel around, sense of humor, peaceful coexistence (but it must be reciprocal from the ethnic immigrants of all shades), natural justice, fun-loving activity, sporting activity, each to their own, respect for the opposite sex, respect for the law, a helping hand when needed, a fair go, the freedom to seek opportunities to advance improvement in one's life or for the community in general, religion not to be forced down our throats

Without all these positive Aussie cultural attributes, immigrants seeking a better life, might think twice about coming here. Coming here for hand-outs, education, jobs, modern living, and a chance to live in a house of their own, provides only half the story. It's essential to also have a peaceful basic egalitarian culture as a foundation for immigrants to achieve what they want to do in their lives.

The core Aussie culture is what everyone is really living by, regardless of what is practiced in ones own home. There are exceptions in the community though, those of the Islamic faith and perhaps a few others. They shun the core Aussie culture, and Australia is poorer for it. To work as a nation, Australia must be unified, only the core Aussie culture can do that, all other cultures have to be subservient, all of them together can't be a "main" culture, it's a contradiction in terms to think they could be





Back to top
« Last Edit: Jul 14th, 2024 at 12:49am by Bias_2012 »  

Our Lives Are Governed By The Feast & Famine Variable
 
IP Logged
 
Laugh till you cry
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 16619
In your happy place
Gender: male
Re: What is Australian culture?
Reply #116 - Jul 13th, 2024 at 6:56pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Jul 13th, 2024 at 5:03pm:
To work as a nation, Australia must be unified, only the core Aussie culture can do that, all other culture have to be subservient, all of them together can't be a "main" culture, it's a contradiction in terms to think they could be


That looks very much like what Germany was imposing in 1939.

Oy! Oy! Oy!
Back to top
 

Please don't thank me. Effusive fawning and obeisance of disciples, mendicants, and foot-kissers embarrass me.
 
IP Logged
 
Frank
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 49589
Gender: male
Re: What is Australian culture?
Reply #117 - Jul 13th, 2024 at 8:14pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 13th, 2024 at 6:56pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Jul 13th, 2024 at 5:03pm:
To work as a nation, Australia must be unified, only the core Aussie culture can do that, all other culture have to be subservient, all of them together can't be a "main" culture, it's a contradiction in terms to think they could be


That looks very much like what Germany was imposing in 1939.

Oy! Oy! Oy!


Australian kultcha of 40,000 years, alive and cursin'.  Proud, ancient culture. Always was, always will be.

Gissa green slab = that means Green Dreaming.

Gordon wrote on Jul 13th, 2024 at 7:18pm:
Need a bit more of it

]

Back to top
 

Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.
 
IP Logged
 
Bias_2012
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 10766
Gender: male
Re: What is Australian culture?
Reply #118 - Jul 14th, 2024 at 1:21am
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 13th, 2024 at 6:56pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Jul 13th, 2024 at 5:03pm:
To work as a nation, Australia must be unified, only the core Aussie culture can do that, all other culture have to be subservient, all of them together can't be a "main" culture, it's a contradiction in terms to think they could be


That looks very much like what Germany was imposing in 1939.

Oy! Oy! Oy!



Trust you to think of that, when I just listed all the egalitarian attributes of the Aussie culture ... they are the mainstay by which peaceful living is attained in the broader community, and to avoid conflict between all the different races and cultures. Rule of law is one thing, but a dominate egalitarian culture is necessary for the laws to work. The Aussie culture and Australian law go hand in hand (as an example, the muslim bloke who sexually molesting women in hospitals just recently, not only had no respect for the law, he also had no respect for the opposite sex .. which is a violation of the mainstay Aussie culture)




Back to top
 

Our Lives Are Governed By The Feast & Famine Variable
 
IP Logged
 
MeisterEckhart
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 14109
Gender: male
Re: What is Australian culture?
Reply #119 - Jul 14th, 2024 at 8:18am
 
The ideals of egalitarianism, antiauthoritarianism, irreverence, secularism, and mateship (or fraternity) - are not in themselves unique to Australia, but they are collectively those on which Australianism is founded.

The first three were gifted to us by Irish culture and the sentiments of the British underclasses.

Secularism likely grew organically from antiauthoritarianism and irreverence.

The ideal of mateship undoubtedly evolved from the same sensibility as the revolutionary French republican ideal of fraternité - that of a national brotherhood in defence of the people against tyranny, class injustice and adversity.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 ... 6 7 8 9 
Send Topic Print