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Re: We Need A Increase In The Minimum Wage
Reply #15 - May 20^th, 2024 at 6:28pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 6:40pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 2:28pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 1:58pm:

We need a massive crackdown on costs of living and working for the majority....

Any ideas?

Refuted months ago.....

Your ideas were refuted months ago? (sorry, couldn't resist replying with a FD-style question...)

But you didn't refute anything, now or months ago.

You merely claimed "real jobs" are private sector jobs, and you discounted the value of work which the local community wants done, even if the work is not part of the market economy.

"Give a man a fish (welfare) and he can feed himself for a day.

Teach a man how to fish (ie, how to engage paid work) and he will feed himself for a life-time."

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Re: We Need A Increase In The Minimum Wage
Reply #16 - May 20^th, 2024 at 6:42pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 6:28pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 6:40pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 2:28pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 1:58pm:

We need a massive crackdown on costs of living and working for the majority....

Any ideas?

Refuted months ago.....

Your ideas were refuted months ago? (sorry, couldn't resist replying with a FD-style question...)

But you didn't refute anything, now or months ago.

You just claimed "real jobs" are private sector jobs, and discount the value of work which the local community wants done outside of the market economy.

Refuted months ago AND above...

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Re: We Need A Increase In The Minimum Wage
Reply #17 - May 20^th, 2024 at 6:48pm

Frank wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 6:42pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 6:28pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 6:40pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 2:28pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 1:58pm:

We need a massive crackdown on costs of living and working for the majority....

Any ideas?

Refuted months ago.....

Your ideas were refuted months ago? (sorry, couldn't resist replying with a FD-style question...)

But you didn't refute anything, now or months ago.

You just claimed "real jobs" are private sector jobs, and discount the value of work which the local community wants done outside of the market economy.

Refuted months ago AND above...

On the contrary, you didn't refute anything.

What part of "the value of work the community wants done" don't you understand?

""Give a man a fish (welfare) and he can feed himself for a day.

Teach a man how to fish (ie, how to engage paid work) and he will feed himself for a life-time."

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Re: We Need A Increase In The Minimum Wage
Reply #18 - May 20^th, 2024 at 7:05pm

Frank wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 2:42pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 1:58pm:

We need a massive crackdown on costs of living and working for the majority....

Sack Bowen, ditch the net zero lunacy, cut immigration by trolley pushers, uber drivers and food delivery "students", cut government spending and income tax for workers, scrap all exemptions from the GST.

For starters.

Get proper tax from our gas:

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Re: We Need A Increase In The Minimum Wage
Reply #19 - May 20^th, 2024 at 7:25pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 6:48pm:

Frank wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 6:42pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 6:28pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 6:40pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 2:28pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 1:58pm:

We need a massive crackdown on costs of living and working for the majority....

Any ideas?

Refuted months ago.....

Your ideas were refuted months ago? (sorry, couldn't resist replying with a FD-style question...)

But you didn't refute anything, now or months ago.

You just claimed "real jobs" are private sector jobs, and discount the value of work which the local community wants done outside of the market economy.

Refuted months ago AND above...

On the contrary, you didn't refute anything.

What part of "the value of work the community wants done" don't you understand?

""Give a man a fish (welfare) and he can feed himself for a day.

Teach a man how to fish (ie, how to engage paid work) and he will feed himself for a life-time."

TAFE, innit.

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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19450 Gender:	Re: We Need A Increase In The Minimum Wage Reply #22 - May 20^th, 2024 at 10:37pm The minimum wage is already too high. How much is unskilled labor really worth? Economist Milton Friedman on minimum wage
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Re: We Need A Increase In The Minimum Wage
Reply #23 - May 20^th, 2024 at 10:44pm

whiteknight wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 5:48pm:

This is why we need an increase in the minimum wage. So people can catch up to inflation. Sad

So the price of goods and services go up to pay for the wage rise ... then a demand for higher wages follows to pay for the price increases ... then the prices go up to pay for the wage rise ...

Off we go on the inflationary spiral.

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Re: We Need A Increase In The Minimum Wage
Reply #24 - May 21^st, 2024 at 1:01am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 1:58pm:

We need a massive crackdown on costs of living and working for the majority....

Exactly right!!

We don’t need more money.

We need our taxes spent for us rather than on failing businesses!

We need public servants sacked and held accountable for the millions they waste on poor decisions rather than be protected!

We also need a government with a backbone to to crack down on companies ripping us all off!

Never going to happen so long as brown paper bags full of coin are constantly delivered to our politicians!

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“Two incomes of $120-150k a year is the minimum required to live in Australia. You need to find a career that can get you to that in the future, or you’re cooked,”

Fair go!?

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Re: We Need A Increase In The Minimum Wage
Reply #25 - May 21^st, 2024 at 1:11am

thegreatdivide wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 2:28pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 1:58pm:

We need a massive crackdown on costs of living and working for the majority....

Any ideas?

Id suggest honestly but it’s a almost a election year so I’m dreaming.

From my experience small business is completely going under.

Australia is broken from the covid 19 costs to taxpayers.

I have always thought I’d like visiting Argentina.

Now I can set at home and wait to see the same society.

The thing I find funny, ha, ha, is our politicians have voted themselves some the highest wages o the world!

While at the same time failing our people totally?

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“Two incomes of $120-150k a year is the minimum required to live in Australia. You need to find a career that can get you to that in the future, or you’re cooked,”

Fair go!?

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Re: We Need A Increase In The Minimum Wage
Reply #26 - May 21^st, 2024 at 10:47am

Frank wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 7:25pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 6:48pm:

Frank wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 6:42pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 6:28pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 6:40pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 2:28pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 1:58pm:

We need a massive crackdown on costs of living and working for the majority....

Any ideas?

Refuted months ago.....

Your ideas were refuted months ago? (sorry, couldn't resist replying with a FD-style question...)

But you didn't refute anything, now or months ago.

You just claimed "real jobs" are private sector jobs, and discount the value of work which the local community wants done outside of the market economy.

Refuted months ago AND above...

On the contrary, you didn't refute anything.

What part of "the value of work the community wants done" don't you understand?

""Give a man a fish (welfare) and he can feed himself for a day.

Teach a man how to fish (ie, how to engage paid work) and he will feed himself for a life-time."

TAFE, innit.

TAFE is certainly part of the solution. It was defunded by small government/low tax ideology, but at last Labor is funding it again.

You low tax ideologues think low taxes mean greater productivity, but the TAFE experience over the last decade and more has shown otherwise.

Bobby mentioned taxing fossil fuels, another source of government revenue.

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Re: We Need A Increase In The Minimum Wage
Reply #27 - May 25^th, 2024 at 9:30pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 6:19pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 5:53pm:

Frank wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 2:42pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 1:58pm:

We need a massive crackdown on costs of living and working for the majority....

Sack Bowen, ditch the net zero lunacy, cut immigration by trolley pushers, uber drivers and food delivery "students", cut government spending and income tax for workers, scrap all exemptions from the GST.

For starters.

well said frank

Nah, you are all low tax, personal responsibility losers.

The happiest peple in the world live under high-tax regimes.

https://www.financialexpress.com/policy/economy-those-who-pay-higher-tax-are-hap...

World Happiness Report 2018: Those who pay higher tax are happier! Don’t believe us, here’s the proof

Eminent social-scientist Benjamin Radcliff has drawn a parallel between happiness and tax rates, saying that “higher levels of taxation suggest higher levels of satisfaction with life”, and hence more happiness. And there are other social scientists too who contend the same.16 Mar 2018

Meanwhile, heterodox economists are offering a zero tax (which you crave for), zero interest rate, zero inflation, full employment economy, but you need to do your own research on that topic.

That is as stupid as you are, parrot.

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Re: We Need A Increase In The Minimum Wage
Reply #28 - May 26^th, 2024 at 5:36pm

Frank wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 9:30pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 6:19pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 5:53pm:

Frank wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 2:42pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 1:58pm:

We need a massive crackdown on costs of living and working for the majority....

Sack Bowen, ditch the net zero lunacy, cut immigration by trolley pushers, uber drivers and food delivery "students", cut government spending and income tax for workers, scrap all exemptions from the GST.

For starters.

well said frank

Nah, you are all low tax, personal responsibility losers.

The happiest peple in the world live under high-tax regimes.

https://www.financialexpress.com/policy/economy-those-who-pay-higher-tax-are-hap...

World Happiness Report 2018: Those who pay higher tax are happier! Don’t believe us, here’s the proof

Eminent social-scientist Benjamin Radcliff has drawn a parallel between happiness and tax rates, saying that “higher levels of taxation suggest higher levels of satisfaction with life”, and hence more happiness. And there are other social scientists too who contend the same.16 Mar 2018

Meanwhile, heterodox economists are offering a zero tax (which you crave for), zero interest rate, zero inflation, full employment economy, but you need to do your own research on that topic.

That is as stupid as you are, parrot.

Er...in a choice beteween Rafcliffe and you...no contest.

And a choice between orthodox Neoclassical/Friedmanite economists, and heterodox economists who know poverty is a political choice - again no contest.

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Re: We Need A Increase In The Minimum Wage
Reply #29 - May 26^th, 2024 at 5:39pm

Baronvonrort wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 10:37pm:

The minimum wage is already too high. How much is unskilled labor really worth?

Economist Milton Friedman on minimum wage

Oh no - not Milton Friedman's obsolete ideas - still beloved by flat-earth mainstrean economists - based on fixed exchange rates and the gold standard.

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