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Darts Players Quit Over Transgender Team Mate
Mar 25^th, 2024 at 2:15pm

Darts players Anca Zijlstra and Aileen de Graaf have announced their
departure from the Dutch women's darts team because they refuse to
team up with trans woman Noa-Lynn van Leuven.

      Noa-Lynn van Leuven with team mates:


   "The moment you're embarrassed to be a part of the Dutch Team, because
   a biological man is playing in the women's team, it's time to go," Zijlstra wrote.

As far as I can tell (and I could be wrong) in sports—all sports—people
born as males have had the advantage of ten or 15, or even 20 years of
developmental testosterone. And this obviously results in an adult male of
increased muscle and body mass, and increased height and reach. M2Fs
often claim that because of targetted hormone treatment, their testosterone
levels are extremely low—matching that of a birth female. That may well
be true, but the relevant point is that past puberty, they've already developed
their superior body strength, physique, and stamina.

   I have nothing against transgendered persons per se, but I still believe that
   there is no place for M2Fs in competitive female sports of any/all kinds.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 117563 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Darts Players Quit Over Transgender Team Mate Reply #1 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 3:04pm I don't see how being a male gives any advantage in playing darts?
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 150690 Gender:	Re: Darts Players Quit Over Transgender Team Mate Reply #2 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 4:26pm Bobby. wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 3:04pm: I don't see how being a male gives any advantage in playing darts? It's got something to do with the beer gut, Bobby.
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Reply #3 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 4:28pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 3:04pm:

I don't see how being a male gives any advantage in playing darts?

Height and reach.

The centre of a competition dart board is set at 1.7 metres above the floor.
A taller individual has a height advantage as they're playing more at their eye level.

(Or so as I've read.)

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Reply #4 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 4:30pm

AusGeoff wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 4:28pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 3:04pm:

I don't see how being a male gives any advantage in playing darts?

Height and reach.

The centre of a competition dart board is set at 1.7 metres above the floor.
A taller individual has a height advantage as they're playing more at their eye level.

(Or so as I've read.)

Yeah, but the beer gut has to play a part. Surely.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 55590 Gender:	Re: Darts Players Quit Over Transgender Team Mate Reply #5 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 4:37pm
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Super Nova Gold Member Offline Posts: 3085 Everywhere Gender:	Re: Darts Players Quit Over Transgender Team Mate Reply #6 - Mar 26^th, 2024 at 11:28pm Good on them. Enough of this nonsense.
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Reply #7 - Mar 27^th, 2024 at 7:26am

The Democraps are self-destructing with Woke, Lefties, etc.

You just have to be as far Right from the blast radius not to be affected by it.

The Democraps are crumbling and they're taking a lot of the USA and World with them. Already they've let the Zombies flood in and Rape America. More will happen.

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33082 Gender:	Re: Darts Players Quit Over Transgender Team Mate Reply #10 - Mar 27^th, 2024 at 10:57am Bobby. wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 3:04pm: I don't see how being a male gives any advantage in playing darts? You really thought that out now didn't you?
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Reply #11 - Mar 27^th, 2024 at 4:04pm

This 'sport' would be on the same gender-level playing 'field' as motorsports. It is not physicality that determines the outcome of the competition. It is focus.

I watched a tenpin bowling match with a woman in the final. She beat all of her male opponents because she was more accurate than them. The fact that many of the male tenpin bowlers could turn the ball square did nothing to change the fact that they did not get as many strikes as the female player.

Contact sports, athletics, swimming, and a few other competitive sports I would say it would be unfair to have men compete against women. But, when the sport is about how accurate you are, the gender should not matter.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 55590 Gender:	Re: Darts Players Quit Over Transgender Team Mate Reply #12 - Mar 27^th, 2024 at 4:06pm Good point.
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Reply #13 - Mar 28^th, 2024 at 12:20am

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 27^th, 2024 at 4:04pm:

This 'sport' would be on the same gender-level playing 'field' as motorsports. It is not physicality that determines the outcome of the competition. It is focus.

I watched a tenpin bowling match with a woman in the final. She beat all of her male opponents because she was more accurate than them. The fact that many of the male tenpin bowlers could turn the ball square did nothing to change the fact that they did not get as many strikes as the female player.

Contact sports, athletics, swimming, and a few other competitive sports I would say it would be unfair to have men compete against women. But, when the sport is about how accurate you are, the gender should not matter.

It does matter if you claim to be a women's team competing in a women's only competition with a biological man dressed up as a women in the team.

Then it matters.

If it is any gender, then only then does it not matter.

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Reply #14 - Mar 28^th, 2024 at 12:28pm

Super Nova wrote on Mar 28^th, 2024 at 12:20am:

It does matter if you claim to be a women's team competing in a women's only competition with a biological man dressed up as a women in the team.

Then it matters.

If it is any gender, then only then does it not matter.

It... is... a... darts... competition. We are not talking about golf where strength and accuracy is important. We are talking about a competition where accuracy is important, and strength is irrelevant.

Having a "women's only" competition for a sport that does not rely on gender to matter for the competition is discriminatory.

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