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Re: Islamic University for Sydney
Reply #30 - Mar 20th, 2024 at 5:42am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 19th, 2024 at 2:40pm:
My wife became an Australian citizen, at her ceremony there were two Muslims who swore their allegiance to the Queen and the Government of Australia on their own copies of the Koran.



That's an oxymoronic action

Muslims have already sworn allegiance to the Koran by being muslims, that's their top priority. Swearing allegiance to the Monarchy and the Aust Government would only be secondary, something they just have to do to become citizens of a Western welfare State. But if it came to the crunch, and they had to choose between the Monarchy/Aust Govt, and the Koran, they'd choose the Koran and Sharia

This new Islamic university is going to teach young muslims about how they can live side-by-side with non-muslims, which will amount to living in peaceful co-existence with the rest of the Australia community, which in turn means, eradicating the influence of overseas born Imams who are hostile to the Western way of life and who have preached thus

The new university might also teach Palestinian Australians how to accept Government policy that supports Israel's right to exist and it's right to defend itself





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Re: Islamic University for Sydney
Reply #31 - Mar 20th, 2024 at 6:13am
 
Jasin wrote on Mar 20th, 2024 at 4:24am:
Islam is taking over Australia...

I know a lot of people here will claim that as being overdramatic,
but I tend to agree with you—although in the longer term rather
than at the present. 

I'd also guess that by 2050, Islam will be the sole major religion
here in Australia, easily outstripping Catholicism and Protestantism
in practising numbers.  By that time though, I hope that atheism will
form the dominant "religious" status quo.  At the moment, it currently
outnumbers both Catholics and Anglicans.

I am however currently concerned that Australian universities and
public hospitals are now bound to provide religion-specific "prayer
rooms"  and/or "spaces" for Islamic worship.

It also prompts another question in my mind:  Will the Islamic University
in Sydney be bound to provide prayer rooms for each of the Catholic
and the Anglican parishioners? 

 

     Or even a dedicated "space" for the atheists?     Wink


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Re: Islamic University for Sydney
Reply #32 - Mar 20th, 2024 at 6:42am
 
AusGeoff wrote on Mar 20th, 2024 at 6:13am:
Jasin wrote on Mar 20th, 2024 at 4:24am:
Islam is taking over Australia...

I know a lot of people here will claim that as being overdramatic,
but I tend to agree with you—although in the longer term rather
than at the present. 

I'd also guess that by 2050, Islam will be the sole major religion
here in Australia, easily outstripping Catholicism and Protestantism
in practising numbers.  By that time though, I hope that atheism will
form the dominant "religious" status quo.  At the moment, it currently
outnumbers both Catholics and Anglicans.

I am however currently concerned that Australian universities and
public hospitals are now bound to provide religion-specific "prayer
rooms"  and/or "spaces" for Islamic worship.

It also prompts another question in my mind:  Will the Islamic University
in Sydney be bound to provide prayer rooms for each of the Catholic
and the Anglican parishioners? 

 

     Or even a dedicated "space" for the atheists?     Wink




It's the duty of muslims to convert non-believers into being believers - Allah willed it



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Re: Islamic University for Sydney
Reply #33 - Mar 20th, 2024 at 10:43am
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Mar 19th, 2024 at 1:33pm:
Gnads wrote on Mar 19th, 2024 at 10:48am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 18th, 2024 at 3:52pm:
Why are Catholics allowed a University and Muslims are not?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Every Mosque is a centre for hate speech & fundamentalist indoctrination .... why give them a carte blanche to make more radicals with a University? Another set up for tax free status?

As if they don't make enough money from the Halal Certification scam.


The hate speech is at the Mosques, not from the Mosques.

Gands is a hate fomenter p!ssing into the argument.


I wouldn't p1ss on you if you were on fire.
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Reply #34 - Mar 20th, 2024 at 10:47am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 19th, 2024 at 2:43pm:
Gnads wrote on Mar 19th, 2024 at 10:48am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 18th, 2024 at 3:52pm:
Why are Catholics allowed a University and Muslims are not?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Every Mosque is a centre for hate speech & fundamentalist indoctrination .... why give them a carte blanche to make more radicals with a University? Another set up for tax free status?

As if they don't make enough money from the Halal Certification scam.


You have no idea, no idea, at all.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Coming from you that means absolutely nothing you old hypocritical twat.

Discriminated against because he was Catholic? BS.

I bet it was because he was like you.... like father like son.
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Reply #35 - Mar 20th, 2024 at 10:48am
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Mar 19th, 2024 at 6:44pm:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 19th, 2024 at 2:01pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Mar 19th, 2024 at 1:33pm:
Gnads wrote on Mar 19th, 2024 at 10:48am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 18th, 2024 at 3:52pm:
Why are Catholics allowed a University and Muslims are not?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Every Mosque is a centre for hate speech & fundamentalist indoctrination .... why give them a carte blanche to make more radicals with a University? Another set up for tax free status?

As if they don't make enough money from the Halal Certification scam.


The hate speech is at the Mosques, not from the Mosques.

Gands is a hate fomenter p!ssing into the argument.


The hate speech is at the Mosques, that’s the problem; where it’s at.


Your confession as a hate propagator directed "at the Mosques" is noted. You should turn yourself into your local police.

The world will be a safer place once you are jailed.


They're coming for you too .... you terrorist supporting Jew hater.
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Re: Islamic University for Sydney
Reply #36 - Mar 20th, 2024 at 10:55am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 19th, 2024 at 2:43pm:
Gnads wrote on Mar 19th, 2024 at 10:48am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 18th, 2024 at 3:52pm:
Why are Catholics allowed a University and Muslims are not?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Every Mosque is a centre for hate speech & fundamentalist indoctrination .... why give them a carte blanche to make more radicals with a University? Another set up for tax free status?

As if they don't make enough money from the Halal Certification scam.


You have no idea, no idea, at all.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You are just chanting, Bbwian.   Nothing intelligent to say, so you chant:
Yawns, tut tuts, eye rolling.
Turd has his own chant, too, about Trump and rape.

Chanting is your limit.
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Re: Islamic University for Sydney
Reply #37 - Mar 20th, 2024 at 1:00pm
 
Gnads wrote on Mar 20th, 2024 at 10:47am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 19th, 2024 at 2:43pm:
Gnads wrote on Mar 19th, 2024 at 10:48am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 18th, 2024 at 3:52pm:
Why are Catholics allowed a University and Muslims are not?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Every Mosque is a centre for hate speech & fundamentalist indoctrination .... why give them a carte blanche to make more radicals with a University? Another set up for tax free status?

As if they don't make enough money from the Halal Certification scam.


You have no idea, no idea, at all.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Coming from you that means absolutely nothing you old hypocritical twat.

Discriminated against because he was Catholic? BS.

I bet it was because he was like you.... like father like son.


You know nothing.  The state public service openly discriminated against Catholics.  That is a well known fact.  No Catholic was allowed to become a Clerk, all they could hope for was Clerical Assistant rank.  So my father transferred to the Commonwealth Public Service where no such barriers existed.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #38 - Mar 20th, 2024 at 1:09pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 20th, 2024 at 5:42am:
That's an oxymoronic action

Muslims have already sworn allegiance to the Koran by being muslims, that's their top priority. Swearing allegiance to the Monarchy and the Aust Government would only be secondary, something they just have to do to became citizens of a Western welfare State. But if it came to the crunch, and they had to choose between the Monarchy/Aust Govt, and the Koran, they'd choose the Koran and Sharia

This new Islamic university is going to teach young muslims about how they can live side-by-side with non-muslims, which will amount to living in peaceful co-existence with the rest of the Australia community, which in turn means, eradicating the influence of overseas born Imams who are hostile to the Western way of life and who have preached thus

The new university might also teach Palestinian Australians how to accept Government policy that supports Israel's right to exist and it's right to defend itself


Muslims are instructed to support the laws of where they are situated, according to the Koran.
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Question:
Some Muslim youth in the West do not believe it is important to avoid breaking the law in countries that are not the Khilafah.

Answer:
In the name of Allah, Most Compassionate, Most Merciful,

Muslims are generally obliged to abide by the laws of the land and the country they live in, whether it is a Islamic state (al-khilafa), Muslim countries, or non-Muslim countries such as those in the west, as long as they are not ordered to practice something that is against Shariah. If they are forced by the law to commit a sin, then in such a case, it will not just be unnecessary to abide by the law, rather impermissible.

Some Muslims are under the impression that it is permissible to violate the laws of countries that are not an Islamic state (al-Khilafa), which is totally incorrect. Muslims must adhere to the laws of any country they live in, whether in the west or the east, as long as the law is not in contradiction with one’s religion.

Sayyiduna Abd Allah ibn Umar (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “It is necessary upon a Muslim to listen to and obey the ruler, as long as one is not ordered to carry out a sin. If he is commanded to commit a sin, then there is no adherence and obedience.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, no. 2796 & Sunan Tirmidhi)

The above Hadith is general, in that it does not distinguish between Muslim and non-Muslim lands, although the understanding of the scholars is that it generally applies to Muslim lands.

Furthermore, many scholars have divided non-Muslim lands (dar al-Harb/kufr) into two categories, Dar al-Khawf & Dar al-Aman. The former (dar al-khawf) refers to a land where Muslims are under a constant threat and fear with regards to their religion, life and wealth, whilst the latter (dar al-Aman) refers to a land where Muslims are relatively secure and safe. In Dar al-Aman (such as many non-Muslim countries in the west), many of the injunctions and rulings are very similar to Muslim lands (dar al-Islam), thus the command of following the laws of the land would also apply in these non-Muslim lands. (See: Radd al-Muhtar)

Those who are of the view that it is not necessary to obey the laws of the land unless it is ruled by a proper Islamic governance system, usually say that these laws are non-Islamic and man made, and one is only obliged to abide by the laws of Allah!

In reality, this is a very immature understanding of Islam, for even an Islamic Khilafa government would implement laws that are the creation of their own minds and Ijtihad. If an Islamic government sees the need to implement a certain law, then it has the full jurisdiction to do so, even if it is not found in the Qur’an and Sunnah.

All the scholars unanimously agree that, if an Islamic government decides to implement a law for the benefit of the country and its citizens, then there is nothing wrong in doing so, as long as it does not contradict Shariah, and this law will be binding upon every citizen of that country, even if it was not made obligatory by Shariah initially. Therefore, the laws which an Islamic Khilafa government will set down will also be “man made”, and binding upon all the citizens.

Then the case here is not between “Allah’s laws” and “man made laws” rather one must understand and deal with the issue more rationally and deeply.

When one lives in a particular country, one agrees verbally, in writing or effectively to adhere to the rules and regulations of that country. This, according to Shariah, is considered to be a covenant, agreement and trust. One is obliged to fulfil the trust regardless of whether it is contracted with a friend, enemy, Muslim, non-Muslim or a government. The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) and his Companions (Allah be pleased with them all) always stood by their word and did not breach any trust or agreement, as it is clear from the books of Sunnah and history. Thus, to break a promise or breach a trust of even a non-Muslim is absolutely unlawful and considered a sign of being a hypocrite (munafiq).

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Reply #39 - Mar 20th, 2024 at 1:41pm
 
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Muslims are instructed to support the laws of where they are situated, according to the Koran.


That's why they blow up trains, buses, stadiums, theatres, restaurants, behead strangers across Western cities.

All a misreading. Honestly.
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Frank wrote on Mar 20th, 2024 at 1:41pm:
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Muslims are instructed to support the laws of where they are situated, according to the Koran.


That's why they blow up trains, buses, stadiums, theatres, restaurants, behead strangers across Western cities.

All a misreading. Honestly.


Like a broken two-bob watch, you're right, twice a day, Soren.  It seems that some Muslims pay too much attention to pooh-stirring Imans rather than the Koran itself.  Perhaps they believe what they are told?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #41 - Mar 20th, 2024 at 3:40pm
 
AusGeoff wrote on Mar 20th, 2024 at 6:13am:
Jasin wrote on Mar 20th, 2024 at 4:24am:
Islam is taking over Australia...

I know a lot of people here will claim that as being overdramatic,
but I tend to agree with you—although in the longer term rather
than at the present. 

I'd also guess that by 2050, Islam will be the sole major religion
here in Australia, easily outstripping Catholicism and Protestantism
in practising numbers.  By that time though, I hope that atheism will
form the dominant "religious" status quo.  At the moment, it currently
outnumbers both Catholics and Anglicans.

I am however currently concerned that Australian universities and
public hospitals are now bound to provide religion-specific "prayer
rooms"  and/or "spaces" for Islamic worship.

It also prompts another question in my mind:  Will the Islamic University
in Sydney be bound to provide prayer rooms for each of the Catholic
and the Anglican parishioners? 

 

     Or even a dedicated "space" for the atheists?     Wink




Well its a case that Islam is exploiting a weak spot in Australian 'overall' cultural identity via the Aboriginal culture as 'both' are portals to Africa.
As there is only the British, USA and 'other' overseas Cultural integration here in the name of Multi-Culturalism.
They can do as they see fit and exploit the opportunity.

...until some 'domestic and original' self-sufficient cultural entity that is detached from being Aboriginal or any of the 'overseas' influences with dependence upon them. Islam is set to 'dominate' the local scene here, much like Jews have a lot of control, leeway, influence, power, etc, etc in North America.
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Reply #42 - Mar 20th, 2024 at 5:09pm
 
Muslims make what, 3% of the Australian population?  How are they going to "take over"?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #43 - Mar 20th, 2024 at 5:30pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 20th, 2024 at 1:09pm:
Muslims are instructed to support the laws of where they are situated, according to the Koran.


[quote]Question:
Some Muslim youth in the West do not believe it is important to avoid breaking the law in countries that are not the Khilafah.

Answer:
In the name of Allah, Most Compassionate, Most Merciful,

Muslims are generally obliged to abide by the laws of the land and the country they live in, whether it is a Islamic state (al-khilafa), Muslim countries, or non-Muslim countries such as those in the west, as long as they are not ordered to practice something that is against Shariah. If they are forced by the law to commit a sin, then in such a case, it will not just be unnecessary to abide by the law, rather impermissible.


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Can you cite this verse in the Quran that says muslims must obey the law in non muslim lands? I call bullshit on this. Wink
If you don't cite this verse we will all see your bullshit on this. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Muslims are allowed 4 wives under sharia does your link show they can have 4 wives as our laws go against sharia law?

There is no age limit for brides under sharia law does your link allow muslims to marry children as our laws go against sharia law?

All your link shows is muslims aren't supposed to follow our laws if they go against sharia law.

A bit of an own goal there Bwhine. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #44 - Mar 20th, 2024 at 5:35pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 20th, 2024 at 5:09pm:
Muslims make what, 3% of the Australian population?  How are they going to "take over"?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


When their numbers increase they will take over. They have done this in every country where they have the numbers.


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