Frank wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 10:56am:



no surprise Frank Spenser prefers fantasy over facts

Frank wrote on May 28^th, 2024 at 6:09pm:


Western civilisation is based on democracy and secularism. Religion does not play a role in the foundation of Western civilisation.

Frank wrote on May 30^th, 2024 at 1:40pm:


In the last 70-something years, "The West" includes Western European countries -- the countries that did not side with the Soviet Union. There is a grey area when it comes to labelling Central European countries, as they could go either way.

What is one of the features of Western civilisation? That they separate church and state. You have the right to attend church. You also have the right to not attend church. You also have a right to not have a religion.

There is also the concept of individualism in "The West". Democracy features heavily. That also goes well with diverse political structure. There are usually counterculture movements. And much of these features are heavily criticised or lacking in non-Western civilisations.

I mention the USA as a semi-Western society. They have a democracy -- but it is mainly one or the other (Democrat or Republican). There is a counterculture movement. But, due to the heavily conformist culture of the USA, individuality really comes down to the resolute nature of the person. And given that the USA is basically a religious fundamentalist society, secularism is overlooked -- "In god we trust" they say. The further north you go in the USA, the more likely you would see a more Western culture.

To answer your question, I have books on Western Civilisation. I have read enough on the topic to have the reasoning to question why you would include the church as part of the modern society.