https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/it-won-t-be-china-india-any-more-univers...

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needs to capitalise on the emerging African market

capitalise on the emerging African market

emerging African market

African market

what could possibly go wrong?

Jasin wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2023 at 10:35pm:


mate you are absolutely cracked get some meds ffs

you cretins all herald capitalism but then cry when it works 

JC Denton wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2023 at 10:28pm:


African countries are poor, education quality is low, corruption is everywhere.

African students who could afford full Australian fees would come from families of corrupt government officials or businesses who make their wealth from ruthless and corrupt exploitation of other Africans. No honest African family can spare $50-60k p.a. for 3-4 years to send a child to an Australian university.
Most Australian families couldn't.

theyll find a way

theres gonna be a projected 2.5 billion jungle bunnies this century, if you can get maybe 0.1% of them to migrate to join australia's incredible 'education export' economy doing dodgy RTOs and dodgy training courses (not necessarily just university degrees) that'll be a f_ckload of people

look at how many nepalese we have here now, i'd never have thought it possible; nepal isn't much wealthier than a lot of sub saharan africa in real terms

the plan often is for everyone in a family or extended family or village to finance one to come over and 'study' then that provides the beach-head for the chain migration process to begin

i agree they'll probably never get the volume they got with the subcons just bc ss-africa is cartoonishly poor in comparison (and probably always will be) but it's not implausible they'll try something

it's going to be a lot of fun

Belgarion wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2023 at 10:29am:


Up to a point, Lord Copper.

A small number of bright overseas students, yes.

But most students in some courses in NSW and Vic universities, like business, accounting, commerce, nursing, are non-English speaking international students. That is a disaster.
Like the bear hunter in the joke, they are not really here for the education.

Both sides of politics have screwed higher education rinse the Dawkins reforms under Labor 30 years ago. Elevating colleges of higher education to universities was a huge mistake, various uncapping of student numbers was another, a push for 40% of high school graduates to go to uni was another. Each expansion touted with the Blairite slogan of 'education, education, education' and was accompanied by limited funding, incommensurate with the expansion of uni places. The solution was more and more fee paying international students. Australian higher education policy became an immigration policy.

Most third world students cannot afford the fees and living expenses from their own family's resources so they must work in Australia, very often exploited ruthlessly by businesses run by their compatriots.  Housing conditions for many are atrocious, again, in the hands of unscrupulous compatriot landlords.

So 'international education' has screwed Australian university standards, employment and housing conditions.

Most overseas graduated are employed in lower level jobs than their qualification because despite 3-4 years at an Australian university they still do not have the English and socio-cultural skills to be employed at the level of their qualifications.

Would you rather drive to KFC?

freediver wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2023 at 11:23am:


It is hardly the point of a higher education policy to have food home delivered.

Working with Botswanans in the Medical Industry.
Found them very well educated and quality workers, extremely polite and well mannered. Educated in Botswana.
Botswana takes pride in its Education and doesn't have the usual 'political' crap to turn them into Americanised N*ig%%gers, etc.

Frank wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2023 at 11:35am:


Are you concerned for their grades?

JC Denton wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2023 at 11:36am:


Would you use a doctor who got his degree online?

Seems they import undesirables as their lecturers too

Bobby. wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2023 at 4:49pm:

I've had that happen with a white woman goober. Most likely just a trainee

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2023 at 4:09pm:


so what about all the ones that dont need to do their degree in actual physical meatspace i.e most of them? commerce students blah blah blah?

i did my sh1tty degree completely online, made no difference to absolutely anything

it isnt 1975 anymore gramps

also aus unis cant set up physical campuses in india either? that not possible? 


suddenly we're not such a globalised and electronically connected world after all when it comes to any opportunity to reduce importing as many browns as possible, it's weird how it always works out like that

how many of em would give a sh1t about australia's allegedly amazing universities if there wasnt the opportunity to work on the side and get PR afterwards? you reckon they'd still wanna study at our illustrious institutions if those things weren't on the table?

freediver wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2023 at 1:11pm:


Grades- absolutely.

Doctors - Australian medical education is probably the last bastion of no-compromise. So an Australian trained doctor is good. But there are many more overseas trained doctors who are sub-standard, both here and the UK and the rest of the West.

The Australian Nurses Registration Board, for example, does not accept an Australian Bachelor Degree as sufficient evidence of English language competence. In my view no Australian professional body should accept an Australian degree as proof of English proficiency. Everyone who has been near a university knows what a drag overseas students from third world countries are on quality. But filthy lucre goes a wrong way.


Codger explains UK situation. Australia is not the same for doctors because we don't have the same open door for Commonwealth citizens, but is the same for everyone else.

Frank wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2023 at 6:19pm:


Unless you're a  .........

https://www.sydney.edu.au/study/applying/admission-pathways/aboriginal-and-torre...

I wish you were as well, J.C.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... 

John Smith wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2023 at 5:39pm:



I was proving that I'm not racist  -
any medical student can butcher your arm when trying to take blood.

JC Denton wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2023 at 8:57pm:


Yes, where?

JC Denton wrote on Dec 24^th, 2023 at 8:08am:


Strange. You said you hadn't been back to Aussie Aussie Aussie for years and were glad to get out.

Too many snowflakes, remember?

One thing about being an Aussie, JC. No matter how far one roams, one still calls Australia home.

It doesn't matter how tinted one is, it's just the kind of chaps we are.

You pay your respects to the traditional custodians of the land, no?

JC Denton wrote on Dec 25^th, 2023 at 7:30am:


Yeah - Australia is pretty 'piss-poor' with anything.

Even the natives didn't put up much of a fight 200 years ago. They just stood around like Kangaroos while the Free Settlers with their American Right to own a gun, just shot them.
Bushfires are piss-poor compared to Volcanic 'Lava Flows'. Now can you see the Fireries like Mr January put them out with his big hose?
There really is SFA in natural wonder Tourism and what there is - is usually fenced off and banned from visitations and experiences.
Since 2000 - the immigration into this country has been 79% Darkies and only 21% Whities. Both Governments have been sexually weak and this is why I don't think Higgins was raped - Politics just can't get it up.
Piss-Poor Snow like a Stolen Seat in the Senate.
Piss-Poor Rain unless like a Caucus Spill for a flood.

Let's not mention the Women here either!
NEW Zealand women (Whities) breed like Rabbits and are sexually aggressive.
Australian women are 'LAME' and charge any man they have sex with as Rape or Sexual Assault.
Black Men are only allowed to 'breed', not White - because that's 'Racism' for you.

JC Denton wrote on Dec 24^th, 2023 at 8:08am:


Interesting character picture - I think in some ways we are all sad ghosts of what this nation once was...

Our people once were warriors, Jake - thrashed the Germans and the Japanese etc .... now they are worriers.... and not much else...and with good reason... The Sellout!!

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 25^th, 2023 at 9:50pm:


Oh, I know. Lost in Gallipoli, got creamed in Vietnam, then got our arses handed to us in Afghanistan - after our elite soldiers shot goatherders in ditches and pushed 16 year old kids off cliffs.

Once were warriors, innit.

You pay your respects to elders past, present and emerging, ya?

JC Denton wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2023 at 10:32am:



Krishna is one of hundreds of Nepalese men who are estimated to have signed up to fight alongside Russia in its war against Ukraine.

The men were lured by promises of more than $US2,000 ($3,000) a month and a fast-tracked pathway to Russian citizenship.

In Krishna's case, he said he was approached by a recruiter who promised him a job in Europe. But when he got to Moscow, he was told there was no work for him due to high snowfall during the northern hemisphere winter.

After three months, during which he became increasingly desperate, the recruiter suggested Krishna join the Russian military.

"We did realise we [made a] mistake. But the way we reached [Russia] and were tricked by the agent, we had no alternative," he said.

Despite Nepal's condemnation of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, the offer is attractive considering Nepal's struggling economy.

Statistics show one in five people live below the poverty line, youth unemployment is almost at 20 per cent, and an average of 1,500 young people leave Nepal every day to find jobs overseas — including in Russia.
https://amp.abc.net.au/article/103580652

They are not sending their best....

It is essentially a myth that international education is an export industry, notwithstanding its classification by the Australian Bureau of Statistics as such. Indeed, O’Neil has proudly declared “international education is our fourth largest export” and needs to be protected.

Exports are defined as goods and services produced in one country and sold to buyers in another.

With international education, the expectation was that students would convert their foreign currency to pay the fees and living expenses while studying here.

The reality is very different. While some initial fees may be paid from abroad, most international students work while studying to cover their living expenses and further fees.

This is not an export activity. We don’t count the entry of temporary workers as an export.
...

“That is, someone borrowed money five years ago, put it in a bank account to show they can pay the tuition, pay the tuition out of the bank account, but their work earnings are paying that loan off”, Babones said.

The practice was “absolutely routine” in India and Nepal for students to “game the financial requirements” by getting loans from family or even loan sharks years in advance to secure a visa, according to Prof Babones.

“Those funds are never coming to Australia,” he said.

Salvatore Babones noted similar in his recent book, “Australia’s universities, can they reform”:

“In reality, everyone (except perhaps the government and the universities) knew that many international students pay for their courses out of the proceeds of their work in-country, often working excessive hours under exploitative conditions, in violation of their visa terms”.

“This situation is especially common among South Asian students, and is reflected in the steep fall-off in South Asian student numbers when teaching moved online”.

“With prospective students unable to rely on employment income in Australia to support their studies, new commencements of Indian students at Australian higher education providers fell 65% between 2019 and 2021; for Nepali students, the decline was 37%; for Pakistanis, 45%; for Sri Lankans, 54%”.

“These countries are simply too poor to send large cohorts of international students to Australian universities based on family resources alone”.

“For many South Asian students, a student visa is a very expensive but thinly disguised work visa”.
https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2024/05/the-mask-comes-off-international-studen...

The universities present a formidable lobby in Canberra, however, and have vociferously fought other attempts at regulation, including on questions of tertiary education standards and even the safety of their students on campus.

They have adopted a Wall Street-style approach to their missions, paying exorbitant salaries to their leaders and gunning for eye-watering surpluses. They are interested principally in the protection of their global rankings, to which they tie their prospects of attracting future fee-payers.

The problem is only becoming more urgent. The recent explosion of artificial intelligence raises the stakes even further. A researcher at University College London recently found more than 1 per cent of all scientific articles published last year, some 60,000 papers, were likely written by a computer.

In some sectors, it's worse. Almost one out of every five computer science papers published in the past four years may not have been written by humans.
https://amp.abc.net.au/article/103868662

Frank wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2023 at 10:25am:


Africa has about 1.4 billion people on the continent ranging from all ethnicities. Australia has about 2 million millionaires out of the 26 million people here -- 11% of the adult population. Even if 0.1% of Africans are millionaires, they can afford to send 1.4 million students overseas. Australia is one place that is crying out for university students. Trust me, I know. I went to university in 1997, and the place was crowded with students. I am doing a university course now, and every time I go out there for a practical class or even for those student get together, there are about 1/4 of the number of students I see now compared to 1997.

Last time I looked at an Atlas, Egypt was in Africa, just as South Africa was.  Many Indians live in Africa as do many Chinese.  Guess what they all call themselves?  African.  Funny that, hey.  Your Racism is showing quite brightly there.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... 

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 1^st, 2024 at 10:08pm:

You are an ignorant idiot of rare occurrence.

Ghandi lived in Africa for 2 decades. He was never an African.


You multiculti morons hide behind your total ignorance of all cultures, including your own. Your ignorant stupidity is your unbreakable shield.

North Africans look more like Middle Eastern people than Caucasian.

JC Denton wrote on Jun 1^st, 2024 at 10:49pm:


Basically the same meaning.

Caucasians are European people who live west of the Caucasus. The origins of caucasians are primarily throughout Europe and western Asia, and even parts of northern Africa. But, I don't differentiate terminology between "caucasian" and "caucasoid".

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2024 at 1:25pm:


words have multiple meanings; caucasoid was often used in archaic terminology to refer to the entire west-eurasian population cluster, while caucasian more narrowly referred to europeans; today usually it refers to people indigenous to the caucasus mountains

you love pointless semantics don't you?

JC Denton wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2024 at 2:10pm:


I would say that it more your thing.

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2024 at 1:36pm:

So what do these words MEAN:

Aboriginal

Anglo Saxon, Celtic

White European

Black African

Arab

Well - when they drive the Jews out they'll need more money ... no balls left in these spheres of life - just arse-raising surrender monkeying... and outright victimisation of those who don't toe the line....

JC Denton wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2024 at 8:54pm:


Where do I claim that "dna proved someone to be european"?  Again, I ask for a direct quote where I said that.  You are inferring Racist beliefs that don't exist in anything I wrote.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... 

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2024 at 9:23pm:


white = european

synonymous concepts



you're not really all there are you?

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2024 at 10:18pm:


holy sh1t

white = indigenous european person


ffs

you literally said "dna proved someone to be white" which means that it identified them to be genetically an indigenous european person, part of the west-eurasian european population cluster more specifically. that is what it means and it runs contrary to the rest of the bullsh1t you post about human population groups

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2024 at 10:40pm:


'DNA proved them to be white',  white as used here is synonymous with 'indigenous european person', meaning DNA identified them to a person of european ancestry, demonstrating that human sub-populations (known in archaic terminology as 'races') do in fact exist, and can be ascertained on the basis of genetic evidence alone

though in the instance of the person you were referring to in the post, no DNA evidence did not prove them to be european because there was no DNA test actually taken, but the post you made completely contradicted your own b.s and was an obvious slip, that's why i keep bringing it up. it's a gotcha and more than anything demonstrates to me you have a very tenuous grasp of the points that you regurgitate mindlessly so often

that is the relevance of this ffs

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2024 at 4:11pm:

You mean DNA is totally irrelevant to the meaning of these words.

Yet you keep talking about DNA when talking about blacks, whites, aborigines as if DNA was relevant to understanding these markers.

Why ARE you so stupid, Bbwian?

no they arent, they largely mean what they always meant as genetic evidence has confirmed them to conceptually reflect the general understanding of what they were prior to what anyone knew what dna was

White people's ancestry is European, wherever they may be in the world.

This is totally obvious and unremarkable, like Aboriginals having ancesrors from pre1788 Australia.

Bbwiyawn is just playing silly old buggers, as always.

Homo erectus georgicus people lived in Georgia 1.8 million years ago. Should we start saying that modern humans also came from Eastern Europe?

Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 4:49pm:


Which is rather like the point I made several posts ago.  Soren would never, however admit that he once had black ancestors.   Tsk, tsk, tsk... 

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 5:56pm:


As every dim 13 year old schoolboy knows, it was not called 'Africa' before the Romans. Even the Romans did not mean the whole continent, only the bit west of Egypt, the defeated Carthaginian territories.
Africa is a European invention, like so much else. Tsk, tsk 


In any case, it is a specific race of people who get offended if you call them nigglers. Why? Because they know and you know exactly what you have noticed and what you are referring to.  And it's not their DNA, no matter how much silly old senile Bbwiyawn bangs on about 'indistinguishable by dna'.

You can call me a niggler and I won't get upset because I am obviously not one.  Was it Milan Kundera who nailed it: call a horse-face a dog-face and he will laugh with you. Call him a horse-face and he will hate you for the rest of his life.

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 6:11pm:

Silly old duffer, your balls have been nailed to the floor again.

Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 6:37pm:


Well, you ARE dimmer than a dim 13 year old schoolboy, my little Dutch African from the arse end of the arse end.