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Reply #135 - Sep 18th, 2024 at 9:34am
 
Paul Keating, Bob Carr and I [Gareth Evans]seem to have jangled a few security establishment nerves with our critique of the AUKUS submarine deal as having profound negative implications for Australia’s security and sovereignty.

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Our critique – much of which has either been misrepresented or ignored in these responses – has five basic elements.

One, there is zero certainty of the timely delivery of the eight AUKUS boats. Both the US and UK have explicit opt-out rights. Even in the wholly unlikely event that everything falls smoothly into place, we will be waiting 40 years for the last boat to arrive, posing real capability gap issues.

Two, even acknowledging the superior capability of nuclear-propelled submarines, making large assumptions about their continued detectability advantages, and accepting for the sake of argument the utility of “deterrence at a distance”, how useful will this eight-boat fleet actually be for Australia’s defence? When, given usual operating constraints, only two of them will be deployable across our vast maritime environment at any one time.

Third, even assuming the eye-watering cost of these boats is fiscally manageable, it will make much harder the acquisition of other capabilities – in particular, state-of-the-art missiles, aircraft and drones – arguably even more important than submarines for any kind of self-reliant capacity in meeting an invasion threat, were one ever to arise.

Four, the price now being demanded by the US for giving us access to its nuclear propulsion technology – achieving what is now described as fleet “interchangeability”, not just “interoperability” – has become indefensibly high.

The conversion of Stirling into a major base for a US Indian Ocean fleet will mean Perth now joining Pine Gap and the North West Cape, and probably the B-52 base Tindal, as a potential nuclear target. It is hard to conceive of Australia ever being a target of any kind of Chinese military attack, short of our being sucked into fighting alongside the US in a war not of our making, and manifestly not in our national interest. But that prospect is now very real, given the abdication of Australian sovereign agency inherent in the AUKUS decision as it has evolved.


Five, the purchase price we are now paying, for all its exorbitance, will never be enough to guarantee the absolute protective insurance that supporters of AUKUS think they are buying. ANZUS, it cannot be said too often, does not bind the US to defend Australia, even in the event of existential attack. We can rely on military support if the US sees it in its own national interest to offer it, but not otherwise.

The issue that most troubles me, Keating and Carr in all of this – and which most seems to enrage AUKUS defenders – is what we see as the loss of Australian sovereign independence that’s necessarily involved. Those who deny this is even an issue, such as Dean, or ignore it entirely, such as Blaxland, are simply defying reality. And those who accept the reality of our loss of sovereign agency, but actually applaud it as a price worth paying for our protection – such as Beazley, Dibb and Pezzullo – seem to have lost not only any sense of national pride, but of Australia’s national interest.
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Reply #136 - Sep 18th, 2024 at 9:36am
 
Dean makes the risible claim that I and my colleagues are “claiming an elaborate conspiracy theory” in “asking people to ignore the statements of their own government about us having control of these (submarine) capabilities”. Of course our government will insist that it retains control as to how these assets are used, as will always be the case on paper. But the reality, should serious tensions erupt, will be very different.

It defies credibility to think that Washington will ever go ahead with its sale of Virginias to us in the absence of an understanding that they will join the US in any fight in which it chooses to engage anywhere in our region, particularly over Taiwan. Are we all just meant to ignore Kurt Campbell’s indiscreet observation at the time of the AUKUS announcement that “we have them locked in now for the next 40 years”? I have had personal ministerial experience of being a junior allied partner of the US in a hot conflict situation – the first Gulf War in 1991 – and my recollections are not pretty.

Even more troubling is the uncritical acceptance by Beazley, Dibb and Pezzullo of the loss of sovereign agency, which they acknowledge, with varying degrees of frankness, is necessarily involved in our embrace of the AUKUS submarine project. Pezzullo goes so far as to cheer what he describes as “a ‘pooling of sovereignty’ in the face of a belligerent China”.

All this is not just depressing but sickening for all those Australians who have long nurtured the belief that we are a fiercely independent nation, ever more conscious of the need to engage constructively, creatively and sensitively with our own Indo-Pacific neighbourhood. And a country that had put behind us the “fear of abandonment”, which had been so central to our defence and diplomacy for so much of the last century: recognising, as Paul Keating continues to put it so articulately, that we need to find our security in Asia, not from Asia.

For all practical purposes, our AUKUS commitment may well now be irreversible. But so too is likely to be the judgment that this will prove one of the worst defence and foreign policy decisions Australia has ever made.

Gareth Evans was Australia’s foreign minister from 1988-96. He is a distinguished honorary professor at the ANU.
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Reply #137 - Sep 18th, 2024 at 2:34pm
 
So - a she'll be right attitude playing with lives of our service members.  WTF?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-17/taipan-helicopter-that-crashed-into-jervi...


A Defence air safety investigation has confirmed an Army Taipan helicopter
was flying without recommended modifications to its engine
before it crashed off the New South Wales south coast.


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Several defence force personnel were injured when the MRH-90 aircraft ditched in Jervis Bay during training manoeuvres in March 2023.


Update: "One Nation Senator Malcolm Roberts, who successfully pushed for a summary of the first crash investigation to be tabled, told Parliament the findings were damning.

"'Defence decided to keep flying the helicopters without the modified parts and eventually get around to it, while failing to consider and document the risk these things would lose engine during low-level flight because of this,' he said.

"Investigators failed to find evidence the army had conducted a safety risk assessment to determine the likelihood of an engine failure within its Taipan fleet. They also found the Jervis Bay crash would never have occurred had the Taipan fleet been fitted with the modified blades.

"Greens Senator David Shoebridge said there had been no accountability for the failings inside Defence.

"'Rather than senior officers being held to account, demoted or even sacked, what Defence did is literally shuffle the deck chairs, change the part of the organisation that undertakes this responsibility and just moved on,' he said."
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Reply #138 - Sep 18th, 2024 at 11:02pm
 
Frank,
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For all practical purposes, our AUKUS commitment may well now be irreversible.
But so too is likely to be the judgment that this will prove one of the worst
defence and foreign policy decisions Australia has ever made.


I agree.
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Reply #139 - Sep 19th, 2024 at 8:24am
 
‘Draw your sword’: China releases video of PLA jet harassing RAAF plane

Nationalistic Chinese have mocked an Australian air force pilot and claimed Beijing had cowed the Albanese government after China’s national broadcaster released rare footage of what appeared to be the People’s Liberation Army Air Force harassing an RAAF plane in a tense encounter over the South China Sea.
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Previously neither the Chinese or Australian governments had released footage of the encounter, which took place in 2022, weeks after Anthony Albanese became prime minister.

The footage featured in the second episode of a six part documentary made by China’s national broadcaster to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the founding of the Communist Party’s army, the PLA, in 2027.

In publicity for the show, CCTV said it had been created to “educate and inspire” Chinese soldiers to follow “Xi Jinping’s Thought on Strengthening the Army”. China’s leader has made achieving a “world-class army”, a key priority during his 12 years in power.

Australia was not named in the show, but widespread reports on China’s internet said the footage was of the infamous 2022 encounter that Defence Minister Richard Marles described as “very dangerous” in some of his first comments after being sworn into his portfolio.

Beijing has told Canberra to keep away from water and air near China, as it tries to push back on military operations by American allies in its near neighbourhood.

The documentary gave a public airing to what is often kept behind closed doors. “You must draw your sword when you meet the enemy,” the Chinese pilot in the encounter said in the documentary.

The incident is one of a number of fraught exchanges between China’s military and Australian forces that have taken place even as the diplomatic relationship between the two countries has modestly improved.

Opposition foreign affairs spokesman Simon Birmingham said the CCTV broadcast was an “unacceptable glorification of unacceptable military conduct” and condemned the “timidity” of the government’s response.

“There has been too much timidity on the part of the Prime Minister in particular,” Senator Birmingham said.

He said he was concerned the propaganda video described the Australian pilot as an “enemy” and called on the government to make strong representations to China “at ministerial level”.

Many Chinese cheered the release of the footage of the PLA fighter jet swerving around the “foreign” fighter and releasing aluminium chaff into the “enemy’s” engine. Online commentators gloated at a previous disclosure by the Australian government that the RAAF pilot had received psychological counselling after the encounter.

“Western pilots, accustomed to being domineering, had never experienced a powerful blow, and therefore developed psychological problems,” said one.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/draw-your-sword-china-releases-video-of-p...


Imagine if an Australian fighter jet harassed  Chinese plane like this in an international zone.  The Chicoms are two faced, double dealing buggers. 
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Reply #140 - Sep 19th, 2024 at 12:16pm
 
Thanks Frank,
the Chinese are irresponsible and also bullies.
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Reply #141 - Sep 19th, 2024 at 12:55pm
 
Frank wrote on Sep 19th, 2024 at 8:24am:
‘Draw your sword’: China releases video of PLA jet harassing RAAF plane

Nationalistic Chinese have mocked an Australian air force pilot and claimed Beijing had cowed the Albanese government after China’s national broadcaster released rare footage of what appeared to be the People’s Liberation Army Air Force harassing an RAAF plane in a tense encounter over the South China Sea.
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Previously neither the Chinese or Australian governments had released footage of the encounter, which took place in 2022, weeks after Anthony Albanese became prime minister.

The footage featured in the second episode of a six part documentary made by China’s national broadcaster to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the founding of the Communist Party’s army, the PLA, in 2027.

In publicity for the show, CCTV said it had been created to “educate and inspire” Chinese soldiers to follow “Xi Jinping’s Thought on Strengthening the Army”. China’s leader has made achieving a “world-class army”, a key priority during his 12 years in power.

Australia was not named in the show, but widespread reports on China’s internet said the footage was of the infamous 2022 encounter that Defence Minister Richard Marles described as “very dangerous” in some of his first comments after being sworn into his portfolio.

Beijing has told Canberra to keep away from water and air near China, as it tries to push back on military operations by American allies in its near neighbourhood.

The documentary gave a public airing to what is often kept behind closed doors. “You must draw your sword when you meet the enemy,” the Chinese pilot in the encounter said in the documentary.

The incident is one of a number of fraught exchanges between China’s military and Australian forces that have taken place even as the diplomatic relationship between the two countries has modestly improved.

Opposition foreign affairs spokesman Simon Birmingham said the CCTV broadcast was an “unacceptable glorification of unacceptable military conduct” and condemned the “timidity” of the government’s response.

“There has been too much timidity on the part of the Prime Minister in particular,” Senator Birmingham said.

He said he was concerned the propaganda video described the Australian pilot as an “enemy” and called on the government to make strong representations to China “at ministerial level”.

Many Chinese cheered the release of the footage of the PLA fighter jet swerving around the “foreign” fighter and releasing aluminium chaff into the “enemy’s” engine. Online commentators gloated at a previous disclosure by the Australian government that the RAAF pilot had received psychological counselling after the encounter.

“Western pilots, accustomed to being domineering, had never experienced a powerful blow, and therefore developed psychological problems,” said one.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/draw-your-sword-china-releases-video-of-p...


Imagine if an Australian fighter jet harassed  Chinese plane like this in an international zone.  The Chicoms are two faced, double dealing buggers. 




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https://www.sbs.com.au/news/video/china-releases-military-video-showing-dangerou...



What does our very own 'Defence  MRB correspondent and moderator" think?

Same as always: Tsk, tsk  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes and a yawn.

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Reply #142 - Sep 19th, 2024 at 8:22pm
 
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-19/defence-adf-sexual-harassment-violence-po...


Rape in the ADF -



At ADFA in 2023, women were almost seven times more likely to say they had been subject to sexual harassment than men, with 13 per cent of women saying they'd experienced it.

The survey found at RANC, men and women were similarly likely to be harassed overall but women were almost five times more likely to be sexually harassed, with 14 per cent reporting it had happened to them.

At RANRS, OTS and RMC-Duntroon women said they were sexually harassed at five times the rate of men in their institutions.

Trust in their senior colleagues to handle matters sensitively and confidentially was a key issue listed by those who chose not to come forward with official complaints.

Women training at Duntroon had significantly less faith in management to handle these issues effectively than their male colleagues did.

While rates remain high at a number of training locations, there is some progress being made.

At ADFA, rates of sexual harassment reported to the survey have dropped from 36 per cent to 13 per cent between 2021 and 2023.

At Duntroon, it went from 27 per cent to 10 per cent during that time.
'When I was deployed to Iraq I was issued a rape whistle …
one of our biggest threats was being raped on base.'
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Reply #143 - Sep 19th, 2024 at 10:42pm
 

What kind of sex maniac halfwits are we employing in the Australian Defence Force? -

they can't keep their cocks inside their trousers -

they should shoot them by firing squad after a court martial.

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Reply #144 - Sep 19th, 2024 at 10:46pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2024 at 10:42pm:
What kind of sex maniac halfwits are we employing in the Australian Defence Force? -

they can't keep their cocks inside their trousers -

they should shoot them by firing squad after a court martial.



they promise them that to entice them to join. it doesn't matter if canon fodder is a rapist.
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Reply #145 - Sep 19th, 2024 at 10:47pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 19th, 2024 at 10:46pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2024 at 10:42pm:
What kind of sex maniac halfwits are we employing in the Australian Defence Force? -

they can't keep their cocks inside their trousers -

they should shoot them by firing squad after a court martial.



they promise them that to entice them to join. it doesn't matter if canon fodder is a rapist.



But would you send a daughter to join the ADF?
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Reply #146 - Oct 6th, 2024 at 3:29pm
 
wow - diversity, equity and inclusion. WTF?

NZ navy ship sinks while commanded by carpet muncher.



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https://x.com/captivedreamer7/status/1842716785541558508

Competency Crisis? New Zealand Naval ship HMNZS Manawanui runs around off Samoa and sinks -
lesbian Yvonne Gray's first command after resettling with her "wife" in NZ in 2012

https://www.contactairlandandsea.com/2024/10/06/hmnzs-manawanui-hits-reef-and-si...


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HMNZS Manawanui hits reef and sinks off Samoa


06/10/2024

Royal New Zealand Navy Ship HMNZS Manawanui hit a reef off the southern coast of Upolu, Samoa, on Saturday evening while the ship was conducting a reef survey.

FILE PHOTO (July 2020): HMNZS Manawanui at sea for the first time under Royal New Zealand Navy Control, in the Hauraki Gulf. NZDF photo.

Photos circulating on social media today show the ship listing heavily and emitting smoke.

New Zealand Maritime Component Commander Commodore Shane Arndell said all crew and passengers from the ship were rescued in the early hours of Sunday morning.

“The 75 crew and passengers on board HMNZS Manawanui have made it to safety in Samoa and are being supported in Samoa or on supporting vessels,” Commodore Arndell said.

“The 75 left the ship in life rafts and sea boats after the ship grounded.

“New Zealand Defence Force worked closely with Maritime New Zealand’s Rescue Coordination Centre (RCCNZ) which coordinated rescue efforts.

“Several vessels responded and assisted in rescuing crew and passengers.

“A Royal New Zealand Air Force P-8A Poseidon was also deployed.”

Commodore Arndell said the incident occurred on Saturday evening while conducting a hydrographic survey 1 nautical mile from shore.

“The 75 crew and passengers began evacuating into lifeboats at 7.52 pm on Saturday 5 October,” he said.

“Rescuers battled currents and winds that were pushing the life rafts and sea boats toward the reefs, and swells made the rescue effort particularly challenging.

“We are very grateful for the assistance of everyone involved, from RCCNZ who coordinated rescue efforts, to the vessels which responded and took our crew and passengers from Manawanui to safety.

“At this stage the exact cause of the grounding is unknown and this will need further investigation.

“At 6.40am Sunday, the ship was listing heavily and smoke was visible from the ship.

At 9am it was known to have capsized and was below the surface.

“NZDF is working with authorities to understand the implications and minimise the environmental impacts.”

https://www.asiaone.com/world/new-zealand-navy-ship-sinks-samoa-all-75-onboard-s...
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Reply #147 - Oct 7th, 2024 at 11:54pm
 
"When I’ve really enjoyed a job it’s because I’ve made a difference, where things are a little bit better than they were before. With Manawanui, it’s not just about the command. This is an opportunity to take a ship still in its infancy and further the capability of that ship, and influence and help those who carry our Navy into the future."

https://www.nzdf.mil.nz/media-centre/news/yorkshire-woman-takes-command-of-royal...


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Reply #148 - Oct 8th, 2024 at 11:01pm
 
SAMOA — Lesbian naval commander Yvonne Gray reportedly crashed the HMNZS Manawanui into a coral reef shortly after insisting that ships don't have to go into ports.

"Ships in ports is old-fashioned thinking," Captain Gray said, according to the ship's log. "As long as I'm captain, this ship will never dock at a port ever again. Ports are for ports and ships are for ships."

Despite attempts by the first officer to undermine her command by warning that crashing into a coral reef could damage the ship beyond repair, Captain Gray stood firm against the obvious mansplaining by her crew.

"I am a woman!" the log records her saying. "And I'm a lesbian!  I can do anything a man can do — "

The HMNZS Manawanui, a survey and dive vessel, then crashed into a coral reef where it promptly caught fire and sank. Fortunately, the crew was rescued after Captain Gray heroically called for help.

Though the crew is safe, an oil spill from the ship is believed to have irreversibly harmed the ecosystem, killing thousands of fish and setting back Samoa's tourism for decades. Captain Gray says she is proud to be the first lesbian responsible for an oil spill.

The prime minister of New Zealand proudly announced that Captain Gray would be given the rank of Admiral and put in command of the five remaining ships in their fleet.

At publishing time, Captain Yvonne Gray was heralded as a hero and awarded the Navy Cross for showing extraordinary perseverance in the face of mansplaining.
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