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Re: Islam is the cause of the conflict
Reply #90 - May 1st, 2024 at 8:54pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 8:07pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 30th, 2024 at 2:10pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 30th, 2024 at 1:42pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 30th, 2024 at 12:57pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 30th, 2024 at 12:56pm:
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thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 29th, 2024 at 6:33pm:
goosecat wrote on Apr 29th, 2024 at 6:09pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 29th, 2024 at 6:00pm:
I think we have to accept 'God'† can grant free will to men, without God knowing the outcome.

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How can an all knowing God, whom genuinely knows everything before during and after, exist without knowing every decision before you make it?


Yes, that's a contradiction.



Without God knowing the outcome you say. How can an all knowing god not know? It's more likely IMHO, the ever expanding "Universe" and it's various "Unknowns" apply to all. including "God". Nothing, knows everything and indeed for "Free Will" to truly exist, must be the case.


Yes, that's what I said.

But a struggle between† good and evil is very real, perhaps the creator god has his eye on it, without knowing the outcome. ...


Is the party responsible for starving 50 million of their own people to death on the side of good or evil?


Responsibility under† Mao, yes.

'Good and evil' in this case is more like the loss of life in an earthquake or tornado - except rather than being an 'act of God' (sic) , it was an unintended consequence of the Party's collectivist policy.†

As opposed to the evil of the† IDF's revenge-driven genocide in Gaza, in an ongoing conflict based on the bungled Partition of Palestine.†


When did the CCP stop being evil?


Low IQ, or poor comprehension skills? Read the post again.

But for your ideological-crippled, low IQ brain, the answer to that question is: the CCP† stopped being "evil"† from Deng on.

Unlike the revenge-driven, genocidal IDF, ever since the botched partition of Palestine.


So the CCP starving 50 million people to death with an administrative error is an act of God, not and act of people, and therefor cannot be described as either good or evil?


Crippled comprehension from an ideologically crippled brain.†

Here it is again:

Responsibility under† Mao, yes.


We agree Mao was responsible for his collective agricultural-policy disaster in the 60's.†

'Good and evil' in this case is more like the loss of life in an earthquake or tornado - except rather than being an 'act of God' (sic) , it was an unintended consequence of the Party's collectivist policy.†


Note : my text read "except rather than being an act of God"

NOT† your reading† "is an act of god".

You can't even read what was written, perhaps neither low IQ or fraudulent, just afraid to deal with the argument and misreadig it.† †


As opposed to the evil of the† IDF's revenge-driven genocide in Gaza, in an ongoing conflict based on the bungled Partition of Palestine.†


Now...that IS evil...



So the CCP is not evil because they did not intend to starve 50 million people to death, they merely failed to care enough to stop it?

Suppose you built a robot to take people's hats off and set it loose, and it walked up to the first person and removed their head, and you said "whoops, that's an administrative error," then stepped over that corpse and followed it round and said that another 50 million times, once for each head it removed.

Would that be evil, or 'merely' an unintended consequence?
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Re: Islam is the cause of the conflict
Reply #91 - May 1st, 2024 at 9:21pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 7:50pm:
Frank wrote on Apr 30th, 2024 at 9:30pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 30th, 2024 at 12:43pm:
goosecat wrote on Apr 29th, 2024 at 7:21pm:
I think the struggle between "good"and "evil" in as much as the words are constructs of our own making is as debatable as the very definitions one might apply to each word.



Morality, justice and fairness - we all agree these concepts are attractive, yes?


All about INDIVIDUAL responsibility.† They are not merely† 'attractive' parrot, you are not in a shop.


(Sigh, the patience I need to enlighten Frank).

Morality, justice and fairness - human constructs - exist whether individuals are responsible or not, or whether individuals are survival of the fittest ideologues/goons† or not.† †



See??

You do not understand even your own parroting.

Human construct = individuals are responsible.

There is no 'or not' if something is a human construct. 


Anyway, saying that something is a social construct is not saying anything terribly illuminating since every aspect of social life, from history, morality, justice, common prosperity, the CCP, Marxism and all the rest of it are all human constructs.

Morality requires freedom since morality is about freely chosen conduct. That is why animals are not moral or immoral or amoral. They are not free to choose the moral good or justice or fairness.


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Reply #92 - May 1st, 2024 at 9:22pm
 
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Islam is the cause of the conflict


Islam gets the blame if you guys burn your toast in the morning.
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Re: Islam is the cause of the conflict
Reply #94 - May 1st, 2024 at 9:24pm
 
Dnarever wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 9:22pm:
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Islam is the cause of the conflict


Islam gets the blame if you guys burn your toast in the morning.

Insh'allah.

It's all according to Allah's will, duckwit.
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Re: Islam is the cause of the conflict
Reply #95 - May 1st, 2024 at 9:54pm
 
Frank wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 9:24pm:
Dnarever wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 9:22pm:
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Islam is the cause of the conflict


Islam gets the blame if you guys burn your toast in the morning.

Insh'allah.

It's all according to Allah's will, duckwit.


Never thought you'd be a willing servant of God, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Islam is the cause of the conflict
Reply #96 - May 1st, 2024 at 9:58pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 9:54pm:
Frank wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 9:24pm:
Dnarever wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 9:22pm:
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Islam is the cause of the conflict


Islam gets the blame if you guys burn your toast in the morning.

Insh'allah.

It's all according to Allah's will, duckwit.


Never thought you'd be a willing servant of God, Soren.† Tsk, tsk, tsk...† Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


According to Islam everything that happens is Allahs will including burnt toast.

I don't know why people stick up for this flat earth belief

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.
 
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Re: Islam is the cause of the conflict
Reply #97 - May 1st, 2024 at 10:01pm
 
Frank wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 9:24pm:
Dnarever wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 9:22pm:
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Islam is the cause of the conflict


Islam gets the blame if you guys burn your toast in the morning.

Insh'allah.

It's all according to Allah's will, duckwit.


No N Furter - it's your cheap toaster.
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Re: Islam is the cause of the conflict
Reply #98 - May 1st, 2024 at 10:23pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 9:58pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 9:54pm:
Frank wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 9:24pm:
Dnarever wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 9:22pm:
Quote:
Islam is the cause of the conflict


Islam gets the blame if you guys burn your toast in the morning.

Insh'allah.

It's all according to Allah's will, duckwit.


Never thought you'd be a willing servant of God, Soren.† Tsk, tsk, tsk...† Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


According to Islam everything that happens is Allahs will including burnt toast.

I don't know why people stick up for this flat earth belief


Exactly.  Allah WILLS your toast to be burnt.  Neither the toast nor you have ANY say in the matter.

Bbwian is ISLAMOPHOBIC to even THINK it's a joke. Tsk, tsk  Angry Angry
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Re: Islam is the cause of the conflict
Reply #99 - May 1st, 2024 at 10:25pm
 
Frank wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 9:21pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 7:50pm:
Frank wrote on Apr 30th, 2024 at 9:30pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 30th, 2024 at 12:43pm:
goosecat wrote on Apr 29th, 2024 at 7:21pm:
I think the struggle between "good"and "evil" in as much as the words are constructs of our own making is as debatable as the very definitions one might apply to each word.



Morality, justice and fairness - we all agree these concepts are attractive, yes?


All about INDIVIDUAL responsibility.† They are not merely† 'attractive' parrot, you are not in a shop.


(Sigh, the patience I need to enlighten Frank).

Morality, justice and fairness - human constructs - exist whether individuals are responsible or not, or whether individuals are survival of the fittest ideologues/goons† or not.† †



See??

You do not understand even your own parroting.


Well let's see if you can enlighten me....

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Human construct = individuals are responsible.


Oh dear. Human construct means invented by humans, ie humans are "responsible for"† the construct, NOT that humans will take responsibility to ensure morality justice and fairness, in the affairs of men.†

You have made the simple-minded mistake of confusing and conflating two different usages of the word 'responsible'.

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There is no 'or not' if something is a human construct.


You error identified, above. †

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Anyway, saying that something is a social construct is not saying anything terribly illuminating since every aspect of social life, from history, morality, justice, common prosperity, the CCP, Marxism and all the rest of it are all human constructs.


Wrong again: nature's slaughterhouse, emulated† by humans since the beginning of time,† is not a† human construct, it is the law of the jungle emulated by humans.†

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Morality requires freedom since morality is about freely chosen conduct.


..part of the posited progress in human "consciousness of freedom"; but why are men still slaughtering one another in insane wars?† †

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That is why animals are not moral or immoral or amoral. They are not free to choose the moral good or justice or fairness.


At last,† a correct statement from you. †


But men....?
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Re: Islam is the cause of the conflict
Reply #100 - May 1st, 2024 at 10:36pm
 
Allah is responsible for all t the burnt toasts of the world.

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Reply #101 - May 1st, 2024 at 10:42pm
 
Frank wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 10:36pm:
Allah is responsible for all t the burnt toasts of the world.


I'm afraid that's what is known as 'blame shifting', see my previous post. 
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Re: Islam is the cause of the conflict
Reply #102 - May 1st, 2024 at 10:51pm
 
Christians against Jews
Moslems against Christians
Now Jews against Moslems.

3 Blind Mice chasing each other's tails.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #103 - May 2nd, 2024 at 11:10am
 
Jasin wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 10:51pm:
Christians against Jews
Moslems against Christians
Now Jews against Moslems.

3 Blind Mice chasing each other's tails.† Roll Eyes


Yes. I like Graps' solution for Jerusalem (...!....) ie, a 'world city' in which the 3 religions live in peace -† actually UN res 181, believe it or not...

But it's too advanced for men who still insist on the "right" (and are granted the 'right' by UNUDHR article 18)† to believe that the Jewish saviour is yet to appear (Jesus was rejected by Jews); that Jesus is God whose kingdom will be established when Jesus returns† (according to Christians - especially the US Christian RW); and that M is the messenger of God, whose Koranic revelation will establish the univeral Islamic† Caliphate.


Time for the UNGA to look at the implications of† the "right" to "freedom of religion".


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Re: Islam is the cause of the conflict
Reply #104 - May 4th, 2024 at 4:45pm
 
Of course Islam is the cause of the conflict worldwide.

How many Muslims are under permanent police protection in the West because of death threats against them by Christians, Jews, atheists?
Zero.

How many non-Muslim have been under under police protection in the West because of death threats against them by Muslims?
Many.

How many imams in the West have been beheaded, stabbed by non-Muslims?
Zero

How many priestsand teachers in the West have been beheaded, stabbed by Muslims?
Many

What is the reason for such differences?
Islam



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