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Reply #15 - Aug 29th, 2023 at 3:45pm
 
The fact of the mater is that the pressure changes resulting from from gases released into the atmosphere are negligible when the entirety of global warming causes is considered.

The senator is a crackpot.


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Reply #16 - Aug 29th, 2023 at 4:10pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2023 at 3:33pm:
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Seeing as the atmosphere is finite


What do you mean by that?



Exactly what I said. Do you disagree? If so, why?
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Reply #17 - Aug 29th, 2023 at 4:11pm
 
Linus wrote on Aug 29th, 2023 at 3:45pm:
The fact of the mater is that the pressure changes resulting from from gases released into the atmosphere are negligible when the entirety of global warming causes is considered.


And yet it is considered im portant enough to be a part of the climate models. Roll Eyes
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Reply #18 - Aug 29th, 2023 at 4:31pm
 
lee wrote on Aug 29th, 2023 at 4:11pm:
Linus wrote on Aug 29th, 2023 at 3:45pm:
The fact of the mater is that the pressure changes resulting from from gases released into the atmosphere are negligible when the entirety of global warming causes is considered.


And yet it is considered im portant enough to be a part of the climate models. Roll Eyes


Which doesn't change the fact that pressure from gases released into the atmosphere are negligible when it comes to AGW.


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Reply #19 - Aug 29th, 2023 at 5:35pm
 
lee wrote on Aug 29th, 2023 at 4:10pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2023 at 3:33pm:
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Seeing as the atmosphere is finite


What do you mean by that?



Exactly what I said. Do you disagree? If so, why?


I would have to know what you mean in order to disagree with you.

Do you agree with the LNP senator that climate change theory is based on released gasses compressing the atmosphere into a fixed volume?

lee wrote on Aug 29th, 2023 at 4:11pm:
Linus wrote on Aug 29th, 2023 at 3:45pm:
The fact of the mater is that the pressure changes resulting from from gases released into the atmosphere are negligible when the entirety of global warming causes is considered.


And yet it is considered im portant enough to be a part of the climate models. Roll Eyes


The ideal gas equation is used. The Senator's theory that released gasses are heating the atmosphere by compressing it into a fixed volume is not used.
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Reply #20 - Aug 29th, 2023 at 5:48pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2023 at 5:35pm:
Do you agree with the LNP senator that climate change theory is based on released gasses compressing the atmosphere into a fixed volume?



What part of "is not to say his model is correct, it is just one of many", didn't you understand? Roll Eyes

freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2023 at 5:35pm:
The Senator's theory that released gasses are heating the atmosphere by compressing it into a fixed volume is not used.


In any model?

"The problem with AGW theory in relation to the Ideal Gas Law.

AGW theory proposes that an increase in GHGs causes an increase in T which then causes an equal increase in V so as to keep the two sides of the equation balanced.

So far so plausible.

However, an increase in V results in a reduction of density throughout an atmosphere which must REDUCE the product of nRT.

Normally a reduction in density would be accompanied by a reduction in P as well because less mass in an atmosphere results in reduced pressure at the surface if the strength of the gravitational field stays the same but there is no reduction in P at the surface from mere expansion even though the density of the entire atmosphere reduces when V increases.

Therefore we cannot look to a reduction in P to correct the imbalance caused by the reduction in density.

According to the Ideal Gas Law it is not possible for PV to fail to equal nRT yet that is just what happens if one holds P steady whilst increasing T and V equally but reducing density.

There would only be balance with PV continuing to equal nRT :

if more mass were added to the atmosphere so as to avoid reducing the average density of the atmosphere when expansion occurred.

or, if the strength of the gravitational field increases to pull V back down to restore density to the previous value

Since no extra mass or gravity is being added AGW theory cannot be right because of the residual imbalance."

https://www.newclimatemodel.com/greenhouse-gases-and-the-ideal-gas-law/
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Reply #21 - Aug 29th, 2023 at 5:50pm
 
Obviously the Senator's version is based on this crackpot theory. But he is not merely claiming to have disproved his own nuttiness.

Do you agree with the LNP senator that mainstream climate change theory is based on released gasses compressing the atmosphere into a fixed volume?
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Reply #22 - Aug 29th, 2023 at 5:54pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2023 at 5:50pm:
Do you agree with the LNP senator that mainstream climate change theory is based on released gasses compressing the atmosphere into a fixed volume?



Oh a walkback. Now it is MAINSTREAM climate science. With the MAINSTREAM  models, which are a MAINSTREAM failure. The only model close is the Russian one, and that doesn't have a tropospheric hotspot.

But no, MAINSTREAM climate science doesn't posit that. Which doesn't make it wrong...or right. Roll Eyes
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Reply #23 - Aug 29th, 2023 at 5:59pm
 
lee wrote on Aug 29th, 2023 at 3:24pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2023 at 2:23pm:
He thinks we are heating up the earth's atmosphere by compressing it.

Seeing as the atmosphere is finite, surely increasing gases will increase pressure...

Nope.  The Earth's atmosphere is not "finite" in the sense
of it being bounded by some invisible barrier.  The actual
altitude of the various layers of our atmosphere varies
every day in every global location.

You can't "compress" something—like air—that's
unbounded.    Gerard Rennick is a moron.

I checked up on Rennick's record, and it's a laughable one,
similar in a lot of ways to the American Republican's,
IE: total nutjobs.

•  Rennick supprts the anti-abortion group, 'Cherish Life';

•  Claims overreach in the "classroom and the bedroom" is a
   "Communist takeover" by the bureaucracy;

•  Immigration is "more damaging" to Australia's environment
   than atmospheric carbon pollution;

•  He advocates "closer ties" with Russia;

•  Rennick called superannuation a "cancer";

•  Claims that COVID vaccines amounted to "experimenting"
   on children;

•  Is a a climate change denialist;

•  Donated $35,000 to the Liberal National Party (LNP) before
   winning(!) the third place on the party's Senate ticket
   for the 2019 federal election.


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Reply #24 - Aug 29th, 2023 at 6:05pm
 
lee wrote on Aug 29th, 2023 at 5:54pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2023 at 5:50pm:
Do you agree with the LNP senator that mainstream climate change theory is based on released gasses compressing the atmosphere into a fixed volume?



Oh a walkback. Now it is MAINSTREAM climate science. With the MAINSTREAM  models, which are a MAINSTREAM failure. The only model close is the Russian one, and that doesn't have a tropospheric hotspot.

But no, MAINSTREAM climate science doesn't posit that. Which doesn't make it wrong...or right. Roll Eyes


Sorry for the "walkback". I thought it would fall into the category of the bleeding obvious.

Do you agree with the LNP senator that mainstream climate change theory is based on released gasses compressing the atmosphere into a fixed volume?
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Reply #25 - Aug 29th, 2023 at 6:09pm
 
AusGeoff wrote on Aug 29th, 2023 at 5:59pm:
The Earth's atmosphere is not "finite" in the sense of it being bounded by some invisible barrier.


You mean like gravity?

"Because of Earth's gaseous gifts to space, our planet — or, to be specific, the atmosphere — is shrinking, according to Guillaume Gronoff, a senior research scientist who studies atmospheric escape at NASA's Langley Research Center in Virginia. However, we're not shrinking by much, he said."

https://www.livescience.com/is-earth-expanding-or-shrinking
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Reply #26 - Aug 29th, 2023 at 6:11pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2023 at 6:05pm:
Do you agree with the LNP senator that mainstream climate change theory is based on released gasses compressing the atmosphere into a fixed volume?



Wow. Thick as...

lee wrote on Aug 29th, 2023 at 5:54pm:
But no, MAINSTREAM climate science doesn't posit that.



lee wrote on Aug 29th, 2023 at 5:54pm:
Which doesn't make it wrong...or right.



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Reply #27 - Aug 29th, 2023 at 6:18pm
 
Lee would it be fair to say that the LNP senator's theories are so nutty that even the lunatic fringe of OzPolitic's climate "skeptics" are afraid to agree with him?
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Reply #28 - Aug 29th, 2023 at 7:17pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2023 at 6:18pm:
Lee would it be fair to say that the LNP senator's theories are so nutty that even the lunatic fringe of OzPolitic's climate "skeptics" are afraid to agree with him?



Wow. Now you want me to work out what other sceptics think. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

I see the garudian even got Mike "Hide the decline" Mann into the argument. Along with Steve Sherwood. They really must be hard up. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

How much did Rennick calculate, the garudian carefully didn't say. How much is the mainstream climate science predicting? I have seen an ECS from about 1.2 to 7.0C, although the IPCC says from 2.5 to 4C. Wink

Edit: From the underlying 2021 paper -

"We show that independent satellite and in situ observations each yield statistically indistinguishable decadal increases in EEI from mid-2005 to mid-2019 of 0.50 ± 0.47 W m−2 decade−1 (5%–95% confidence interval). "

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2021GL093047

The error bars are nearly as big as the posited increase. Wink
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Reply #29 - Aug 29th, 2023 at 8:34pm
 
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Wow. Now you want me to work out what other sceptics think.


I told you what he thinks. I merely asked if you agree. You happily adopt every other crackpot theory you can find on the internet. Why not one endorsed by the Liberal National Party of QLD? Or are they too nutty for you?
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