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Reply #15 - Jul 18^th, 2023 at 8:25pm

lee wrote on Jul 18^th, 2023 at 7:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 18^th, 2023 at 6:27pm:

Are you saying it's 100% recyclable?

Nope. But it is low level radiation which usually has a short half life.

"The wastes generated at nuclear power plants are rather low in activity and the radionuclides contained therein have a low radiotoxicity and usually a short half-life. "

https://www.iaea.org/sites/default/files/publications/magazines/bulletin/bull31-...

A half life is still thousands of years.

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A very large container ship can carry about 20000 TEU so that's about 15 container ships, but we're talking 100k years of waste

And your talking one plant. If everyone in the developed world went nuclear how many ships is that? Will we need bigger oceans for those ships? Cheesy

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 73992 Gender:	Re: Bowen Attacks Dutton As Alternative PM Reply #16 - Jul 18^th, 2023 at 8:27pm And let's not forget, currently only about 30% of nuclear waste is recycled. When you account for the 70% that doesn't that 15 ships quickly builds up
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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20449 Gordon Gender:	Re: Bowen Attacks Dutton As Alternative PM Reply #17 - Jul 18^th, 2023 at 8:52pm Why would anyone even consider a nuclear plant to be in operation for 100000 years?
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Reply #18 - Jul 18^th, 2023 at 9:04pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 18^th, 2023 at 8:25pm:

A half life is still thousands of years.

For which radioactive isotope?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_radioactive_nuclides_by_half-life

Edit: "The main wastes arising during the operation of a
nuclear power plant are components which are removed
during refuelling or maintenance (mainly activated
solids, e.g. stainless steel containing cobalt-60 and
nickel-63) or operational wastes such as radioactive
liquids, filters, and ion-exchange resins which are con-
taminated with fission products from circuits containing
liquid coolant."

ibid

Cobalt-60 half life 5 years
Nickel-63 half lihe 100 years.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 73992 Gender:	Re: Bowen Attacks Dutton As Alternative PM Reply #19 - Jul 19^th, 2023 at 6:59am lee wrote on Jul 18^th, 2023 at 9:04pm: For which radioactive isotope? Plutonium ... half life of 24 000 yrs Gordon wrote on Jul 18^th, 2023 at 8:52pm: Why would anyone even consider a nuclear plant to be in operation for 100000 years? vying for the idiot of the year award are you turdie?
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 45884 Gender:	Re: Bowen Attacks Dutton As Alternative PM Reply #20 - Jul 19^th, 2023 at 9:08am Vying? The slimy grub is mounting the podium to get his prize.
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Reply #21 - Jul 19^th, 2023 at 10:28am

John Smith wrote on Jul 18^th, 2023 at 8:27pm:

And let's not forget, currently only about 30% of nuclear waste is recycled. When you account for the 70% that doesn't that 15 ships quickly builds up

Ah - so that's what's behind boring Abo rest stop long drops out west.....

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Reply #22 - Jul 19^th, 2023 at 1:22pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 19^th, 2023 at 6:59am:

Plutonium ... half life of 24 000 yrs

Which plutonium isotope? They last from microseconds onwards.

Plutonium ²³⁹P (the 24,000 year one) amounts of about 60% from the nuclear reactor. You need 95% to make Nuclear bombs and that needs a breeder reactor Roll Eyes

"Plutonium containing high quantities of fissile material i.e. Pu-239 in the order of 90-95 %, is known as weapon-grade plutonium. Plutonium containing lower concentrations, in the range of 50-60 % is known as reactor-grade plutonium."

https://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/intro/pu-isotope.htm

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Reply #23 - Jul 19^th, 2023 at 5:53pm

lee wrote on Jul 19^th, 2023 at 1:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 19^th, 2023 at 6:59am:

Plutonium ... half life of 24 000 yrs

Which plutonium isotope? They last from microseconds onwards.

Plutonium ²³⁹P (the 24,000 year one) amounts of about 60% from the nuclear reactor. You need 95% to make Nuclear bombs and that needs a breeder reactor Roll Eyes

"Plutonium containing high quantities of fissile material i.e. Pu-239 in the order of 90-95 %, is known as weapon-grade plutonium. Plutonium containing lower concentrations, in the range of 50-60 % is known as reactor-grade plutonium."

https://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/intro/pu-isotope.htm

Does it matter which one? You don't know what they are going to do in 5 yrs time let alone 50 to 100yrs time and nuclear once it's in will he here to stay.

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Reply #24 - Jul 19^th, 2023 at 6:10pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 19^th, 2023 at 5:53pm:

Does it matter which one?

Of course it does. If its half life is a millisecond it's gone before you can blink.

John Smith wrote on Jul 19^th, 2023 at 5:53pm:

You don't know what they are going to do in 5 yrs time let alone 50 to 100yrs time and nuclear once it's in will he here to stay.

And it can be safely vitrified and buried. Roll Eyes

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Reply #25 - Jun 28^th, 2024 at 9:22am

whiteknight wrote on Jul 18^th, 2023 at 8:18am:

Bowen attacks Dutton as ‘alternative PM from the alt-right’

Brisbane Times
July 17, 2023

Climate Change and Energy Minister Chris Bowen will denounce Peter Dutton as the “alternative prime minister from the alt-right” in a major speech to an energy summit, which the opposition has condemned as childish, while attacking his support for nuclear power and accusing him of accommodating climate deniers and vaccine sceptics within the party’s ranks.

Climate denier. What a moronic, mindless formulation.

I am a proud zealotry denier.

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 24268 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Bowen Attacks Dutton As Alternative PM Reply #26 - Jun 28^th, 2024 at 1:10pm Bowen's interpretation of how climate change works is so slow, his attack on Dutton resembles that of someone doing tai chi.
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Reply #27 - Jun 28^th, 2024 at 1:30pm

lee wrote on Jul 18^th, 2023 at 6:20pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 18^th, 2023 at 6:13pm:

Given that it takes that waste thousands of years before it's safe again, what happens when that 3m2 builds up to 300000m2?

Cubic metres. Roll Eyes

So if it were 300,000 cu metres it would take 100,000 years. And planet earth may not last that long. But it can be recycled.

Into what? Something that is not radioactive?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17187 Gender:	Re: Bowen Attacks Dutton As Alternative PM Reply #28 - Jun 28^th, 2024 at 5:53pm freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2024 at 1:30pm: Something that is not radioactive? Something after it decays is no longer radioactive.
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Re: Bowen Attacks Dutton As Alternative PM
Reply #29 - Jun 28^th, 2024 at 11:18pm

Gordon wrote on Jul 18^th, 2023 at 7:02pm:

lee wrote on Jul 18^th, 2023 at 6:20pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 18^th, 2023 at 6:13pm:

Given that it takes that waste thousands of years before it's safe again, what happens when that 3m2 builds up to 300000m2?

Cubic metres. Roll Eyes

So if it were 300,000 cu metres it would take 100,000 years. And planet earth may not last that long. But it can be recycled.

A good visual for this is a shipping container, which is about 30m3. A very large container ship can carry about 20000 TEU so that's about 15 container ships, but we're talking 100k years of waste. Next the retard will hold his pinky to his mouth and say, 1 million years.

Lets not forget, that is total waste and some has a half life of 30 years.

Future designs are also much more efficient at using recycled material so it's just no where near as big an issue as people make out.

I know, right? Some isotopes have a half life of 30 years.

They're the ones which don't have a half life of 25,000 years, no?

Sure, some nuclear waste will fit in a teeny tiny shipping container - made of lead, covered in salt, buried in ice, and stored for 50,000 years in an electorate that - hopefully, by then -still votes Labor.

You?

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