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This Aboriginal Disaster
May 17th, 2023 at 8:57am  
This is an absolute disaster.

Vote No!
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Reply #1 - May 17th, 2023 at 11:55am  
Every Labor state will be throwing billions in tax payer dollars into these treaties.

The Federal Govt. will then be using even more $ billions in tax payer dollars with Federally based treaties.

This will see 3% of Australians receiving beyond the $36 billion allocated every year to Aboriginal centric issues & programs.

It will make the Sit Down Money issue look absolutely pale(pun intended) in the shade.

And the failings & corruption of previous Aboriginal bodies like ATSIC & certain Land Councils will have been an insignificance.

And all the Aboriginal activists behind the Voice, the NIAA, Uluru Statement, your Tom Calma, Marcia Langton, Noel Pearson, Pat Dodson, Thomas Mayor,  Megan Davis, Dean Parkin etc
will be the Indigenous Elite of Australia running the show.
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Reply #2 - May 17th, 2023 at 12:24pm  
Gnads wrote on May 17th, 2023 at 11:55am:
Every Labor state will be throwing billions in tax payer dollars into these treaties.


The poverty industry is already costing the states $billions.

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The Federal Govt. will then be using even more $ billions in tax payer dollars with Federally based treaties.


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This will see 3% of Australians receiving beyond the $36 billion allocated every year to Aboriginal centric issues & programs.
 

True, but it is hoped the cost of the current poverty industry will be reduced, as the Voice - so it is hoped - will close the gap.

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It will make the Sit Down Money issue look absolutely pale(pun intended) in the shade.


Indeed - this is why understanding how to replace the poverty industry and its sit-down money, is absolutely vital.

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And the failings & corruption of previous Aboriginal bodies like ATSIC & certain Land Councils will have been an insignificance.
 

Well , they should be a warning of the errors in  following poverty industry policies.

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And all the Aboriginal activists behind the Voice, the NIAA, Uluru Statement, your Tom Calma, Marcia Langton, Noel Pearson, Pat Dodson, Thomas Mayor,  Megan Davis, Dean Parkin etc
will be the Indigenous Elite of Australia running the show.


Noel Pearson at least understands the need for a Job Guarantee for ALL Australians. 
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Reply #3 - May 17th, 2023 at 12:25pm  
Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Sky News and Peta Credlin. She saw the defeat of her boyfriend as Prime Minister and still speaks bullshit, hey, Matty, which is of course why you're a fan.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #4 - May 17th, 2023 at 1:22pm  
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Reply #5 - May 17th, 2023 at 1:34pm  
"Whoever said that the Voice would usher in a new era of reconciliation, unity and love was either excessively optimistic or a complete fool. Everywhere I look, I see division and disunity and it is all generated by the Voice," writes Neil Brown.

https://www.spectator.com.au/2023/05/brown-study-271/
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Reply #6 - May 17th, 2023 at 1:40pm  
Boris wrote on May 17th, 2023 at 1:34pm:
"Whoever said that the Voice would usher in a new era of reconciliation, unity and love was either excessively optimistic or a complete fool. Everywhere I look, I see division and disunity and it is all generated by the Voice," writes Neil Brown.

https://www.spectator.com.au/2023/05/brown-study-271/



the debate about the voice is causing  division....why is it so? 

And 'disunity', measured by incarceration rates, existed long before the voice debate.
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Reply #7 - May 17th, 2023 at 7:19pm  
thegreatdivide wrote on May 17th, 2023 at 12:24pm:
Gnads wrote on May 17th, 2023 at 11:55am:
Every Labor state will be throwing billions in tax payer dollars into these treaties.


The poverty industry is already costing the states $billions.

Quote:
The Federal Govt. will then be using even more $ billions in tax payer dollars with Federally based treaties.


Ditto

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This will see 3% of Australians receiving beyond the $36 billion allocated every year to Aboriginal centric issues & programs.
 

True, but it is hoped the cost of the current poverty industry will be reduced, as the Voice - so it is hoped - will close the gap.

Quote:
It will make the Sit Down Money issue look absolutely pale(pun intended) in the shade.


Indeed - this is why understanding how to replace the poverty industry and its sit-down money, is absolutely vital.

Quote:
And the failings & corruption of previous Aboriginal bodies like ATSIC & certain Land Councils will have been an insignificance.
 

Well , they should be a warning of the errors in  following poverty industry policies.

Quote:
And all the Aboriginal activists behind the Voice, the NIAA, Uluru Statement, your Tom Calma, Marcia Langton, Noel Pearson, Pat Dodson, Thomas Mayor,  Megan Davis, Dean Parkin etc
will be the Indigenous Elite of Australia running the show.


Noel Pearson at least understands the need for a Job Guarantee for ALL Australians. 


These $billions will be on top of those billions.... and nothing will change.

the rest of your post is an irrelevance.
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Reply #8 - May 17th, 2023 at 11:49pm  
No Treaty To Be Passed Without A Plebiscite!!

You do not make treaties with anyone other than separate states........ they are either Australian citizens or they are not ...... there endeth the lesson.

“In Australia, there is no hierarchy of descents. There must be no privilege of origin … the commitment to Australia is the one thing needful to be a true Australian.” - Bob Hawke.

Presenting - The Aboriginewealth of Australia!

When do the treason trials start?

Meanwhile, reality slowly pulls its boots on..

https://twitter.com/VoicesForAU
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Reply #9 - May 18th, 2023 at 7:05am  
From where did these states derive the right for their government to impose unequal treaties on their electorate?  It certainly didn't come from the people..... it comes from the hubris of New Labor in its rise in Australia due to the ineptitude of their opposition - it won't take long for the people to work out they've bought a serious pig in a poke that will poke them in the eye in many costly ways.

On the horizon are assassinations, political upheaval (Poor Fellow - My Country lead by such idiots on both sides), open revolt, civil war, and extreme vigilante action......

What are the benefits to non-Indigenous Australians of any treaties?  A treaty is not a one-way event, you know..... so what are the contents of these legislations that permit these governments to impose unequal treaties on the general populace without their say-so?

No Treaties Without The Unequivocal and Fully Informed Consent Of The People!  Put each one to a plebiscite or leave town.
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Reply #10 - May 18th, 2023 at 8:49am  
Hmmm - didn't someone says the government had no obligation to post a No case in a refero?

"What is the referendum pamphlet?
The Referendum Machinery Act, governing how referendums are held, requires the Australian Electoral Commission to compile and deliver the paper document to all voters. It contains essays for and against the constitutional alteration, written by politicians who voted for or against the bill in parliament (more on that later)."
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Reply #11 - May 18th, 2023 at 10:29am  
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 18th, 2023 at 8:49am:
Hmmm - didn't someone says the government had no obligation to post a No case in a refero?

"What is the referendum pamphlet?
The Referendum Machinery Act, governing how referendums are held, requires the Australian Electoral Commission to compile and deliver the paper document to all voters. It contains essays for and against the constitutional alteration, written by politicians who voted for or against the bill in parliament (more on that later)."


Well I thought a govt had a moral obligation to fund both sides/cases in a referendum.....

that's only fair.

Why should the "yes" campaign proponents get tax payers money & the "no" campaign has to raise it's own funds?

Surely it should be the same rules applying to each team in a debate?

Because they should both be on a level playing field & the presentation of arguments for and against put to the public for them to weigh up & make a decision at the ballot box through the referendum.

Much the same as political parties are financed by govt & donations to run their campaigns to get you to vote for them.

For Albanese to say that funding the "No" campaign would be racist.....is 1. a complete lie further to the use of emotional blackmail & 2. and the lack details of who, what, where & why regarding the voice is deceptive & underhanded.

You do not run a referendum on a Constitutional change costing over $200million dollars asking the people to vote it up without details that they say will tell you after the referendum if it gets up.

That is ludicrous.

Furthermore those monies are split with the AEC & NIAA (An Aboriginal specific body).

Not all Aboriginals support the "Voice" propaganda.

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Funding for the referendum was provided to the AEC and NIAA in the October 2022 Australian federal budget, with a total distribution of $75.2 million (excluding Contingency Reserves) over two years (FY2022–24). There is an additional $160 million of the federal Contingency Reserve available to deliver the referendum.


The bias of funding one side of this debate for the proposed referendum is what is actually racist & tantamount to apartheid.

Vote NO!
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Reply #12 - May 18th, 2023 at 12:20pm  
Gnads wrote on May 17th, 2023 at 7:19pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on May 17th, 2023 at 12:24pm:
Gnads wrote on May 17th, 2023 at 11:55am:
Every Labor state will be throwing billions in tax payer dollars into these treaties.


The poverty industry is already costing the states $billions.

Quote:
The Federal Govt. will then be using even more $ billions in tax payer dollars with Federally based treaties.


Ditto

Quote:
This will see 3% of Australians receiving beyond the $36 billion allocated every year to Aboriginal centric issues & programs.
 

True, but it is hoped the cost of the current poverty industry will be reduced, as the Voice - so it is hoped - will close the gap.

Quote:
It will make the Sit Down Money issue look absolutely pale(pun intended) in the shade.


Indeed - this is why understanding how to replace the poverty industry and its sit-down money, is absolutely vital.

Quote:
And the failings & corruption of previous Aboriginal bodies like ATSIC & certain Land Councils will have been an insignificance.
 

Well , they should be a warning of the errors in  following poverty industry policies.

Quote:
And all the Aboriginal activists behind the Voice, the NIAA, Uluru Statement, your Tom Calma, Marcia Langton, Noel Pearson, Pat Dodson, Thomas Mayor,  Megan Davis, Dean Parkin etc
will be the Indigenous Elite of Australia running the show.


Noel Pearson at least understands the need for a Job Guarantee for ALL Australians. 


These $billions will be on top of those billions.... and nothing will change.


But as I said, the proponents of the voice believe things WILL change.

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the rest of your post is an irrelevance.


That is just your blind ideology.   I explained WHY the voice is misconceived, and what is required to bring  about ACTUAL change. 
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Reply #13 - May 18th, 2023 at 2:49pm  
thegreatdivide wrote on May 18th, 2023 at 12:20pm:
Gnads wrote on May 17th, 2023 at 7:19pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on May 17th, 2023 at 12:24pm:
Gnads wrote on May 17th, 2023 at 11:55am:
Every Labor state will be throwing billions in tax payer dollars into these treaties.


The poverty industry is already costing the states $billions.

Quote:
The Federal Govt. will then be using even more $ billions in tax payer dollars with Federally based treaties.


Ditto

Quote:
This will see 3% of Australians receiving beyond the $36 billion allocated every year to Aboriginal centric issues & programs.
 

True, but it is hoped the cost of the current poverty industry will be reduced, as the Voice - so it is hoped - will close the gap.

Quote:
It will make the Sit Down Money issue look absolutely pale(pun intended) in the shade.


Indeed - this is why understanding how to replace the poverty industry and its sit-down money, is absolutely vital.

Quote:
And the failings & corruption of previous Aboriginal bodies like ATSIC & certain Land Councils will have been an insignificance.
 

Well , they should be a warning of the errors in  following poverty industry policies.

Quote:
And all the Aboriginal activists behind the Voice, the NIAA, Uluru Statement, your Tom Calma, Marcia Langton, Noel Pearson, Pat Dodson, Thomas Mayor,  Megan Davis, Dean Parkin etc
will be the Indigenous Elite of Australia running the show.


Noel Pearson at least understands the need for a Job Guarantee for ALL Australians. 


These $billions will be on top of those billions.... and nothing will change.


But as I said, the proponents of the voice believe things WILL change.

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the rest of your post is an irrelevance.


That is just your blind ideology.   I explained WHY the voice is misconceived, and what is required to bring  about ACTUAL change. 


Pot, kettle, black  Roll Eyes

TGD the only one with the blind ideology is you.

It doesn't matter what the proponents of the "voice" believe.....

unless they can actually prove it & put it to the people exactly how the whole body will operate, what powers it will have & the processes for election of members & or their removal demonstrated & in black & white(pun intended) ....

then the referendum should not be going ahead.

The whole concept of - say "yes" & we'll work it out later is a nonsense & not acceptable.
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Reply #14 - May 18th, 2023 at 4:17pm  
Gnads wrote on May 18th, 2023 at 2:49pm:
TGD the only one with the blind ideology is you.

It doesn't matter what the proponents of the "voice" believe.....


Of course it does, that's why the voice referendum will be held; ie they believe it will assist in closing the gap.

You can't think clearly?   

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unless they can actually prove it & put it to the people exactly how the whole body will operate, what powers it will have & the processes for election of members & or their removal demonstrated & in black & white(pun intended) ....They can't prove it, then the referendum should not be going ahead.
   

Addressed above.

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The whole concept of - say "yes" & we'll work it out later is a nonsense & not acceptable.


Maybe, but your refusal tp look at what WILL close the gap is egregious, the result of blind ideology.

By definition, provision of an above-poverty job for all will close the gap....and neuter the cultural/'sovereignty'  warriors at the same time. 
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