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Re: Immigration
Reply #1125 - May 19^th, 2024 at 1:40pm

JC Denton wrote on May 19^th, 2024 at 12:27pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on May 19^th, 2024 at 10:53am:

As seen on Insiders today:

https://i.imgur.com/ZWQKiLW.jpg

I think it makes sense to cut immigration at the moment.
Cut it hard and let infrastructure and housing catch up.

that is only the permanent numbers, the fake 'temp' numbers make all of the bars much higher than that

housing and infrastructure will never 'catch up' if you keep resuming immigration, what is the point of just bringing back the same problems at a later date? why are the people who mouth these platitudes so incapable of thinking five minutes ahead of time?

all of the proposed plans will not facilitate that goal anyway (assuming they are even implemented), as the rate is still far too high in all of them.

Yes, well ... perhaps I should have expanded.

I reckon cut immigration HARD now and put up "Sorry, we are full" signs and keep immigration really low for some years in order to allow home building and associated infrastructure to catch up.

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Reply #1126 - May 19^th, 2024 at 2:50pm

Gnads wrote on May 19^th, 2024 at 1:25pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 3:45pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 2:46pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 2:09pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 2:02pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 1:58pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 1:49pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 17^th, 2024 at 1:16pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 17^th, 2024 at 1:12pm:

holy sh_t guys who cares.

Pauline Hanson, apparently.

And she's an Oz Senator who backs Israel, though I admit possibly not the loony tunes ultra-orthodox Jews.

Well - the ultras are kind of fixed in the belief that god will do the work if they just pray enough, so they should just turn the other cheek. and let god do his work. Of course, none of theirs would have been at the border or peace rock concerts.... their men are kept by family to THINK and come up with apparently rabbinical solutions to everything - the epitome of a think tank and of ivory towerism.

Pay them no mind - reality is often a shock to them.

"Reality"? - we have a problem.

Is settlement of disputes via war your only concept of reality?

Israel should not have been recognized before all sides accepted the proposition.

the limits of your thinking are clear .......

Where is the "limit" in "to save mankind from the scourge of war": UN Charter , 1946?

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Israel pre-existed the Arab invasion.................... no problem.

No it didn't; the Palestine Mandate lands - from which people who are still alive today, were forced out in conflict in 1947 - existed before "Israel".

Do try to keep up.

The Hebrews were forced out - largely - long before - thousands of years, in fact - and yet retained a presence on their own land ...

Yes, the ancient Hebrews - chasing the "Promised Land" - as per Moses' directions - committed genocide along the way, as authorized by Yahweh...before they themselves were soon forced out by successive world empires.

"Retaining a presence" doesn't entitle modern Jews (of many races) to the recreation of an ancient state won via genocide.

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You've gone beyond a joke....

Refuted above.

Via genocide? Grin

you lying twerp.

aha - you know the outcome of the current ICJ case, I suppose...

But grown men firing bombs at non-combatants in heavily populated residential areas IS genocide.

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Re: Immigration
Reply #1127 - May 19^th, 2024 at 3:23pm

Captain Nemo wrote on May 19^th, 2024 at 10:53am:

As seen on Insiders today:

https://i.imgur.com/ZWQKiLW.jpg

I think it makes sense to cut immigration at the moment.
Cut it hard and let infrastructure and housing catch up.

These are the numbers - really?

Albo was complaining on TV this morning that Dutton was
making up false numbers.
The fact is that no one seems to know what the true numbers are.
I've heard that this year alone we'll have 1 million immigrants -
that we've had 105,000 every month so far this year.

The reality is that rents have doubled for many poor people -
and to buy?
houses, units and flats are in high demand and at excessive prices.
There are long queues of 50 people or more lining up to rent places
even at rip off prices.
10s of 1000s of people are sleeping in cars.
Even more are couch surfing wherever they can
or trying to get a caravan in someone's backyard
and use their toilet and showering facilities.

Albo doesn't care about you at all, at all , at all.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 76738 Gender:	Re: Immigration Reply #1128 - May 19^th, 2024 at 3:29pm Captain Nemo wrote on May 19^th, 2024 at 10:53am: As seen on Insiders today: https://i.imgur.com/ZWQKiLW.jpg I think it makes sense to cut immigration at the moment. Cut it hard and let infrastructure and housing catch up. And who's going to build those house? All the pensioners?
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Re: Immigration
Reply #1129 - May 19^th, 2024 at 3:33pm

John Smith wrote on May 19^th, 2024 at 3:29pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on May 19^th, 2024 at 10:53am:

As seen on Insiders today:

https://i.imgur.com/ZWQKiLW.jpg

I think it makes sense to cut immigration at the moment.
Cut it hard and let infrastructure and housing catch up.

And who's going to build those house? All the pensioners?

You Labor party hack.
How many of those immigrants are builders?

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Reply #1130 - May 19^th, 2024 at 3:48pm

John Smith wrote on May 19^th, 2024 at 3:29pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on May 19^th, 2024 at 10:53am:

As seen on Insiders today:

https://i.imgur.com/ZWQKiLW.jpg

I think it makes sense to cut immigration at the moment.
Cut it hard and let infrastructure and housing catch up.

And who's going to build those house? All the pensioners?

we already have a building industry you f_cking idiot, most new houses are to accomodate migration because we've been below replacement fertility since 1978

its honestly amazing how you can't grasp this basic concept and keep repeating these braindead lies about how all these indian migrants are somehow working in the construction industry (they're not) and even if they were, the construction industry exists disproportionately to support immigration driven population growth, which is the only source of population growth anymore

absolute f_cking retard man, you're legit one of the dumbest people i've ever encountered online or offline. seriously thick as complete dog sh_t

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Re: Immigration
Reply #1131 - May 19^th, 2024 at 3:54pm

JC Denton wrote on May 19^th, 2024 at 3:48pm:

John Smith wrote on May 19^th, 2024 at 3:29pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on May 19^th, 2024 at 10:53am:

As seen on Insiders today:

https://i.imgur.com/ZWQKiLW.jpg

I think it makes sense to cut immigration at the moment.
Cut it hard and let infrastructure and housing catch up.

And who's going to build those house? All the pensioners?

we already have a building industry you f_cking idiot, most new houses are to accomodate migration because we've been below replacement fertility since 1978

its honestly amazing how you can't grasp this basic concept and keep repeating these braindead lies about how all these indian migrants are somehow working in the construction industry (they're not) and even if they were, the construction industry exists disproportionately to support immigration driven population growth, which is the only source of population growth anymore

absolute f_cking retard man, you're legit one of the dumbest people i've ever encountered online or offline. seriously thick as complete dog sh_t

Give him some leeway -
he was kicked out of school at the age of 15 for being the classroom dunce. Embarrassed

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Re: Immigration
Reply #1132 - May 19^th, 2024 at 5:19pm

JC Denton wrote on May 19^th, 2024 at 3:48pm:

we already have a building industry you f_cking idiot, most new houses are to accomodate migration because we've been below replacement fertility since 1978

its honestly amazing how you can't grasp this basic concept and keep repeating these braindead lies about how all these indian migrants are somehow working in the construction industry (they're not) and even if they were, the construction industry exists disproportionately to support immigration driven population growth, which is the only source of population growth anymore

absolute f_cking retard man, you're legit one of the dumbest people i've ever encountered online or offline. seriously thick as complete dog sh_t

The building industry is struggling to keep up as it is. Call an electrician, you wait 3 months. Need a plumber to fix a leak? wait another month. And we haven't even gotten into who's going to wipe your geriatric arse when you're no longer able to.

You've absolutely no idea what you're on about. You're just a simpleton who wants to blame all your woes on immigrants. Our population is aging. Without migration you'd have run out of people to stock your shelves, pick your fruit, wipe your arse or fix your computers ages ago. Who's going to pay for your hospitals etc without a workforce to pay taxes? Sure, it's has it's own issues, but only a simpleton would think the answer is to ban migration altogether. Congrats, you are that simpleton.

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Re: Immigration
Reply #1133 - May 19^th, 2024 at 5:24pm

John Smith wrote on May 19^th, 2024 at 5:19pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 19^th, 2024 at 3:48pm:

we already have a building industry you f_cking idiot, most new houses are to accomodate migration because we've been below replacement fertility since 1978

its honestly amazing how you can't grasp this basic concept and keep repeating these braindead lies about how all these indian migrants are somehow working in the construction industry (they're not) and even if they were, the construction industry exists disproportionately to support immigration driven population growth, which is the only source of population growth anymore

absolute f_cking retard man, you're legit one of the dumbest people i've ever encountered online or offline. seriously thick as complete dog sh_t

The building industry is struggling to keep up as it is. Call an electrician, you wait 3 months. Need a plumber to fix a leak? wait another month. And we haven't even gotten into who's going to wipe your geriatric arse when you're no longer able to.

You've absolutely no idea what you're on about. You're just a simpleton who wants to blame all your woes on immigrants. Our population is aging. Without migration you'd have run out of people to stock your shelves, pick your fruit, wipe your arse or fix your computers ages ago. Who's going to pay for your hospitals etc without a workforce to pay taxes? Sure, it's has it's own issues, but only a simpleton would think the answer is to ban migration altogether. Congrats, you are that simpleton.

The reality is that rents have doubled for many poor people -
and to buy?
houses, units and flats are in high demand and at excessive prices.
There are long queues of 50 people or more lining up to rent places
even at rip off prices.
10s of 1000s of people are sleeping in cars.
Even more are couch surfing wherever they can
or trying to get a caravan in someone's backyard
and use their toilet and showering facilities.

Albo doesn't care about you at all, at all , at all.

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Re: Immigration
Reply #1134 - May 19^th, 2024 at 6:49pm

Bobby. wrote on May 19^th, 2024 at 5:24pm:

John Smith wrote on May 19^th, 2024 at 5:19pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 19^th, 2024 at 3:48pm:

we already have a building industry you f_cking idiot, most new houses are to accomodate migration because we've been below replacement fertility since 1978

its honestly amazing how you can't grasp this basic concept and keep repeating these braindead lies about how all these indian migrants are somehow working in the construction industry (they're not) and even if they were, the construction industry exists disproportionately to support immigration driven population growth, which is the only source of population growth anymore

absolute f_cking retard man, you're legit one of the dumbest people i've ever encountered online or offline. seriously thick as complete dog sh_t

The building industry is struggling to keep up as it is. Call an electrician, you wait 3 months. Need a plumber to fix a leak? wait another month. And we haven't even gotten into who's going to wipe your geriatric arse when you're no longer able to.

You've absolutely no idea what you're on about. You're just a simpleton who wants to blame all your woes on immigrants. Our population is aging. Without migration you'd have run out of people to stock your shelves, pick your fruit, wipe your arse or fix your computers ages ago. Who's going to pay for your hospitals etc without a workforce to pay taxes? Sure, it's has it's own issues, but only a simpleton would think the answer is to ban migration altogether. Congrats, you are that simpleton.

The reality is that rents have doubled for many poor people -
and to buy?
houses, units and flats are in high demand and at excessive prices.
There are long queues of 50 people or more lining up to rent places
even at rip off prices.
10s of 1000s of people are sleeping in cars.
Even more are couch surfing wherever they can
or trying to get a caravan in someone's backyard
and use their toilet and showering facilities.

Albo doesn't care about you at all, at all , at all.

'Small government'/free market failure: rational people know the nation has to rebuild its public housing stock, to ensure affordable rents, and prices for those who want to buy (and government can sell some public housing if everyone is housed, rental-stress free).

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Daves2017 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1969 Gender:	Re: Immigration Reply #1135 - May 19^th, 2024 at 7:05pm https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/voters-favour-deeper-cuts-to-migration-as-labor-misses-budget-boost-20240517-p5jejd.html Albo will start to care as his odds of being a one term government increases every day!
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Reply #1136 - May 19^th, 2024 at 7:30pm

John Smith wrote on May 19^th, 2024 at 5:19pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 19^th, 2024 at 3:48pm:

we already have a building industry you f_cking idiot, most new houses are to accomodate migration because we've been below replacement fertility since 1978

its honestly amazing how you can't grasp this basic concept and keep repeating these braindead lies about how all these indian migrants are somehow working in the construction industry (they're not) and even if they were, the construction industry exists disproportionately to support immigration driven population growth, which is the only source of population growth anymore

absolute f_cking retard man, you're legit one of the dumbest people i've ever encountered online or offline. seriously thick as complete dog sh_t

The building industry is struggling to keep up as it is. Call an electrician, you wait 3 months. Need a plumber to fix a leak? wait another month. And we haven't even gotten into who's going to wipe your geriatric arse when you're no longer able to.

So why IS the building industry struggling? Why do you have to wait weeks for a tradie?

Because demand (population) outstrips supply (tradies).

What is the service you don't have to wait for? Uber drivers from India, trolley pushers from Nepal, Uber Eats delivery 'students' from Pakistan and Bangladesh.

As to who wipes your geriatric arse - why don't you ask your children? You wiped their mewling arses for a couple of years, they can return the favour.

Immigration should be for the benefit of the host country. But it has been flipped by the tinted third world hordes, along racial gievance lines, and they positively demand that migration be for their benefit, whether Western countries want them or not. That is nutty bollocks.

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Reply #1137 - May 19^th, 2024 at 7:40pm

John Smith wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 10:18pm:

Frank wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 7:46pm:

John Smith wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 7:44pm:

Frank wrote on May 17^th, 2024 at 4:30pm:

John Smith wrote on May 17^th, 2024 at 2:11pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 17^th, 2024 at 1:32pm:

And Frank and ....all these pesky immigrants with their special demands.

no, frank only cries when it's tinted imports.

You say it like it's a bad thing.

But it's not the tint, thicko, it's the underlying cultures.

I'd rather we take the tinted and get rid of the likes of you .....

Well, being tinted yourself, that is not surprising.

But it also strengthens and proves my point..... Roll Eyes

Not desperate much are you Grin

How swarthy are you?

1 to 10,
1 being blonde and blue eyed, 3 being Sicilian/Greek, 5 half Aboriginal half Irish or Arab, 8 Indian, Chinese, Asian, 10 black African.

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Reply #1138 - May 19^th, 2024 at 8:34pm

Bobby. wrote on May 19^th, 2024 at 5:24pm:

John Smith wrote on May 19^th, 2024 at 5:19pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 19^th, 2024 at 3:48pm:

we already have a building industry you f_cking idiot, most new houses are to accomodate migration because we've been below replacement fertility since 1978

its honestly amazing how you can't grasp this basic concept and keep repeating these braindead lies about how all these indian migrants are somehow working in the construction industry (they're not) and even if they were, the construction industry exists disproportionately to support immigration driven population growth, which is the only source of population growth anymore

absolute f_cking retard man, you're legit one of the dumbest people i've ever encountered online or offline. seriously thick as complete dog sh_t

The building industry is struggling to keep up as it is. Call an electrician, you wait 3 months. Need a plumber to fix a leak? wait another month. And we haven't even gotten into who's going to wipe your geriatric arse when you're no longer able to.

You've absolutely no idea what you're on about. You're just a simpleton who wants to blame all your woes on immigrants. Our population is aging. Without migration you'd have run out of people to stock your shelves, pick your fruit, wipe your arse or fix your computers ages ago. Who's going to pay for your hospitals etc without a workforce to pay taxes? Sure, it's has it's own issues, but only a simpleton would think the answer is to ban migration altogether. Congrats, you are that simpleton.

The reality is that rents have doubled for many poor people -
and to buy?
houses, units and flats are in high demand and at excessive prices.
There are long queues of 50 people or more lining up to rent places
even at rip off prices.
10s of 1000s of people are sleeping in cars.
Even more are couch surfing wherever they can
or trying to get a caravan in someone's backyard
and use their toilet and showering facilities.

Albo doesn't care about you at all, at all , at all.

Yes rents have doubled but that's mostly because of all the govt restrictions on new. I had look at a 30 acre property 10 mins from a major city 2 weeks ago and I was told I had zero chance of being allowed to split it and sell half, let along building multiple houses on it. That has zero to do with immigration. Some councils are now looking to restrict tiny houses or mobile homes in your backyard. At a time when people are struggling to find homes. It's ridiculous and only a simpleton would think immigration is the cause of it all.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 76738 Gender:	Re: Immigration Reply #1139 - May 19^th, 2024 at 8:38pm Quote: So why IS the building industry struggling? Why do you have to wait weeks for a tradie Cause they're busy. A friend of mine had to wait 12 months before any builder could even start their new house, and they weren't fussy about which builder they used.
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