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Sep 2^nd, 2022 at 4:40pm

Permanent migration cap lifted to 195,000

An additional 35,000 skilled migrants will be able to call Australia home in this financial year, after Home Affairs Minister Clare O’Neill confirmed the annual permanent migration target would increase from 160,000 to 195,000.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/permanent-migration-cap-lifted-to-195000...

AI technology is forecast to replace as much as half of the work that is done today by 2030.

A 2019 McKinsey & Co report on automation in Australia laid out just how quickly industries are set to change.

The authors said by 2030 as many as 5 million Australians may need to change their occupation because of automation, with WA's East Pilbara, Penrith in western Sydney, Mackay in Queensland, West Coast in Tasmania and Port Pirie north of Adelaide among the most exposed local government areas.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-28/artificial-intelligence-policy-australia-...

Investing in Australians’ education is far more important than immigration

in resolving the nation’s skills shortages, according to leading economists surveyed in the lead-up to this week’s jobs and skills summit.

The 50 top Australian economists polled by the Economic Society of Australia and The Conversation are recognised by their peers as leaders in their fields, including economic modelling, labour markets and public policy.

Asked to select from a list of topics to be discussed at the summit, and which offered the most promise of delivering better outcomes, two-thirds picked “education and skills”. Only one-third picked “migration policy”.
https://theconversation.com/is-education-or-immigration-the-answer-to-our-skills...

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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 21207 A cat with a view	Re: Immigration Reply #1 - Sep 2^nd, 2022 at 5:09pm Elon Musk is hoping to establish a colony on Mars..... ......probably because he knows, that there isn't very much intelligent life on this planet. Most of the human beings on this planet are insane [irrational], imo. [i.e. most of them are happy to tolerate LAWLESSNESS.] It must be The End Times bobby ?
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Bias_2012 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10578 Gender:	Re: Immigration Reply #2 - Sep 2^nd, 2022 at 11:25pm The Libs and Labs are running on artificial intelligence, that's all they've got left ... they need life-support
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Reply #3 - Sep 3^rd, 2022 at 12:03am

Have to agree with Frank here... educating our own is far more important than bringing in 'dilutees' with half the skills to fill the gaps artificially created.

I ask again - why are there so many nursing graduates who cannot get a job with NSW Health while they bring in Outlanders with 'skills'?

Why are universities permitted to bring in full fee paying Outlanders to study top grade disciplines to the detriment of local talent that often cannot afford the tuition?

Governments here have zero problem with establishing quotas for all those they love to love - what about quotas for our very own first?

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Reply #5 - Sep 3^rd, 2022 at 10:56am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2022 at 12:03am:

Have to agree with Frank here... educating our own is far more important than bringing in 'dilutees' with half the skills to fill the gaps artificially created.

I ask again - why are there so many nursing graduates who cannot get a job with NSW Health while they bring in Outlanders with 'skills'?

Why are universities permitted to bring in full fee paying Outlanders to study top grade disciplines to the detriment of local talent that often cannot afford the tuition?

Governments here have zero problem with establishing quotas for all those they love to love - what about quotas for our very own first?

Blair in the UK, then Gillard here, wanted most young people to go to uni.
But university is (or should be) demanding. So to make is 'accessible' they dumbed most uni courses down to the level where you can enrol in a teaching degree with an ATAR of 36 (Federation Uni). Social Work (Disability) 45. A third to half of these low ability students drop out after a year or two.

Most generalist degrees are barely more demanding than matriculation was 60 years ago. And a lot of the office jobs they qualify you for will disappear due to automation and AI.

International students are a migration stream for low skill jobs as most of them cannot be employed in the fields they have a degree in.

The latest Graduate Outcomes Survey (GOS) supports these findings, showing that only 41.6% of international graduates living in Australia were employed full-time in 2021, versus 68.9% of domestic student graduates. The median full-time salary of international graduates was also only $54,300 in 2021, well below the $65,000 median full-time salary of domestic graduates.

The deleterious impacts on younger Australians entering the labour market were never considered, nor the erosion of pedagogical standards that arose from the explosion in international student numbers.

Before COVID hit, Australia had by far the highest concentration of international students in the world at around 3 times the concentration as the United Kingdom’s and Canada’s, and six times the United Sates’.

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AusGeoff Gold Member Offline Sage of Gippsland Posts: 5999 Victoria Gender:	Re: Immigration Reply #6 - Sep 3^rd, 2022 at 11:03am Total job vacancies in Australia number around 480,100. Unemployed (looking for work) participants number around 473,600. Does the government not see a logical solution in order to bring both numbers closer to zero?
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Reply #7 - Sep 3^rd, 2022 at 11:09am

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But university is (or should be) demanding. So to make is 'accessible' they dumbed most uni courses down to the level where you can enrol in a teaching degree with an ATAR of 36 (Federation Uni). Social Work (Disability) 45. A third to half of these low ability students drop out after a year or two

Frank - those figures can't be right. 36?? 45?? Who would get such a ridiculously low ATAR in the first place?

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Reply #8 - Sep 3^rd, 2022 at 11:23am

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2022 at 11:09am:

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But university is (or should be) demanding. So to make is 'accessible' they dumbed most uni courses down to the level where you can enrol in a teaching degree with an ATAR of 36 (Federation Uni). Social Work (Disability) 45. A third to half of these low ability students drop out after a year or two

Frank - those figures can't be right. 36?? 45?? Who would get such a ridiculously low ATAR in the first place?

They are not even the lowest.
https://www.courseseeker.edu.au/courses

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Reply #9 - Sep 3^rd, 2022 at 8:41pm

Well the projected immigration (let's not quibble) of 200,000 p.a. will increase demand on housing thus raising the profitability of the banks and all the vultures in the negative gearing business.... will continue to put pressure on jobs and on incomes derived from jobs.... will continue to split our society and culture into more and more groups, which process will be exacerbated by stupid governments persisting with affirmative action etc ..... and will eventually produce a disaster of major proportions once things go bad....

Australia needs to determine what it is in reality - apart from the dumping ground for every rat racer social science idea. I notice that AlboCorp is always surrounded by mostly Whartes and a few - very few - others.

Clearly there is no intention that excessive and wrongfully advertised immigration and all its pending disasters for the many will not be shared by them in their ivory tower...... same as their opposition....

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Reply #10 - Sep 3^rd, 2022 at 8:45pm

AusGeoff wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2022 at 11:03am:

Total job vacancies in Australia number around 480,100.

Unemployed (looking for work) participants number around 473,600.

Does the government not see a logical solution in order to bring both numbers closer to zero? Angry

Herd all the unemployed into the jobs zones and put them up in a tent city? Round up all the Remotigenes and and put their shoulder to the wheel?

Who's going to travel 1000 km for a part time casual gig, find somewhere to live at prohibitive expense, and just rely on a miniscule income to get enough to live on in times of great uncertainty?

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Reply #11 - Sep 3^rd, 2022 at 9:03pm

Thus spake Artificial Intelligence...

When Whitey, via its superior technology, discovers through genetics and ancestry research of the global Genomes that it is nothing but a 'mutant' offshoot of the Darkie family tree that began in a tiny corner of the world called Europe upon a world covered with Darkies...

In the future, DNA will recognise the superior combination of darkie males mating with whitey females and thus produce in children the majority of males being born 'darkie' and the females being born 'whitey'.
Which is why Whitey males have to wear 'Black' to get married. Grin

To appear more 'masculine'.
...in the past, the Whitey felt superior in a tiny spot called Europe over the rest of the world covered in 'primitive' darkies.
...in the future, the 'recycled' darkies called Whities will become the dominant mass production race while the new minority of Darkies will rule from South America with superior technology which the Whities forfeited in order to populate the rest of the world from a minority position.

Black Groom
White Bride

White is the feminine colour.

Face it Grapps. You're just a latent Trans woman in man's clothes. Cheesy

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Frank Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 42835 Gender:	Re: Immigration Reply #13 - Sep 3^rd, 2022 at 11:25pm If large scale immigration - importing the population of Townsville EVERY year - is the answer then an awful lot of things, like education, regions, productivity etc are done wrong.
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Reply #14 - Sep 4^th, 2022 at 11:47am

Frank wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2022 at 11:25pm:

If large scale immigration - importing the population of Townsville EVERY year - is the answer then an awful lot of things, like education, regions, productivity etc are done wrong.

If there were a series of genuine projects going ahead that developed long term jobs and infrastructure for the many and these were accelerating daily and needed workers etc, all would be good. As it is, most of these new people will find it hard to get jobs or will be cutting out local talent by being placed as 'dilutees' into vital jobs such as nursing and even medicine

I believe I've told you in the past - foreign trained doctors had to undergo a twelve month remedial course here before being allowed to practice - now they waltz straight in - and let me tell you - some of them are bricks. My GP is a gem - in the room next door is a chap who has zero idea of anything - yet is an Indian trained doctor. A real worry, since money is often the way forward through such courses, and we all know that local talent is shoved aside to cater to full fee paying students from Offshoria and Wayoutland.

I must say again - with all the graduates in nursing, why is there this desperate need for more and more immigrant nurses?

https://www.intercheck.com.au/blog/find-first-nursing-job/

If that link is true, WTF is going on here when the health system is crying out for more staff to take the pressure off and give a better nurse to patient ratio? Can there be a deliberate policy to disempower, disenfranchise our own so as to bring in Offshorites?

Why would any government do that? To become part of some mythical 'global village' in which all are 'equal' and some of those you just equalised will savage you at the drop of a hat like dogs rescued from an abusive and violent environment?

Sinn Fein, Brothers and Sisters - we need politicians with real balls and you won't find them with your Albos, Parrot's Tits, Voldemorts, Barnabys, Tanyas, Gladys, Bandicoots and so forth.... all just time servers and some of the greatest con persons ever born, taking the Queen's best shilling and living off the fattest in the land (comment courtesy of a Digger on his way to a Pacific campaign in WW II) without a moment of remorse but with an absolute sense of Entitlement™.

'Nice Guy' Albanese - the smile on the face of the tiger.... never smile at a crococile .... at least Bandicoot and some of his hench-persons have the decency to have crazy eyes.... for advertising's sake.

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