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Reply #360 - Nov 6^th, 2022 at 10:15pm

ShellShilo wrote on Nov 6^th, 2022 at 7:38pm:

Sophia wrote on Nov 6^th, 2022 at 6:12pm:

Shell….. the quote got mixed up in your last posting… instead of replying to Geoff… it looks like Lastnail wrote what Geoff wrote… I had to go back and forth to work it out as it seemed odd Grin

Thank you Lols. I see now what I've done. I quoted from a quote. I won't make that mistake again. My apologies to Sir Lastnail. These quotes were from AusGeoff, NOT from Sir Lastnail. Embarrassed

I caught this. No probs.

The only thing I'll query on your detailed response Shell is this...

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I have no idea what these results from another country have to do with Australia. You're becoming just a victim of your own confirmation bias. You keep ignoring the obvious elephant in the room. Namely, that NO VACCINATED PERSON IS SUPPOSE TO DIE AT ALL!

It doesn't matter from which country I draw my COVID statistics from as long
as that country has a generally comparable population as far as society, wealth,
lifestyle, and medical facilities go. I'm thinking that was just a deflection by you?
So no, I don't accept that using US statistics is confirmation bias at all.

And of course—duh—no vaccinated person is "supposed" to die. (Why the CAPS?)
Which comment is disingenuous and totally misses the point.

According to figures I've posted multiple times here, unvaccinated people are
up to eight time more likely to die of COVID than vaccinated people. And that's
really the end of the story.

The chances of being in an ICU bed in any given week if you’re unvaccinated
is 60 per 1 million people, compared with 8 per 1 million people who have two
or more doses of the vaccine. Image: Australian Academy of Science. Data
based on NSW Health COVID-19 Critical Intelligence Unit: COVID-19 Monitor.
28 April 2022:

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Re: So many now dying suddenly
Reply #361 - Nov 6^th, 2022 at 11:03pm

LOL... poor old Sir Lastnail. Still refusing to concede he was wrong. Pathetic.

So pathetic in fact that he's dredged up some report from fifteen years
before SARS-CoV-2 even existed.

The conclusions of the report from The National Center for Biotechnology
Information, Martin J, Vincent et al, 22 August 2005:

Chloroquine, a relatively safe, effective and cheap drug used for
treating many human diseases including malaria, amoebiosis and
human immunodeficiency virus is effective in inhibiting the infection
and spread of SARS CoV in cell culture (in vitro).

The fact that the drug has significant inhibitory antiviral effect when
the susceptible cells were treated either prior to or after infection
suggests a possible prophylactic and therapeutic use.

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Re: So many now dying suddenly
Reply #362 - Nov 6^th, 2022 at 11:29pm

Jasin wrote on Nov 6^th, 2022 at 6:20pm:

Well considering the track record of 'Western Medicine' especially out of America. I never once blamed the fear of those people who refused the Vaccine. I think they had every right to say no. How can you trust Medicine from nations more apt at winning wars?
I did support the enforcement of every other protective measure like Lockdowns, masks, etc.
But for fast-tracked Vaccines that could be just as bad as Thalidomide was pumped into women, I believe the fear of such things by people was justified.

Totally agree. The body does NOT respond well to rapid/acute changes.

This vaccine was truly a drug companies dream come true. For over a year, the media had created a desperate demand for their product. All they needed was a product. The sooner it could be rushed to market, the sooner profits could be made. They didn't even bother to use any live or attenuated viruses in their vaccines. They just used lab-created mRNA protein strands, to program muscle cells to make the antigens themselves.

Messenger RNA tech had been abandoned for decades, because the body kept attacking any foreign mRNA in the body. Hence why it is protected in a nano-lipid covering. And, uses a monkey virus as a vector.

I think people have done their homework, and now understand what a vaccine is, and what it does. Vaccines are only as good as their host's immune system.

The problem that chemist made regarding Thalidomide, was from ignorance. Thalidomide is a chiral molecule(can't be superimposed onto itself), with both a right and left opposite molecule. They used a 50/50 mix of both molecules. The left molecule was very effective against relieving early morning sickness. But it was the right molecule that was found to be toxic to the developing embryo(between 20-37 days from conception).

There were many reasons why it took so long to discover that the drug was causing these fetal deformities. But was discovered in the end. Since Thalidomide inhibits the body's inflammatory(immune) response, and stops blood vessel from forming, it is still being used to fight cancer and in the treatment of Leprosy. Who'd a thought!

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Re: So many now dying suddenly
Reply #363 - Nov 6^th, 2022 at 11:39pm

AusGeoff wrote on Nov 6^th, 2022 at 11:03pm:

LOL... poor old Sir Lastnail. Still refusing to concede he was wrong. Pathetic.

So pathetic in fact that he's dredged up some report from fifteen years
before SARS-CoV-2 even existed.

The conclusions of the report from The National Center for Biotechnology
Information, Martin J, Vincent et al, 22 August 2005:

Chloroquine, a relatively safe, effective and cheap drug used for
treating many human diseases including malaria, amoebiosis and
human immunodeficiency virus is effective in inhibiting the infection
and spread of SARS CoV in cell culture (in vitro).

The fact that the drug has significant inhibitory antiviral effect when
the susceptible cells were treated either prior to or after infection
suggests a possible prophylactic and therapeutic use.

https://i.postimg.cc/g2mwkntQ/FACT-Clinical-trials-confirm-that-hydroxychloroqui...

As I had Covid in January this year… then long covid after… with hair loss…
Since I was prescribed HCQ (and I’m not a fan of taking any prescribed medication) I reluctantly took it… thinking it would do nothing, possibly even give me side effects.

I didn’t take 2 per day (200mg) I took one per day (I’m very sensitive to any medication) so knowing me… I diligently took 1 every day with breakfast.
I’m under strict care with a specialist with extra tests along the way.

What I wasn’t expecting… and fam & friends are commenting… how thick my hair is … OMG… I cannot believe it either. As soon as I started taking HCQ my little hair I had left stopped falling out and grew back so well!
Not only that… I have no more long covid symptoms… nor have I suffered even a sniffle since.
My immune feels strengthened. I normally catch anything going around… so these miracle pills have done something to stop any infections… and as it’s prescribed for RA… I’ve never felt better… even my daughter’s bff said to me the other day how healthy I looked!

That was such a lovely compliment.
Before anyone knocks this miracle prescription… it just so happens it’s a well known script that is very restricted for use and I’ve been suspiciously asked by a few including paramedics (during a ambo trip to hospital for unrelated problem) how did I come to get this script!
I did say to the specialist I wish I had this script earlier before I got covid so I wouldn’t have suffered as much… he did an affirmative gesture … then said at least I’m on it now and shouldn’t have that problem again.
Mind you… none will say the obvious… they’re probably not allowed.
There is an unspoken knowingness.
So unless anyone is on this prescription… don’t knock it….
I’ve had no side effects and will see the specialist in a few weeks again.
It’s not for the faint hearted to see specialists with out of pocket expense of a couple hundred $$$$ each time! I’m usually the first one to avoid that… but since I’m impressed….coz it works… it truly is a wonder drug.

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Re: So many now dying suddenly
Reply #364 - Nov 6^th, 2022 at 11:49pm

AusGeoff wrote on Nov 6^th, 2022 at 11:03pm:

LOL... poor old Sir Lastnail. Still refusing to concede he was wrong. Pathetic.

So pathetic in fact that he's dredged up some report from fifteen years
before SARS-CoV-2 even existed.

The conclusions of the report from The National Center for Biotechnology
Information, Martin J, Vincent et al, 22 August 2005:

Chloroquine, a relatively safe, effective and cheap drug used for
treating many human diseases including malaria, amoebiosis and
human immunodeficiency virus is effective in inhibiting the infection
and spread of SARS CoV in cell culture (in vitro).

The fact that the drug has significant inhibitory antiviral effect when
the susceptible cells were treated either prior to or after infection
suggests a possible prophylactic and therapeutic use.

https://i.postimg.cc/g2mwkntQ/FACT-Clinical-trials-confirm-that-hydroxychloroqui...

That was SARS-COV-1, not novel virus SARS-COV-2

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Re: So many now dying suddenly
Reply #365 - Nov 6^th, 2022 at 11:55pm

I think the real danger now with the Pandemic is not wether you take a vaccine jab or not - it's a debate now rendered defaulted.

The danger now is how the world has 'forgotten' about the pandemic and returned back to its usual crap like before the pandemic.

Now, because of this shift in attention and behaviours, more people are dying from Covid (with & without being jabbed) in the UK now than when Covid was of importance 2019, 20 . So expect an accelerated rise in deaths as the world turns it's back on isolating the fires so to speak, lockdowns, masks, social distancing, etc.
Everyone has their miracle jabs now - so get back to work and back to fighting wars and politics, etc.

...but the Virus hasn't gone, its still there, still growing, still morphing to more effective mutations.

You might be lucky with the jabs, etc.
But we are all unlucky in that this Virus is in full swing and ready to not just spread far and wide now with more accessibility, but ready to burn like a Wildfire with an accelerated turnover/passover of infections via an incredible increase of host bodies.

So now you have a 'Boof' hairstyle Sophia?

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Re: So many now dying suddenly
Reply #366 - Nov 7^th, 2022 at 12:53am

AusGeoff wrote on Nov 6^th, 2022 at 10:15pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Nov 6^th, 2022 at 7:38pm:

Sophia wrote on Nov 6^th, 2022 at 6:12pm:

Shell….. the quote got mixed up in your last posting… instead of replying to Geoff… it looks like Lastnail wrote what Geoff wrote… I had to go back and forth to work it out as it seemed odd Grin

Thank you Lols. I see now what I've done. I quoted from a quote. I won't make that mistake again. My apologies to Sir Lastnail. These quotes were from AusGeoff, NOT from Sir Lastnail. Embarrassed

I caught this. No probs.

The only thing I'll query on your detailed response Shell is this...

Quote:

I have no idea what these results from another country have to do with Australia. You're becoming just a victim of your own confirmation bias. You keep ignoring the obvious elephant in the room. Namely, that NO VACCINATED PERSON IS SUPPOSE TO DIE AT ALL!

It doesn't matter from which country I draw my COVID statistics from as long
as that country has a generally comparable population as far as society, wealth,
lifestyle, and medical facilities go. I'm thinking that was just a deflection by you?
So no, I don't accept that using US statistics is confirmation bias at all.

And of course—duh—no vaccinated person is "supposed" to die. (Why the CAPS?)
Which comment is disingenuous and totally misses the point.

According to figures I've posted multiple times here, unvaccinated people are
up to eight time more likely to die of COVID than vaccinated people. And that's
really the end of the story.

The chances of being in an ICU bed in any given week if you’re unvaccinated
is 60 per 1 million people, compared with 8 per 1 million people who have two
or more doses of the vaccine. Image: Australian Academy of Science. Data
based on NSW Health COVID-19 Critical Intelligence Unit: COVID-19 Monitor.
28 April 2022:

I meant no disrespect. And I certainly could have worded my comments differently. The problem that I have, is that I also look at the daily deaths from/with Covid-19, and the number of cases in Australia. I also look at the demographics, the mortality rates, those vaccinated/unvaccinated, those with other comorbidities, and other related factors.

But what I am seeing is that the majority of people dying from this virus are those who are vaccinated. I'm not saying that being vaccinated or unvaccinated, is the causal link between dying from this virus and surviving. That is an unknowable. But, how do I reconcile what you are saying, with what I am seeing everyday?

Also, how is it possible in an over 90% vaccinated population, to have 8 times more vaccinated people dying from this virus? This would mean that for every 1 vaccinated person dying, 8 unvaccinated persons are dying from this virus. I just don't see this in Australia.

This is why I've asked you for relevance and context, when you use stats from other countries. I don't use stats from other countries unless their stats are relevant to my country. There are many factors to consider. including their climate, density, weather, geography, seasonal differences, demographics, and many other factors that must be clear. So quoting stats from other countries, without context or relevance, does matter.

Tell me something? If there was no world media coverage about this virus at all, and given all the same stats(minus lockdowns and restrictions), how would your life have changed in any way? What events would've made you think that there was a pandemic going on? Would you have noticed something that was out of the ordinary? I'm just curious.

Again, I meant no disrespect.

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Reply #367 - Nov 7^th, 2022 at 5:19am

the population are over it.

places that did virtually nothing ended up with the same death rate as places that did long lockdowns

currently china is in lockdown
they arent going that well.

it was a mild virus.

it wasnt species ending

the media, the politicians and big pharma made hay whilst the sun shined but people have now made up their own minds and most people care way more about their mortgage rates then a sniffley virus

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Re: So many now dying suddenly
Reply #368 - Nov 7^th, 2022 at 8:17am

aquascoot wrote on Nov 7^th, 2022 at 5:19am:

the population are over it.

places that did virtually nothing ended up with the same death rate as places that did long lockdowns

currently china is in lockdown
they arent going that well.

it was a mild virus.

it wasnt species ending

the media, the politicians and big pharma made hay whilst the sun shined but people have now made up their own minds and most people care way more about their mortgage rates then a sniffley virus

"The population are over it"
"but people have now made up their own minds"

No - governments and big business have made their minds up for them to be "over it". And, because the majority seem to be mindless sheep these days who believe just about anything the government tells them, they've gone along with it without question.

I don't understand why I have to keep explaining that to you?

aquascoot wrote on Nov 7^th, 2022 at 5:19am:

it was a mild virus.
it wasnt species ending

Was? Wasn't? When was the SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) pandemic declared over? Not declared over by governments, big business and the media, by the way.

Mild? Yeah, OK... whatever you say. But watch out for the after effects, they can be deadly (and unfortunately they are in many cases).

If You’ve Had Covid, Watch Out for Stroke Symptoms

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Harlan Krumholz, a cardiologist at the Yale School of Medicine, says he worries about two kinds of long Covid. There’s the obvious version where people suffer prolonged virus symptoms like fatigue, and a stealthier version in which people recover yet carry an added risk of blood clots and strokes.

He doesn’t want to panic people — most of us will probably be fine. But new studies confirm that some will develop an elevated risk of blood clots, strokes or heart attacks. Given that most people have had Covid by now, everyone should be more vigilant about the early warning signs such as chest pain, unusual swelling, numbness or weakness, or sudden changes in balance, speech or vision.

Funny (not) how these are the sort of issues Sir Nail and others here are blaming on the Covid vaccines.

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A consensus is forming that the lasting damage is caused by inflammation — a necessary part of our immune defense system, but one that can cause harm if it remains in high gear.

Not everyone who gets Covid will suffer serious blood vessel inflammation, but the disease is still something of a roll of the dice — or, as physician Ziyad Al-Aly puts it, Russian Roulette. That doesn’t mean people should despair or panic. Early treatment can save lives, which is why doctors urge people who’ve been infected not to ignore any warning sign, even if they weren’t previously at any known risk.

Al-Aly, who works at the Veterans Affairs St. Louis Health Care System, was one of the first doctors to jump into studying long Covid and, more generally, the aftermath of infection. “Something about SARS-CoV-2 increases propensity to damaging the lining of the blood vessels and increases the probability of blood clotting,” he said.

Just for Sir Nail:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1667691766/3#3

Getting Covid is a sort of Russian Roulette, not having the vaccinations.

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Reply #369 - Nov 7^th, 2022 at 8:23am

Jasin wrote on Nov 6^th, 2022 at 11:55pm:

I think the real danger now with the Pandemic is not wether you take a vaccine jab or not - it's a debate now rendered defaulted.

The danger now is how the world has 'forgotten' about the pandemic and returned back to its usual crap like before the pandemic.

Now, because of this shift in attention and behaviours, more people are dying from Covid (with & without being jabbed) in the UK now than when Covid was of importance 2019, 20 . So expect an accelerated rise in deaths as the world turns it's back on isolating the fires so to speak, lockdowns, masks, social distancing, etc.
Everyone has their miracle jabs now - so get back to work and back to fighting wars and politics, etc.

...but the Virus hasn't gone, its still there, still growing, still morphing to more effective mutations.

You might be lucky with the jabs, etc.
But we are all unlucky in that this Virus is in full swing and ready to not just spread far and wide now with more accessibility, but ready to burn like a Wildfire with an accelerated turnover/passover of infections via an incredible increase of host bodies.

So now you have a 'Boof' hairstyle Sophia?

Omg how did you guess Grin

Just like the good ole “big hair” days of the 1980s !!

Once it gets longer I can manage it better.
And annoyingly it’s grown back curlier than ever!
I was told that women that lose their hair during chemo … even if their hair was straight… it grows back curly.
How weird is all that Huh

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Reply #370 - Nov 7^th, 2022 at 9:21am

Sophia wrote on Nov 7^th, 2022 at 8:23am:

Jasin wrote on Nov 6^th, 2022 at 11:55pm:

I think the real danger now with the Pandemic is not wether you take a vaccine jab or not - it's a debate now rendered defaulted.

The danger now is how the world has 'forgotten' about the pandemic and returned back to its usual crap like before the pandemic.

Now, because of this shift in attention and behaviours, more people are dying from Covid (with & without being jabbed) in the UK now than when Covid was of importance 2019, 20 . So expect an accelerated rise in deaths as the world turns it's back on isolating the fires so to speak, lockdowns, masks, social distancing, etc.
Everyone has their miracle jabs now - so get back to work and back to fighting wars and politics, etc.

...but the Virus hasn't gone, its still there, still growing, still morphing to more effective mutations.

You might be lucky with the jabs, etc.
But we are all unlucky in that this Virus is in full swing and ready to not just spread far and wide now with more accessibility, but ready to burn like a Wildfire with an accelerated turnover/passover of infections via an incredible increase of host bodies.

So now you have a 'Boof' hairstyle Sophia?

Omg how did you guess Grin

Just like the good ole “big hair” days of the 1980s !!

Once it gets longer I can manage it better.
And annoyingly it’s grown back curlier than ever!
I was told that women that lose their hair during chemo … even if their hair was straight… it grows back curly.
How weird is all that Huh

Good on you Lols.
Stoked for you.

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Reply #372 - Nov 7^th, 2022 at 11:15am

ShellShilo wrote on Nov 7^th, 2022 at 12:53am:

But what I am seeing is that the majority of people dying from this virus are those who are vaccinated.

Well, of course - because most people are vaccinated.

It's just basic maths.

If 100% of the population was vaccinated, 100% of people dying from the virus would be vaccinated.

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Reply #373 - Nov 7^th, 2022 at 2:03pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 7^th, 2022 at 11:15am:

ShellShilo wrote on Nov 7^th, 2022 at 12:53am:

But what I am seeing is that the majority of people dying from this virus are those who are vaccinated.

Well, of course - because most people are vaccinated.

It's just basic maths.

If 100% of the population was vaccinated, 100% of people dying from the virus would be vaccinated.

The poster was implying/insinuating that an 8 to 1 death rate existed between the unvaccinated and the vaccinated in Australia. Simply because he found data supporting this, from somewhere outside of Australia. But the daily stats that I'm seeing, clearly show that this is not the case in Australia. The overwhelming majority of these deaths, were people over 65yo, who unfortunately had many different chronic comorbidities. This same category of people was dying before vaccines, and are still dying after vaccines.

Since your comment sounds more like a revelation than common sense, how do you explain the poster's implication? Do you also believe that 8 times more unvaccinated people in Australia, will die from this virus than those who are vaccinated? So you believe, that the condition of our immune system is the only determining factor? Or, do you believe that there are other determining factors?

The public was told that these vaccines would prevent them from becoming infected. That it would lessen their symptoms if they were infected. That it would prevent them from transmitting the virus to others. And, that it would prevent them from dying from the virus. In other words, get a jab, and you would be protected. This pitch was in our face 24/7. All lies and half-truths. They simply manufactured the severity of the crisis, and then created the solution.

Do you think that our natural immune system needs the help of man-made designer antibodies for it to do its job?

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Reply #374 - Nov 7^th, 2022 at 2:30pm

Sophia wrote on Nov 6^th, 2022 at 11:39pm:

AusGeoff wrote on Nov 6^th, 2022 at 11:03pm:

LOL... poor old Sir Lastnail. Still refusing to concede he was wrong. Pathetic.

So pathetic in fact that he's dredged up some report from fifteen years
before SARS-CoV-2 even existed.

The conclusions of the report from The National Center for Biotechnology
Information, Martin J, Vincent et al, 22 August 2005:

Chloroquine, a relatively safe, effective and cheap drug used for
treating many human diseases including malaria, amoebiosis and
human immunodeficiency virus is effective in inhibiting the infection
and spread of SARS CoV in cell culture (in vitro).

The fact that the drug has significant inhibitory antiviral effect when
the susceptible cells were treated either prior to or after infection
suggests a possible prophylactic and therapeutic use.

As I had Covid in January this year… then long covid after… with hair loss…
Since I was prescribed HCQ (and I’m not a fan of taking any prescribed medication) I reluctantly took it… thinking it would do nothing, possibly even give me side effects.

I didn’t take 2 per day (200mg) I took one per day (I’m very sensitive to any medication) so knowing me… I diligently took 1 every day with breakfast.
I’m under strict care with a specialist with extra tests along the way.

What I wasn’t expecting… and fam & friends are commenting… how thick my hair is … OMG… I cannot believe it either. As soon as I started taking HCQ my little hair I had left stopped falling out and grew back so well!
Not only that… I have no more long covid symptoms… nor have I suffered even a sniffle since.
My immune feels strengthened. I normally catch anything going around… so these miracle pills have done something to stop any infections… and as it’s prescribed for RA… I’ve never felt better… even my daughter’s bff said to me the other day how healthy I looked!

That was such a lovely compliment.
Before anyone knocks this miracle prescription… it just so happens it’s a well known script that is very restricted for use and I’ve been suspiciously asked by a few including paramedics (during a ambo trip to hospital for unrelated problem) how did I come to get this script!
I did say to the specialist I wish I had this script earlier before I got covid so I wouldn’t have suffered as much… he did an affirmative gesture … then said at least I’m on it now and shouldn’t have that problem again.
Mind you… none will say the obvious… they’re probably not allowed.
There is an unspoken knowingness.
So unless anyone is on this prescription… don’t knock it….
I’ve had no side effects and will see the specialist in a few weeks again.
It’s not for the faint hearted to see specialists with out of pocket expense of a couple hundred $$$$ each time! I’m usually the first one to avoid that… but since I’m impressed….coz it works… it truly is a wonder drug.

Priceless information. Thank you for sharing, Lols.

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