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Re: climate models are spot on
Reply #30 - May 11^th, 2021 at 6:56pm

freediver wrote on May 11^th, 2021 at 5:49pm:

I see several obvious things on it that would trip the bullshit detector of anyone with half a brain.

Of course you with about a quarter of a brain believe in the models. Grin

freediver wrote on May 11^th, 2021 at 5:49pm:

I have already pointed out most of them in this thread already.

The models

The models

Satellites measure temperature 18km up. (they don't but you say it so authoritatively)

The models

The models

Too funny. And you deny Data from NASA to boot. Grin

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Re: climate models are spot on
Reply #32 - May 14^th, 2021 at 5:46pm

lee wrote on May 11^th, 2021 at 6:56pm:

freediver wrote on May 11^th, 2021 at 5:49pm:

I see several obvious things on it that would trip the bullshit detector of anyone with half a brain.

Of course you with about a quarter of a brain believe in the models. Grin

freediver wrote on May 11^th, 2021 at 5:49pm:

I have already pointed out most of them in this thread already.

The models

The models

Satellites measure temperature 18km up. (they don't but you say it so authoritatively)

The models

The models

Too funny. And you deny Data from NASA to boot. Grin

You are full of crap Lee. I have pointed out your idiotic lies several times already. All you do is repeat them.

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Re: climate models are spot on
Reply #33 - May 14^th, 2021 at 6:11pm

freediver wrote on May 14^th, 2021 at 5:46pm:

I have pointed out your idiotic lies several times already.

Like this?
freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2021 at 6:02pm:

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

Oh look, 0.86 degree temperature rise since 1983 - pretty much bang in the middle of those predictions.

lee wrote on Apr 28^th, 2021 at 10:32pm:

1983    0.31 0.21
1984    0.16    0.21
1985    0.12    0.22
1986    0.18    0.24
1987    0.32    0.27
1988    0.39    0.31
1989    0.27    0.33
1990    0.45    0.33
1991    0.41    0.33
1992    0.22    0.33
1993    0.23    0.33
1994    0.32    0.34
1995    0.45    0.37
1996    0.33    0.40
1997    0.46    0.42
1998    0.61    0.44
1999    0.38    0.47
2000    0.39    0.50
2001    0.54    0.52
2002    0.63    0.55
2003    0.62    0.59
2004    0.54    0.61
2005    0.68    0.62
2006    0.64    0.63
2007    0.67    0.64
2008    0.55    0.64
2009    0.66    0.65
2010    0.72    0.65
2011    0.61    0.67
2012    0.65    0.70
2013    0.68    0.74
2014    0.75    0.79
2015    0.90    0.83
2016    1.02    0.88
2017    0.93    0.91
2018    0.85    0.95
2019    0.98    0.98
2020    1.02    1.01

https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/graph_data/Global_Mean_Estimates_based...

0.71 since 1983 Roll Eyes

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2021 at 9:21pm:

I see now why you were so embarrassed to post the link - it is based on measured troposphere data, ie up to 18km high.

It is based on Lower Troposphere - where we live.

All these lies petal. Why do you do it? Roll Eyes

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Re: climate models are spot on
Reply #34 - May 16^th, 2021 at 8:46am

You are full of crap Lee.

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0.71 since 1983

It is bleeding obvious to anyone with half a brain that I was talking about the fitted curve. You know this is a lie, which is why you went to the trouble of digging out the numbers rather than posting the graph we were discussing at the time.

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It is based on Lower Troposphere - where we live.

Again, anyone with half a brain could see through this BS. It is clearly based on temperature data from a different location to the predictions. You tell the same idiotic lie over and over again. You are using lower troposphere data from around the equator to prove that the predictions for global surface temperature were wrong. Your efforts paint climate skeptics as morons who will believe anything.

You are full of crap Lee.

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Re: climate models are spot on
Reply #35 - May 16^th, 2021 at 12:56pm

freediver wrote on May 16^th, 2021 at 8:46am:

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0.71 since 1983

It is bleeding obvious to anyone with half a brain that I was talking about the fitted curve.

You were the one posted the graph. The graph from which I posted the data. I can't help it if you can't subtract two numbers. Even the smoothed data says 0.8C not 0.86C. Grin

freediver wrote on May 16^th, 2021 at 8:46am:

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It is based on Lower Troposphere - where we live.

Again, anyone with half a brain could see through this BS. It is clearly based on temperature data from a different location to the predictions. You tell the same idiotic lie over and over again. You are using lower troposphere data from around the equator to prove that the predictions for global surface temperature were wrong.

Wrong again petal. You can't even research before you post crap.

"The RSS lower tropospheric temperature dataset (TLT) has been upgraded to Version 4.0. "

http://www.remss.com/blog/faq-about-v40-tlt-update/

Nothing to do with the tropics apart from them being a part of the dataset.

So obviously now you have no brain.

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Re: climate models are spot on
Reply #36 - May 18^th, 2021 at 6:13pm

lee wrote on May 16^th, 2021 at 12:56pm:

freediver wrote on May 16^th, 2021 at 8:46am:

Quote:
0.71 since 1983

It is bleeding obvious to anyone with half a brain that I was talking about the fitted curve.

You were the one posted the graph. The graph from which I posted the data. I can't help it if you can't subtract two numbers. Even the smoothed data says 0.8C not 0.86C. Grin

You posted some of the data. Like I said, to anyone with half a brain, it is obvious from looking at the graph.

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freediver wrote on May 16^th, 2021 at 8:46am:

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It is based on Lower Troposphere - where we live.

Again, anyone with half a brain could see through this BS. It is clearly based on temperature data from a different location to the predictions. You tell the same idiotic lie over and over again. You are using lower troposphere data from around the equator to prove that the predictions for global surface temperature were wrong.

Wrong again petal. You can't even research before you post crap.

"The RSS lower tropospheric temperature dataset (TLT) has been upgraded to Version 4.0. "

http://www.remss.com/blog/faq-about-v40-tlt-update/

Nothing to do with the tropics apart from them being a part of the dataset.

So obviously now you have no brain.

Earth to Lee: the lower troposphere temperature is different from the surface temperature. Only a complete idiot would try to use one to discredit the other. A true moron. You have even posted evidence before that provided different measured data for the surface and lower troposphere.

But please, continue.

I also just saw a previous post from you comparing
* the mid troposphere temperature to the predicted surface temperature
* the temperature of the ocean surface with predicted air temnperatures
How stupid are the skeptics to go to the trouble of plotting and disseminating this crap without realising they are not comparing the same thing?

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Re: climate models are spot on
Reply #37 - May 18^th, 2021 at 7:35pm

freediver wrote on May 18^th, 2021 at 6:13pm:

Like I said, to anyone with half a brain, it is obvious from looking at the graph.

Yes you showed you can't subtract two numbers. That's the half brain you lost. Wink

freediver wrote on May 18^th, 2021 at 6:13pm:

Earth to Lee: the lower troposphere temperature is different from the surface temperature.

You are right petal. But I suggest you learn about adiabatic lapse rate.

freediver wrote on May 18^th, 2021 at 6:13pm:

Only a complete idiot would try to use one to discredit the other. A true moron.

So you think NASA are true morons? That's enlightening. Grin

"Satellite Thermometers Show Earth Has a Fever
4.21.04

Turns out moms and dads aren't the only ones whom rely on thermometers to test for a "fever" ...scientists do too! Thanks to satellite technology, climate researchers now have more evidence that our planet has experienced abnormal warmth for at least two decades."

https://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/environment/Earth_Temperature.html

So to recap. NASA uses the satellite data. It is the only way to get a truly "global" temperature. Although averaging temperature is definitely a no-no.

They use both REMSS AND UAH products. There is a slight difference between REMSS and UAH. The same as there is a difference between NOAA, NASA and HadCRUt. It doesn't nullify any one specifically. Wink

So tell us more on what you know about the climate models petal. The parameters used, the physics used? Grin

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