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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35975 Gender:	Re: The High Court overreaches Reply #120 - Feb 16^th, 2020 at 11:06am Gnads wrote on Feb 16^th, 2020 at 11:01am: mothra wrote on Feb 16^th, 2020 at 10:58am: No worries Doomer Closest i'll get to an apology. I'll take it.
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Reply #121 - Feb 16^th, 2020 at 2:25pm

Easy - if the reason for non-deportation is ties to traditional land - they must reside ONLY on traditional land... as I posted in the other thread - that way their known criminal behaviour will only be inflicted on their own and their own will deal with it and them.

Outside of that - it remains a simple matter of you are either a citizen or you are not... no Irish person can automatically claim Irish residency without deportation etc on the basis of traditional ties.

Ethnicity is irrelevant to citizenship - and Aboriginality is ethnicity, not anything else, and must be treated as such.

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Reply #122 - Feb 16^th, 2020 at 2:32pm

mothra wrote on Feb 16^th, 2020 at 11:06am:

Gnads wrote on Feb 16^th, 2020 at 11:01am:

mothra wrote on Feb 16^th, 2020 at 10:58am:

No worries Doomer

Closest i'll get to an apology.

I'll take it.

You can dream about taking something you didn't get ...... sometimes imagination is a good thing.

But you're just being the empty vessel.

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Reply #123 - Feb 16^th, 2020 at 2:44pm

Gnads wrote on Feb 16^th, 2020 at 2:32pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 16^th, 2020 at 11:06am:

Gnads wrote on Feb 16^th, 2020 at 11:01am:

mothra wrote on Feb 16^th, 2020 at 10:58am:

No worries Doomer

Closest i'll get to an apology.

I'll take it.

You can dream about taking something you didn't get ...... sometimes imagination is a good thing.

But you're just being the empty vessel.

Is this video one of those ageist and generationalist nonsenses providing no solid answer to anything trotted about for the indoctrination of the useful tools out there, who somehow imagine they can cure all the world's problems by blaming groups - and yet if anyone blamed a group - such as Aborigines - for the highest rate of violence etc, these same useful tools would screech from the rooftops?

Amazing... simply amazing...

** enter stage left, Greta screeching empty platitudes and chorus repeating "how dare you.. how dare you.. how dare you.. how dare you - sotto voce**

Grin

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Reply #124 - Feb 16^th, 2020 at 2:49pm

How many New Guineans will be demanding citizenship now that any Aboriginal connection is all the rage?

This 'ruling' also opens the way for its opposite - the exclusion of specified groups on the basis of ethnicity.... keep thinking people... only a fool imagines that this Racial Non-Purity Law is any different from any Racial Purity Law.

This now demands that a test of Indigenous proportion be in play - if you are only 49% Aboriginal you can be deported if you are a non-citizen - 51% and you can stay (on tribal lands only).... multiple classes of citizen, innit?

Then Wyatt will have to drop his charade of being 'Indigenous' and playing it to the hilt, and can apologise to Cashman. We need the right to elect our Ministers...... not the dopey Parliament clowns.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 50695 Gender:	Re: The High Court overreaches Reply #125 - Feb 16^th, 2020 at 4:10pm Many Indians and Sri Lankans look very much like Aborigines, and no wonder https://www.pnas.org/content/110/5/1803 If An Irishman can be Aborigine, why not Indians?
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Reply #126 - Feb 16^th, 2020 at 4:26pm

That's why the whole thing is a nonsense - you live where you live when you live... otherwise you could go on and on making fine distinctions while overlooking the simple reality that you are seeking preferential treatment on the basis of some flimsy point... that's why we had Common Law - now we have Common Law and High Court Law... malleable at any time to suit any prevailing wind.

Defeats the entire purpose of having these courts as they are supposed to be constituted.

Tenez Le Droit - does not translate to Tenuous Rot.

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Reply #127 - Feb 16^th, 2020 at 5:11pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Feb 16^th, 2020 at 4:26pm:

overlooking the simple reality that you are seeking preferential treatment on the basis of some flimsy point...
Tenez Le Droit - does not translate to Tenuous Rot.

"Sydney man, Bill Gertos, took possession of a home in 1998, after its occupant died.

After noticing the abandoned property, he changed the locks, performed renovations and rented it out, before recently bringing a court application to apply for ownership.

The test Mr Gertos needed to prove to be entitled to legal ownership of the land was:

He had uninterrupted possession of the property for at least 12 years (the same applies in Queensland and Western Australia, however in Victoria and South Australia it is 15 years)."

11 years pass. "Mr Gertos that's my dad's house."
"Oh no it's not heh heh..It's all mine".
"It would be in 5 days, but now it's mine"
"5 days?"
"5 days".

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Reply #128 - Feb 16^th, 2020 at 6:20pm

chimera wrote on Feb 16^th, 2020 at 5:11pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Feb 16^th, 2020 at 4:26pm:

overlooking the simple reality that you are seeking preferential treatment on the basis of some flimsy point...
Tenez Le Droit - does not translate to Tenuous Rot.

"Sydney man, Bill Gertos, took possession of a home in 1998, after its occupant died.

After noticing the abandoned property, he changed the locks, performed renovations and rented it out, before recently bringing a court application to apply for ownership.

The test Mr Gertos needed to prove to be entitled to legal ownership of the land was:

He had uninterrupted possession of the property for at least 12 years (the same applies in Queensland and Western Australia, however in Victoria and South Australia it is 15 years)."

11 years pass. "Mr Gertos that's my dad's house."
"Oh no it's not heh heh..It's all mine".
"It would be in 5 days, but now it's mine"
"5 days?"
"5 days".

Big stretch - a hell of a lot different from saying that you 'own' several thousand square kilometres because your ancestors walked on it... while you sit in town and drink beer at the club and hit the pokies on 'pay day/rent day'.

Where is the 'uninterrupted possession' from a few people of any group living in rented town homes owned by government and given on social security, of countless thousands of square kilometres?

Where is their title? In the air? In their heads? In their memories?

In that case, anyone can claim that kind of ownership on any whim... bet they wouldn't get it, though.

This nonsense has to stop now - set a time limit on claims, set standards, and then it's over and done. If you haven't lived the traditional life there you cannot claim traditional ownership, and no more claims will be entertained after a specified date.

Speak now or forever hold your peace, and try to earn ownership and respect by your actions.

** My ancestors ranged from Melbourne (now Melbadishu) to Far North Queensland.... might have to make a traditional ownership claim meself...

One law for all - or none at all.

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Reply #129 - Feb 16^th, 2020 at 6:52pm

How does someone from the New England area, who decided to settle in Nambucca Heads ten years ago - get to claim 'traditional ownership' of Nambucca Heads? Just some loose affiliation unrecorded with the locals?

Where are the records, including births etc, to PROVE that people actually have a claim?

How would YOU go claiming a house in Little Bay or Darling Point that way? come in, rent a flat for ten years, get a 'tribal affiliation' and then say it's YOUR land?

Most of these Aboriginals are NOT locals at all - so what now? Are they claiming the entire nation as their personal property?

Are they then going to take care of everyone in this nation at this time out of their own pockets, and run everything in that nation? Cool

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 13182 Armidale Gender:	Re: The High Court overreaches Reply #130 - Feb 16^th, 2020 at 7:02pm Relaxation music is very helpful . Use with dim lights and suitable cushions and breathe slowly.
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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16870 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: The High Court overreaches Reply #131 - Feb 16^th, 2020 at 7:03pm chimera wrote on Feb 16^th, 2020 at 7:02pm: Relaxation music is very helpful . Use with dim lights and suitable cushions and breathe slowly. I prefer my method. A good woman is very helpful . Use with dim lights and suitable cushions and breathe slowly. But whatever floats your boat.
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 13182 Armidale Gender:	Re: The High Court overreaches Reply #132 - Feb 16^th, 2020 at 7:42pm It's Grappler's pulse and blood pressure that concern me. You may be correct but is he up to it?
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Reply #133 - Feb 17^th, 2020 at 12:07am

Over 800 years of creating at least the facsimile of equal treatment under Law for all - and you lot want to throw it away on nothing of value, just because you 'feel' it without any solid foundation.

Don't blame me when your rights are gone..... send not to ask for whom the bell tolls................. it tolls for thee! I'm the one who stood tall when it counted... but you didn't see it.

One Law For All - or No Law At All!

Think it through, Grasshoppers. Those are your choices.

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Sir Grappler Truth Teller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 87314 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: The High Court overreaches Reply #134 - Feb 17^th, 2020 at 12:09am chimera wrote on Feb 16^th, 2020 at 7:02pm: Relaxation music is very helpful . Use with dim lights and suitable cushions and breathe slowly. Try that mirror sometime.... you might see something you do not wish to see... I KNEW you had no reply to the position posed..... nobody expected any more from you...
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