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Reply #91 - Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:49pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:48pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:44pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:37pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:36pm:
But perhaps the bitterest pill to swallow is the blatant double standards.



are we still pretending it was about the tweet?

Ok then! Cheesy Cheesy


Personally I never did understand what was wrong with the tweet and why it got people into such a lather. Come to think of it, I don't recall hearing any actual diggers object to it either - and indeed I did hear some who supported it. Seems to me it was an astute observation that was very much relevant to the ANZAC theme (all people referenced were victims of war)
What's your opinion on cartoons of the prophet?


There are many.  Which are you referring to?
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Reply #92 - Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:49pm
 
Recount will do... endless repetition doeth no good and maketh not the truth...

Just saying... old Goebbels tried that one on.... then the Berliners began to count the Allied bombers oveheard..



A mix of B-17Fs and Gs - the G had the chin turret, but some Fs were retro-fitted....

A bit like the Spitfires and Hurricanes in the Battle of Britain - in which 70% were Hurricanes - there were more Liberators than fortresses in the US Air Forces.... but the poor old Lib doesn't get much of a mention...

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Reply #93 - Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:51pm
 
Gandalf I recall you were opposed to 18c. Yet you support the Victorian legislation that Blair Cottrel is being charged with. As far as I can tell, the Victorian legislation is worse. What makes you support it but not 18c?

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What aspects? Well the whole threatening to rape her thing for a start. You apparently don't think its a problem because it just happened that the threats didn't cause her to self censor.


Celebrities get wierd threats all the time. It sucks, but it is not really a freedom of speech issue. And you are correct that I do not take the threat seriously, and I do not think she does either. All her public comments I have seen were directed at the broader population for turning against her, basically labelling them all Islamophobes and playing the victim card. The first I even heard of the rape threats was one of the apologists here (John Smith I think) digging them up to try to change the subject when it was pointed out to him that all his shrill Islamophobia victimhood mongering on her behalf was based entirely on his own ignorance of what was going on. He quoted the threats. I googled the text. The only site that produced matching text was this forum.

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But what concerns me even more is that it seems to be whenever a tinted muslim woman in a headscarf speaks out, we get the same routine of a) gang rape threats and b) high shrill demands for her to be deported.


No we don't. Any such threats get a lot more publicity, but that does not mean they are any more common for Muslim celebrities.

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But perhaps the bitterest pill to swallow is the blatant double standards. Case in point - in 2015 when a liberal MP did exactly what Yasminn was accused and given rape threats for - politicising ANZAC day, by making a crass comment about veterans benefiting from negative gearing. Did he get death threats, rape threats and calls for his deportation? Of course not.


How do you know this? I would expect politicians get much worse in the mail. They just don't get all hysterical about it and use it to further their attention whoring agenda, or at least, their apologists do not.

This is just another example of reflexive Islamic victimhood mongering.

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Bullying against those who speak up against racism and bigotry is always worse when the speaker is a woman


She said Islam is the most feminist religion of all. She was not speaking out against bigotry, she was facilitating it. That is why everyone turned against her. There are plenty of Muslim feminists tackling the real issues. I believe some have even been championed in this thread. They stand in stark contrast to Yassmin.

Do you think this cartoon is a fair caricature of Yassmin's efforts to stand up to bigotry?

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Re: Freedom of Speech for Unpopular People
Reply #94 - Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:51pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:49pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:48pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:44pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:37pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:36pm:
But perhaps the bitterest pill to swallow is the blatant double standards.



are we still pretending it was about the tweet?

Ok then! Cheesy Cheesy


Personally I never did understand what was wrong with the tweet and why it got people into such a lather. Come to think of it, I don't recall hearing any actual diggers object to it either - and indeed I did hear some who supported it. Seems to me it was an astute observation that was very much relevant to the ANZAC theme (all people referenced were victims of war)
What's your opinion on cartoons of the prophet?


There are many.  Which are you referring to?
are you Gandalf?
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Reply #95 - Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:51pm
 
I tend to agree with Gandalf there - that tweet was not a slight on ANZAC - perhaps in poor taste, but not a slight...
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Reply #96 - Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:52pm
 
but..... but .... but... freedom of speech rules are only there so unpopular people can get a say..... how else would they get in?
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Reply #97 - Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:55pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:51pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:49pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:48pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:44pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:37pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:36pm:
But perhaps the bitterest pill to swallow is the blatant double standards.



are we still pretending it was about the tweet?

Ok then! Cheesy Cheesy


Personally I never did understand what was wrong with the tweet and why it got people into such a lather. Come to think of it, I don't recall hearing any actual diggers object to it either - and indeed I did hear some who supported it. Seems to me it was an astute observation that was very much relevant to the ANZAC theme (all people referenced were victims of war)
What's your opinion on cartoons of the prophet?


There are many.  Which are you referring to?
are you Gandalf?


Pretend I am, and answer the question.
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Reply #98 - Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:56pm
 
Ye Grappler wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:51pm:
I tend to agree with Gandalf there - that tweet was not a slight on ANZAC - perhaps in poor taste, but not a slight...
Muslims hold the prophet dearly. That's why they rioted and murdered with a silly cartoon. Australians hold ANZAC Day very dearly because with many people it's intertwined with family both deceased and alive. For a Muslim (who aren't popular at the moment) to use the words about not forgetting our war dead to make a political swipe at our country pissed people off. They are similar incidents.
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Reply #99 - Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:57pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:55pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:51pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:49pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:48pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:44pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:37pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:36pm:
But perhaps the bitterest pill to swallow is the blatant double standards.



are we still pretending it was about the tweet?

Ok then! Cheesy Cheesy


Personally I never did understand what was wrong with the tweet and why it got people into such a lather. Come to think of it, I don't recall hearing any actual diggers object to it either - and indeed I did hear some who supported it. Seems to me it was an astute observation that was very much relevant to the ANZAC theme (all people referenced were victims of war)
What's your opinion on cartoons of the prophet?


There are many.  Which are you referring to?
are you Gandalf?


Pretend I am, and answer the question.
I made my point.
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Reply #100 - Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:58pm
 
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I made my point.


Really.....to make an idiot of yourself?
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Reply #101 - Jul 30th, 2017 at 7:36pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:39pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:37pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:36pm:
But perhaps the bitterest pill to swallow is the blatant double standards.



are we still pretending it was about the tweet?

Ok then! Cheesy Cheesy
I bet you weren't crying when Pauline Hanson copped all that s hit for her comments??


I also didn't call for her to be raped or murdered.
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Reply #102 - Jul 30th, 2017 at 7:38pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:44pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:37pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:36pm:
But perhaps the bitterest pill to swallow is the blatant double standards.



are we still pretending it was about the tweet?

Ok then! Cheesy Cheesy


Personally I never did understand what was wrong with the tweet and why it got people into such a lather. Come to think of it, I don't recall hearing any actual diggers object to it either - and indeed I did hear some who supported it. Seems to me it was an astute observation that was very much relevant to the ANZAC theme (all people referenced were victims of war)


I agree. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the tweet. I also recall seeing diggers defend her comments at the time.
But the Islamphobes needed some fodder and that was ripe for the picking
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Reply #103 - Jul 30th, 2017 at 7:39pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:47pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:43pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:42pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:41pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:39pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:37pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:36pm:
But perhaps the bitterest pill to swallow is the blatant double standards.



are we still pretending it was about the tweet?

Ok then! Cheesy Cheesy
I bet you weren't crying when Pauline Hanson copped all that s hit for her comments??



Pauline Hanson has said a great deal more with a great many fewer consequences.
Yasmin hasn't been thrown in jail on rubbish charges hey??


They were rubbish charges?
Oh yes. She was acquitted of all charges.


you should ask Abbott about the those charges, he's the one crying the most about free speech. Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #104 - Jul 30th, 2017 at 7:40pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:57pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:55pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:51pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:49pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:48pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:44pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:37pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:36pm:
But perhaps the bitterest pill to swallow is the blatant double standards.



are we still pretending it was about the tweet?

Ok then! Cheesy Cheesy


Personally I never did understand what was wrong with the tweet and why it got people into such a lather. Come to think of it, I don't recall hearing any actual diggers object to it either - and indeed I did hear some who supported it. Seems to me it was an astute observation that was very much relevant to the ANZAC theme (all people referenced were victims of war)
What's your opinion on cartoons of the prophet?


There are many.  Which are you referring to?
are you Gandalf?


Pretend I am, and answer the question.
I made my point.


if that was making your point then your point could only have been to look the fool ..... job done!
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