Australian Politics Forum - Broken Promises and Stolen Senate Seats

freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48816 At my desk.	Re: Broken Promises and Stolen Senate Seats Reply #15 - Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 12:39pm This is going to go on for at least 3 years. Probably a decade.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48816 At my desk.	Re: Broken Promises and Stolen Senate Seats Reply #16 - Apr 1^st, 2017 at 11:04am A thread on how current Senators intend to deal with this unresolved issue: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1490934119
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Re: Broken Promises and Stolen Senate Seats
Reply #17 - Apr 1^st, 2017 at 11:13am

freediver wrote on Sep 28^th, 2016 at 6:18pm:

I think you lot need to put this into perspective. This is a politics forum on a politics website. The outcome of a federal election has been stolen. Both major parties have broken promises they made clearly and repeatedly to the Australian public. An important electoral reform has been destroyed. There will be legislative outcomes, and possibly constitutional outcomes also. The media was complicit through their incompetent reporting on the matter. We should have 100 threads on this topic by the time it is done. We probably will. I really don't understand why anyone would want to go to any effort to downplay this, unless they are happy to subvert democracy to get the political outcome they want. It's not like any of you are being forced to post here and just want to talk about the cricket. Why bother posting on a politics forum about your lack of interest in such an important political issue? You have all been here long enough to realise you can pick and choose what topics interest you. I am thinking of starting one new thread on this for every complaint posted by Aussie.

ohhhhhh if only you were interested in the GAY industry and how many gay members you have here.

almost every thread gets turned into a GAY topic..by the usual group.. Roll Eyes

they know who they are?

yet nothing is done to stop that??>>.yes this is a political forum I agree.....but most threads are turned into a personal abuse thread..

how do you account for that???..

is good to see you taking notice though...

even if it is self interest.. Sad

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can you tell me what you expect Mr and Mrs average to do about the senate,..

if I had my way we would try to do without the bludging bench warmers...

they are costing this country and for bugger all.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48816 At my desk.	Re: Broken Promises and Stolen Senate Seats Reply #18 - Apr 1^st, 2017 at 11:32am Quote: can you tell me what you expect Mr and Mrs average to do about the senate,.. Write to the twelve senators from your state. Ask them the question posed in the link, and post any responses you get in the link: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1490934119
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Re: Broken Promises and Stolen Senate Seats
Reply #19 - Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 10:27am

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2017 at 11:32am:

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can you tell me what you expect Mr and Mrs average to do about the senate,..

Write to the twelve senators from your state. Ask them the question posed in the link, and post any responses you get in the link:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1490934119

think I will wait and see what responses you get first up??..

Roll Eyes

after all you voted for these people..

every australian does have a choice....well last I heard we did..

and still they keep voting for senators..

in fact to read some of our lefty chums on here...the more the senate stuffs up the elected govt the better they like it.. Roll Eyes

what do they care who or how long they are there.. as long as they are stopping the govt from working.. Angry

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AiA Gold Member Offline Posts: 18405 Gender:	Re: Broken Promises and Stolen Senate Seats Reply #20 - Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 1:05pm I'd much rather read about FD's hemorrhoid cushion ...
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Reply #21 - Apr 5^th, 2017 at 7:45pm

This could set the cat among the pigeons:

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Family First ex-senator Bob Day's election ruled invalid by High Court

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-05/family-first-bob-day-election-ruled-invali...

Former Family First senator Bob Day was not validly elected at last year's federal poll, the High Court has found.

In order to determine his replacement, a special recount of Senate ballots in South Australia will be held.

At the moment Labor and Liberal have a cosy relationship where they each gain one Senate seat by breaking their promise to each other. If the Senate recount in South Australia produces different outcomes with the two different methods, one of the major parties may suddenly rediscover its spine.

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Re: Broken Promises and Stolen Senate Seats
Reply #22 - Apr 6^th, 2017 at 8:35pm

South Australia Senate recount could be perfect storm

http://www.ozpolitic.com

The South Australian Senate recount could upset a cosy, but thoroughly undemocratic agreement between Labor and the Coalition. Senator Bob Day has been disqualified and stripped of his Senate position, forcing a recount of the South Australian Senate votes from the last federal election. After the election last year, Labor and the Coalition agreed to break a repeated promise they had made to each other and to the Australian public, in the form of two bipartisan Senate resolutions to use a new, fairer method to allocate long term (6 year) Senate terms after a double dissolution election. As a result, they each get an extra Senate seat from 2019 to 2022. In NSW, Labor’s Deborah O’Neill stole a seat from the Greens’ Lee Rhiannon. In Victoria, the Liberal’s Scott Ryan stole a seat from Derryn Hinch.

This was an unusual outcome. Under almost any other circumstances, the major parties would have held each other to account on their promise. If the two vote counting methods produce different outcomes in South Australia, those "other circumstances" could come back to unravel the agreement. If one of the major parties gains or loses a seat because of the vote counting method, there is a good chance that one of them will decide it is no longer in their interest to keep the agreement they made last year. They may decide to keep the promise they repeatedly made to the Australian public. This would of course be acutely embarrassing for them. They managed the media coverage so well last year that almost no media outlets mentioned the broken promises, so they would have a lot of explaining to do.

Fingers crossed for interesting times ahead.

More information: http://www.ozpolitic.com/electoral-reform/broken-promises-stolen-senate-seats.ht...

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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 21389 ACT Gender:	Re: Broken Promises and Stolen Senate Seats Reply #23 - Apr 7^th, 2017 at 9:31am posted in wrong topic...Damn!
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Broken Promises and Stolen Senate Seats Reply #24 - Apr 7^th, 2017 at 11:48am Redmond Neck wrote on Apr 7^th, 2017 at 9:31am: posted in wrong topic...Damn! No thats ok Red - FD really appreciates any sort of reply to something he is literally the only person on the planet who cares about.
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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Broken Promises and Stolen Senate Seats Reply #25 - Apr 7^th, 2017 at 8:13pm freediver wrote on Sep 28^th, 2016 at 6:18pm: I am thinking of starting one new thread on this for every complaint posted by Aussie. As an inveterate whinger, Aussie never disappoints. Don't wait, you'd better start right now to keep up with him.
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Mod. Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 1195 Gender:	Re: Broken Promises and Stolen Senate Seats Reply #26 - Apr 7^th, 2017 at 8:28pm Effendi, why have you spammed the entire Forum with this tedious crap only you give a stuff about?
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Auggie Gold Member Offline The Bull Moose Posts: 8571	Re: Broken Promises and Stolen Senate Seats Reply #27 - Apr 7^th, 2017 at 11:01pm So, what would the electoral reform be? Do we change the voting system from STV to an open-list system where the elector chooses ONE person on a list? The issue is with the downstream of preferences, in my view.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48816 At my desk.	Re: Broken Promises and Stolen Senate Seats Reply #28 - Apr 8^th, 2017 at 8:21am This particular issue is about how six year senate terms are allocated after a double dissolution election. It will probably take a referendum to resolve adequately.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48816 At my desk.	Re: Broken Promises and Stolen Senate Seats Reply #29 - Apr 8^th, 2017 at 2:20pm I have now had two politicians from two different parties tell me that the recount method was used in 2016. In fact, the order-elected method was used.
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