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GordyL Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4365 Hate Town Gender:	Neil deGrasse Tyson on Islam Apr 22^nd, 2016 at 11:52pm Oh no, oh dear. What a racist. https://staffanspersonalityblog.wordpress.com/2013/08/11/richard-dawkins-upsets-...
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GordyL Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4365 Hate Town Gender:	Re: Neil deGrasse Tyson on Islam Reply #1 - Apr 23^rd, 2016 at 10:53am Neil blames Islam.
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GordyL Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4365 Hate Town Gender:	Re: Neil deGrasse Tyson on Islam Reply #2 - Apr 23^rd, 2016 at 12:46pm I blame the Koran
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Neil deGrasse Tyson on Islam Reply #3 - Apr 23^rd, 2016 at 12:49pm "No greater scientific golden in the history of man" than the Islamic golden age. Ooops! Here's another spineless apologist FD - better show him your graphs to set him straight.
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Re: Neil deGrasse Tyson on Islam
Reply #4 - Apr 23^rd, 2016 at 1:05pm

My goodness Gordy, thats about the exact opposite to what I was expecting.

He doesn't blame Islam - if he did then he wouldn't be singing the praises of Islam's "cultural heritage" of the Golden Age. All he's saying is that its time for muslims to return to what they were. He could only do this if he believed Islam was inherently anti-Science. If he did he'd have to be doing FD-like mental gymnastics to try and prove how Islam never had any scientific tradition - instead of praising the past achievements of Islam.

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Reply #5 - Apr 23^rd, 2016 at 2:10pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2016 at 1:05pm:

My goodness Gordy, thats about the exact opposite to what I was expecting.

He doesn't blame Islam - if he did then he wouldn't be singing the praises of Islam's "cultural heritage" of the Golden Age. All he's saying is that its time for muslims to return to what they were. He could only do this if he believed Islam was inherently anti-Science. If he did he'd have to be doing FD-like mental gymnastics to try and prove how Islam never had any scientific tradition - instead of praising the past achievements of Islam.

So you're telling me that of the 1400 year history of Islam there were 300 productive years which occured mostly towards the beginning of the religion when there was free sharing of ideas.

So how do you plan to turn the clock back and reverse the majority of the history of Islam which has been a scientific desert......since that 300 year golden age which occured in ancient history?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Neil deGrasse Tyson on Islam Reply #6 - Apr 23^rd, 2016 at 2:22pm GordyL wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2016 at 2:10pm: So how do you plan to turn the clock back and reverse the majority of the history of Islam which has been a scientific desert......since that 300 year golden age which occured in ancient history? ban Islam?
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Reply #7 - Apr 23^rd, 2016 at 2:33pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2016 at 2:22pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2016 at 2:10pm:

So how do you plan to turn the clock back and reverse the majority of the history of Islam which has been a scientific desert......since that 300 year golden age which occured in ancient history?

ban Islam?

Saudi Arabia and any Muslim country can be as Islamic as they please. In Australia we should Demand 100% secularism with no pandering to Islam.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Neil deGrasse Tyson on Islam Reply #8 - Apr 23^rd, 2016 at 2:35pm GordyL wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2016 at 2:33pm: In Australia we should Demand 100% secularism with no pandering to Islam. ...in order to create more muslim nobel laureates?
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Reply #9 - Apr 23^rd, 2016 at 2:41pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2016 at 2:35pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2016 at 2:33pm:

In Australia we should Demand 100% secularism with no pandering to Islam.

...in order to create more muslim nobel laureates?

Nah, more anti biotics, Internet, cochlear implants, polio vaccines, dusk sensing headlights,..secular jurisprudence.....you know, all the stuff that's been invented in countries without Islam.

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Reply #10 - Apr 23^rd, 2016 at 11:34pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2016 at 12:49pm:

"No greater scientific golden in the history of man" than the Islamic golden age.

Ooops! Here's another spineless apologist FD - better show him your graphs to set him straight.

"......the Islamic golden age."

What a pathetic and disingenuous fraud upon mankind such claims are.

Any rational person [with a previous experience in dealing with any moslem and their 'pronouncements'], must simply take any moslem account of ANYTHING, as an absolute fabrication/lie.
[......unless he has irrefutable hard evidence confirming any moslem claim.]

Q.
The reason ?

Moslems 'confuse' truth with lies.

i.e.
Any [seemingly irrefutable] lie, which portrays ISLAM/moslems in a good light, has always been 'forged' into a 'confirmed historic truth' by moslem 'blacksmiths'.

Moslems are inveterate LIARS.

Every culture on the planet, who has had dealings with the moslem knows this claim to be the truth.

Moslems are unashamed, barefaced LIARS.

That, is what mankind's historic interaction with 'the moslem' has confirmed.

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Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1409737480/42#42
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Whenever moslems write accounts of history,

.....it has been shown time and time again, that moslems will shamelessly fabricate the 'history' of some past circumstance or event, so as to favour some current moslem interest.

And these false historical accounts which moslems 'produce' as evidence, invariably always portray moslems, in their current conflicts [with their enemies], as correct/virtuous/or as victims of injustice.

e.g.

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Chief Muslim claims Jewish Temples never existed
March 15, 2007
"....The Jewish Temples never existed.......descriptions of the Jewish Temples in the Hebrew Tanach, in the Talmud and in Byzantine and Roman writings from the Temple periods were forged, and that the Torah was falsified to claim Biblical patriarchs and matriarchs were Jewish when indeed they were prophets for Islam."

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=40628

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Temple Mount '100% Islamic'
June 01, 2008
"....Taysir Tamimi, chief Palestinian Justice and one of the most influential Muslim leaders in Israel, argued the Jewish Temples never existed,...."

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=65919

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DECEITFUL, WITH A MALICIOUS INTENT.....

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Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami

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How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...

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A Study in Muslim Doctrine

"...while sincere friendship with non-Muslims is forbidden,

insincere friendship - whenever beneficial to Muslims - is not."

http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine

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Yadda said........
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QUESTION;
How can we know when moslems are lying to us [about ISLAM, or about their true motives, towards us] ?

ANSWER;

We can't.

But it is a sure bet, that moslems are lying to us, and often!!

I do go on, and on, ....and on.

I feel like i should apologise.

......but i'm not going to.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Dustwun Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 545 Igloo Gender:	Re: Neil deGrasse Tyson on Islam Reply #11 - Apr 24^th, 2016 at 11:11am Seems there's been a pretty long drought of scientific endeavor in Islamic countries. Any theories?
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Reply #12 - Apr 24^th, 2016 at 11:42am

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2016 at 12:49pm:

"No greater scientific golden in the history of man" than the Islamic golden age.

The "islamic" golden age is once again, not quite accurate. More specifically, it was a Persian golden age. Almost all great "islamic" scholars were persians, who were absorbed into islam rather than produced by it. Since Persia has been yoked by Islam, they haven't contributed anything. Not only does Islam produce no thought, it snuffs out the innovative spirit of those it subjugates.

The contributions of arabs to the sum of human knowledge is comparable to that of aborigines. In fact, one could even make a case that it is less than zero, as an unimaginable wealth of knowledge was destroyed in the siege of baghdad, when the pride and folly of dumbass arabs led the mongols to near annihilate them. They are equally as full of inexplicable pride and folly today, as they were then.

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Reply #13 - Apr 24^th, 2016 at 12:09pm

... wrote on Apr 24^th, 2016 at 11:42am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2016 at 12:49pm:

"No greater scientific golden in the history of man" than the Islamic golden age.

The "islamic" golden age is once again, not quite accurate. More specifically, it was a Persian golden age. Almost all great "islamic" scholars were persians, who were absorbed into islam rather than produced by it. Since Persia has been yoked by Islam, they haven't contributed anything. Not only does Islam produce no thought, it snuffs out the innovative spirit of those it subjugates.

The contributions of arabs to the sum of human knowledge is comparable to that of aborigines. In fact, one could even make a case that it is less than zero, as an unimaginable wealth of knowledge was destroyed in the siege of baghdad, when the pride and folly of dumbass arabs led the mongols to near annihilate them. They are equally as full of inexplicable pride and folly today, as they were then.

Scientific endeavour ENDURED in the early years of Islam until it fully took hold and snuffed it out.

Would Gandalf suggest that brief magical 300 year period was the true Islam and the 1000 plus years of intellectual barrenness is the aberration?

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Reply #14 - Apr 24^th, 2016 at 2:36pm

GordyL wrote on Apr 24^th, 2016 at 12:09pm:

Would Gandalf suggest that brief magical 300 year period was the true Islam and the 1000 plus years of intellectual barrenness is the aberration?

Absolutely - and 300 years is a bit unfair. The best years consisted of 500 years at least - and even after that, many great scientific works by muslims continued such as in astronomy.

For comparison, Christiandom was an intellectual wasteland for around 1000 years

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