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Reply #90 - Oct 24th, 2015 at 7:39am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 24th, 2015 at 7:28am:
It's more prevalent than we'd like to think.

There has been talk of this for at least thirty years that I know about.

It first started with a group of prominent men in Adelaide and the bodies of young men found in the river Torrens.

Most likely the UK parliamentary pedo ring is attached to the Aussie one.

One must obey orders from the head of state.

Master Light said all will be revealed.....and so it will. Those in high places will fall.



I do hope so pansi..if high ups are hung out to dry who knows it might just prevent some of this happening in the future.....exposure is the one thing they are all mad to prevent....look at our shame with Judges...and the church of course....it makes me sick to my stomach more so to read about the cover up.

that has got to stop.......we shouldnt have to wait for a ROYAL to deal with this... there has to be a legal dept where people can go and report as something is happening...I am sick of reading about it  years after the event .. I really am..
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Reply #91 - Oct 24th, 2015 at 8:35am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 10:06pm:
She's been traumatized and her accounts appear distorted.

There's probably a lot of truth in her claims.

The issue is where in all this....is the truth?







Yes, the real issue is how much of this is true since on the surface it is clearly not fully true.  Maybe in time we will know.
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Reply #92 - Oct 24th, 2015 at 8:37am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 10:50pm:
Karnal wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 10:43pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 10:06pm:
She's been traumatized and her accounts appear distorted.

There's probably a lot of truth in her claims.



Let’s see, shall we? A clandestine organisation involving three ex-PMs that kidnapped, tortured and raped children in the mid 1970s, all under the nose of the Federal/NSW Police, with no searches of missing persons records or missing children to back up any of the claim.

And all disclosed by one woman and reported in News Ltd media.

Yes, dear, I can see what you mean. There’re probably a lot of truth in the claims.


Others have also come forward and have confirmed some of her stuff.






But not a lot and not at parliament house or the 3 e-PMs etc.  Nothing has really been confirmed at all. And she said murders and THOUSANDS of victims. I think I understand why she was ignored. She doesnt really sound very credible.
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Reply #93 - Oct 24th, 2015 at 9:38am
 
mariacostel wrote on Oct 24th, 2015 at 8:37am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 10:50pm:
Karnal wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 10:43pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 10:06pm:
She's been traumatized and her accounts appear distorted.

There's probably a lot of truth in her claims.



Let’s see, shall we? A clandestine organisation involving three ex-PMs that kidnapped, tortured and raped children in the mid 1970s, all under the nose of the Federal/NSW Police, with no searches of missing persons records or missing children to back up any of the claim.

And all disclosed by one woman and reported in News Ltd media.

Yes, dear, I can see what you mean. There’re probably a lot of truth in the claims.


Others have also come forward and have confirmed some of her stuff.






But not a lot and not at parliament house or the 3 e-PMs etc.  Nothing has really been confirmed at all. And she said murders and THOUSANDS of victims. I think I understand why she was ignored. She doesnt really sound very credible.


Ok..

I originally stated :


"She's been traumatized and her accounts appear distorted.

There's probably a lot of truth in her claims."



The difficult issue is trying to locate the actual truth in all the trauma this woman is recalling and reporting.



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Reply #94 - Oct 24th, 2015 at 11:49am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 24th, 2015 at 9:38am:
mariacostel wrote on Oct 24th, 2015 at 8:37am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 10:50pm:
Karnal wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 10:43pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 10:06pm:
She's been traumatized and her accounts appear distorted.

There's probably a lot of truth in her claims.



Let’s see, shall we? A clandestine organisation involving three ex-PMs that kidnapped, tortured and raped children in the mid 1970s, all under the nose of the Federal/NSW Police, with no searches of missing persons records or missing children to back up any of the claim.

And all disclosed by one woman and reported in News Ltd media.

Yes, dear, I can see what you mean. There’re probably a lot of truth in the claims.


Others have also come forward and have confirmed some of her stuff.






But not a lot and not at parliament house or the 3 e-PMs etc.  Nothing has really been confirmed at all. And she said murders and THOUSANDS of victims. I think I understand why she was ignored. She doesnt really sound very credible.


Ok..

I originally stated :


"She's been traumatized and her accounts appear distorted.

There's probably a lot of truth in her claims."



The difficult issue is trying to locate the actual truth in all the trauma this woman is recalling and reporting.





I agree, but having a sister that is a paranoid schizophenic I am a bit dubious of sensational claims with zero evidence. In short, I've heard variations of this all before. Even heard claims of sexual abuse by people who we know at the time were actually interstate etc.

It smells of mental illness because of the sheer extent of the claims and the sensational nature (it's always a sensational nature). It is possible and indeed probable that SOMETHING happened, but it is highly unlikely that it is substantially true.

It is either nonsense or the biggest scandal and cover-up in Australian history by far.
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Reply #95 - Oct 24th, 2015 at 12:27pm
 
mariacostel wrote on Oct 24th, 2015 at 11:49am:
I agree, but having a sister that is a paranoid schizophenic I am a bit dubious of sensational claims with zero evidence. In short, I've heard variations of this all before. Even heard claims of sexual abuse by people who we know at the time were actually interstate etc.

It smells of mental illness because of the sheer extent of the claims and the sensational nature (it's always a sensational nature). It is possible and indeed probable that SOMETHING happened, but it is highly unlikely that it is substantially true.

It is either nonsense or the biggest scandal and cover-up in Australian history by far.




longy?.....is she your sister?

Well I never!
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Reply #96 - Oct 25th, 2015 at 7:30am
 


Pedophile Billionaire Jeffrey Epstein, His Friend Bill Clinton & A Sex Slave Island Cover-Up


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Reply #98 - Oct 25th, 2015 at 9:38pm
 
mariacostel wrote on Oct 24th, 2015 at 11:49am:
but having a sister that is a paranoid schizophenic



I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that it runs in the family Cool

Just a guess mind you! Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #99 - Oct 25th, 2015 at 9:42pm
 
John Smith wrote on Oct 25th, 2015 at 9:38pm:
mariacostel wrote on Oct 24th, 2015 at 11:49am:
but having a sister that is a paranoid schizophenic



I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that it runs in the family Cool

Just a guess mind you! Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Noses run in my family.

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Reply #100 - Oct 25th, 2015 at 9:47pm
 
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...

http://topinfopost.com/2014/06/17/royals-killing-children-for-fun-hunting-partie...

European royals killing naked children for fun at human hunting parties


This is one in a series of articles taken from eyewitness testimony before the International Common Law Court of Justice in Brussels. Five international judges are examining evidence of child rape, torture, murder and kidnapping allegedly done by global elite members of the Ninth Circle Satanic Child Sacrifice Cult network. Regular Ninth Circle child sacrifices were said to take place in the catacombs of Catholic Cathedrals, the Vatican, on private estates and groves and government military bases in Belgium, Holland, Spain, Australia, Ireland, France, England and the US. At least 34 child mass grave sites were identified in Ireland, Spain and Canada – and refused excavation by the respective governments, Crown of England and Catholic Church. Named as present in Ninth Circle activities were Pope Francis, former Pope Ratzinger;Anglican, United Church of Canada and Catholic Church officials including Cardinals; members of European royalty including Queen Elizabeth and Prince Phillip; officials of the Canadian, Australian, UK and US military and governments including the USA’s CIA, plus prominent government ministers, judges, politicians and businessmen from the US, Belgium, Holland, Canada,
Australia
, France, Ireland and the UK.

...

Teens were drugged, stripped naked, raped, hunted down in the woods and killed by European royals according to this week’s latest eyewitness to testify before the International Common Law Court of Justice in Brussels. The woman was the fourth eyewitness to give accounts about these human hunting parties of the global elite Ninth Circle Satanic Child Sacrifice Cult network. A former member of the Netherlands criminal drug syndicate known as Octopus testified that victims were obtained for these human hunting parties from juvenile detention centers in Belgium and Holland.

“In 2004 I was an involuntary witness to torture, rape and murder sessions of drugged children performed for a group of high ranked people of the Netherlands” stated a woman. “I was taken to a hunting party in Belgium close to Brussels where I saw two boys and a girl ages 14 to 16, hunted and killed by global elites. The human hunting party was heavily guarded by the Netherlands Royal Guards. I was told that King Albert of Belgium was present.”

Four eyewitnesses confirmed that as children and youths they were forced to attend human hunting parties where they and other children were raped, with some killed, and deceased boy’s penises were cut off. Allegedly there was a Dutch countryside palace where boys’ penises were displayed like trophies on a wall. Some hunting parties were hosted on the grounds of Belgium Queen Beatrix’s Palace.

Dutch therapist Toos Nijenhuis claimed that as a four year-old she was forced to witness murders of children that involved former Pope Ratzinger, a Dutch Catholic Cardinal, plus the father of Netherlands Belgium Queen Beatrix and Bilderberger Founder, Dutch Crown Prince Alfrink Bernhard. “I saw the former Pope Joseph Ratzinger murder a little girl″ another witness confirmed. “It was at a French chateau in the fall of 1987. It was ugly, horrible and didn’t happen just once. Ratzinger and Bernhard were some of the more prominent men who took part.”

In Ireland, Spain and Canada 34 child mass grave sites were discovered and appeared linked to Ninth Circle activities. The largest was the Mohawk Indian Residential School in Brantford Ontario where child remains were identified in 2008 before the Catholic Church, Canadian government and English Crown shut down the dig by professional archeologists. The 2013 ICLCJ Court had found Queen Elizabeth and Prince Phillip guilty for the Oct. 10 1964 disappearance of ten native children from the Catholic residential school in Kamloops British Columbia. In the first two weeks of the 2014 court witnesses identified Dutch and Belgian royal participants in the rape and killing of Mohawk children and newborns. Named were Bernhard and King Hendrick, consort to Queen Wilhelmina of Holland.

Alleged to be present during the human hunting parties were the late Prince Johan Friso and his wife Mabel Wisse Smit, former ministers, the top man of the Dutch army, the under secretary of the Raad Van State in the Netherlands, the Vice-Roy next to Queen Beatrix and other global business and political leaders including some from the US. “Surely the present King Willem Alexander and King Filip and their wives know about this abuse and murder of children” said one eyewitness.”They do nothing about it and likely are the ones to stop investigations and prosecutions.”

In January 2014 the brother of the king of Holland Prince Johan Friso passed away in a coma after these three Dutch-language websites shown here reached the internet. The websites revealed that Friso was at the human hunting and killing parties.”The story came on the internet after years of trying to move the policy and justice department in the Netherlands to act against the criminals,” an eyewitness said. “Nobody did anything to stop these criminals, probably because Queen Beatrix and King Albert likely interfered with the
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Reply #102 - Oct 25th, 2015 at 10:22pm
 
http://gumshoenews.com/2015/10/25/royal-commission-on-institutional-response-and...

Royal Commission on Institutional Response, and Senator Heffernan’s Plea


October 25, 2015 by Dalia Mae

...

by Mary W Maxwell, PhD, LLB
I swear by Almighty God
that the evidence I give to this Royal Commission will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.” The public is welcome to attend the hearings of the Royal Commission on Child Sexual Abuse, usually held at 1 Farrer Place, Sydney – with some meetings in other capital cities. When I attended on October 23, 2015, the subject was, once again, the Geelong Grammar school complaints.


Two retired members of the Geelong hierarchy appeared to be blatantly perjuring themselves, insofar as their “lack of memory” of any such events runs against confessions by the main perpetrator, and by lesser staff members.
The House Master was asked “Have you read all the Commission testimony?”  Answer: “Yes.” Question: “Has it jogged your memory in any way?” Answer: “No, not at all.”
(Note: the child-abuser, Philippe Trutmann, a dorm assistant, was convicted of abusing 41 children.)
I will be very interested to see if charges of perjury are brought. The RC is not a court and has no prosecutorial mission.

It does have the power to compel testimony (those two school officials would not have fronted up willingly!), and at the end it can recommend measures to be taken.
Protected Persons
I wager no charges of perjury will be brought. As I watched each of the two elderly chaps, I could only deduce that they are protected persons. If they are lying when they say “I have absolutely no recollection,” they must be saying that with complete confidence that they are protected.
If we look around the world at famous cases involving “pedophile rings,” no amount of excellent testimony by victims and onlookers seems to have any effect. The show must go on. This was true in the Dutroux case in Belgium and regarding the Dunblane fiasco.


Still, I have to say that I don’t think these two men from Geelong Grammar were lying. When one of them said he couldn’t remember a student from 1989 but could remember one from 1982, the audience snickered. Under cross-examination, the former House Master stuttered and blushed. But even with that display of apparent guilt I got the impression he was “telling the truth.”
Not Free Men


Indeed the experience gave me an insight I would like to pass on here, but with the caveat that I cannot back it up. Simply this: the two testifiers seemed to me to be “not free men.” The second man, by the way, a music teacher, was even more confident in his denial. I formed the opinion that his mind has been controlled by someone higher up.
That’s all I can offer. You would have had to watch the amazing performance to see how remote was any chance of either fellow breaking down and saying “Yes, it did happen; there was some sexual abuse of students and I regret not taking firm action at the time.”
I have not attended the ‘performances’ by Catholic priests and bishops but I am guessing it would be the same. In 1990, when the story came out about pedophile priests, my first thought was that the various curates who fondled children were not acing on instinct but were planted there to do that. I think it is all part of the Grand Plan to undercut religion.


(Note: Rabbi Marvin Antelman says similar. See my article on Satanism.)
Could there possibly be any other explanation for dozens of bishops to engage in re-assigning an offending priest to a different parish, where the further abuse of children was virtually guaranteed? They all followed the same formula.
It’s often postulated that the bishops covered it up to protect the reputation of the Church. What nonsense! In any given instance they could have called the priest on the carpet and told him to resign. That is, the baddy could be defrocked. I am sure he wouldn’t have sued – he’d be fearful of a prosecution. No, surely there is another agenda here.


Senator Heffernan, Australian Parliament
Now we hear from Senator Bill Heffernan that Fiona Barnett has accused politicians and judges of pedophile activity, going back 40 years. Heffernan thus plans to ask Attorney General George Brandis to extend the terms of the Royal Commission on the Institutional Response to Child Sexual Abuse – to include “the legal fraternity.”
I believe it should not be Brandis’s call. In fact the whole thing should be extra-governmental. You may recall recently when an FBI man in Florida killed a man named Ibraghim Todashev in cold blood, the “investigation” was conducted by his boss. With absolute predictability, the killer was found him to have not broken the rules.
Ms Barnett says she knows about child abduction, torture, and murder. You can look at a survey that was conducted by Americans and Germans, called the Extreme Abuse Survey. Whilst you may not want to set much stock in the allegations of victims, there is also a parallel survey of psychologists and therapists, who give very similar information about what they discovered in their clients’ lives.

Truth and Reconciliation?
As I have mentioned before, I joined (actually, was railroaded into) a group in America in 2009, called the US Truth and Reconciliation Coalition, headed by Kathleen A Sullivan, MSSW. ...
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Reply #103 - Oct 26th, 2015 at 3:24pm
 
https://www.corbettreport.com/pedophiles-in-politics-an-open-source-investigatio...

Pedophiles in Politics: An Open Source Investigation


As 2015 begins, high-profile cases involving accusations of pedophilia in the highest ranks of political power are making headlines on both sides of the Atlantic.

MPs Caught in Pedophile Network

The first case involves the exposure of five VIP pedophile rings operating in Britain in the 1970s and 80s that have been researched in a dossier compiled by John Mann, an MP for Bassetlaw in the Midlands, which was then submitted to the London Metropolitan Police for further investigation. These five rings all included at least one current or former member of parliament, with a total of 24 politicians having been identified in Mann’s dossier. Six of those 24 are currently serving members of the UK government, including three MPs and three members of the House of Lords. As an MP himself, Mann enjoys parliamentary privilege to name the accused politicians in the House of Commons but has said he will not do so because he believes the accusations should be investigated by police first.

The Met are already investigating claims made by an alleged victim of the network that a Conservative MP strangled a boy to death during one of the ring’s sex parties, and that he personally witnessed two other boys murdered by the gang, including one who was run over in broad daylight. Mann has also indicated that he believes two men may have been murdered as part of a cover-up of the network’s activities.

One of the hurdles in investigating the claims is the Official Secrets Act, which prevents the disclosure of state secrets and “sensitive” information. “It is clear there are a lot of people who could provide a lot of information, potentially vital information, to support ongoing criminal investigations,” Mann said regarding the investigation. “But they are not doing so because of the Official Secrets Act. They are fearful of not only breaking the law but the potential effect on their pension. This is absolutely crucial if we are to get some of these ex-officers coming forward and to get prosecutions of some of the former MPs.” He has asked Home Secretary Theresa May to lift the restrictions, allowing former officials to speak up about what they know about the case, but so far there is no indication that this has been done.

Epstein Accuser Names Names

Meanwhile in the United States a similarly shocking set of allegations are emerging from a Florida court case surrounding Jeffrey Epstein, the prominent American financier and billionaire who was convicted in 2008 of soliciting an underage girl for prostitution. In the years since his conviction, dozens of women have come forward to accuse him of abuse, and he has made 17 out-of-court settlements in various civil cases arising from these accusations. There is now an ongoing federal civil suit in Florida in which two women are alleging violations of the Crime Victims’ Rights Act in the remarkable plea deal that saw Epstein emerge from the scandal with a single count of solicitation of underage prostitution and a 13-month prison sentence.

Late last month, Virginia Roberts made headlines by submitting a motion to be added to the legal action in Florida. Those documents allege that Roberts was one of Epstein’s underage sex slaves and names both Prince Andrew, Duke of York and fifth in line for the British crown, and Alan Dershowitz, a well-known lawyer and author, as men with whom she was forced to have sex while underage. Buckingham Palace has emphatically denied the claims, and Dershowitz threatened to sue Roberts’ lawyers over the allegations but was instead counter-sued for defamation.

The scandal threatens to re-focus attention on the Epstein case, which raises many important questions about the billionaire’s connections with the rich and powerful. It has since been revealed that Epstein had 21 different phone numbers for contacting his friend Bill Clinton, who, court records allege, “frequently flew” on Epstein’s private jet between 2002 and 2005. The American tabloid press is now reporting that the new claims have created problems for Clinton’s marriage, with Hillary allegedly visibly angry at Bill at a recent public appearance.

Nothing New

Allegations of pedophilia networks amongst the political and entertainment “elite” are of course nothing new. In recent years Britain has been rocked by revelations of repeated, serial sexual abuse of children by popular children’s television entertainers Jimmy Savile and Rolf Harris. These scandals have raised questions about institutional support for these activities at a number of levels, including the BBC, the political classes and even royal participation in the enabling and cover-up of the abuse.

Likewise in America, allegations of political pedophile rings date back decades, with the most notorious being the Franklin scandal in which Lawrence E. King Jr. was accused of running an elite child prostitution ring for Nebraska Republican Party members and high-ranking U.S. politicians. The story involves accusations that link the ring to CIA drug dealing, murder and cover up, including accusations of ritual abuse in the Bohemian Grove. The investigation was championed by former State Senator John De Camp and eventually brought before a grand jury in Douglas County but was eventually thrown out as a “carefully crafted hoax” ....
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continued .... and two of the alleged victims were themselves convicted of perjury after two other witnesses recanted their supporting testimony. Still, questions still surround the cover up of the case as documented in suppressed documentaries like Conspiracy of Silence.

Cover Ups

The question of whether the London Met will be adequate to the task of properly investigating Mann’s dossier is not an idle one. Just last year reports revealed that the Met had 260 crates of evidence documenting police corruption in the north-east corner of London alone. The evidence relates to Operation Tiberius, a 2002 investigation that concluded there was “endemic corruption” in the Metropolitan Police force and that organized crime networks had been able to infiltrate the Met “at will.” The report that issued from that investigation was 170 pages long, but only six heavily-redacted pages were provided to a parliamentary committee that had requested the information. Only a handful of the scores of then-serving officers and officials identified by the investigation were ever prosecuted.

In the Epstein case, as well, there are numerous questions surrounding the possibility of high-level cover up. In recent weeks it has emerged that Epstein struck a remarkable secret deal with the US Attorney’s Office that barred more than 500 pages of documents detailing negotiations of the deal and a staggering 13,000 documents from the investigation into Epstein’s activities that were shelved as a result of the bargain. Moreover, the victims were not told of the plea bargain until after it had been concluded. All of this resulted from the US Attorney Office’s pledge to avoid turning the case into a “media circus” and disclosing the names of people like Prince Andrew.

Clearing the Smoke, Smashing the Mirrors

As always with ongoing legal investigations, it is important to sort the credible from the incredible, the proven from the unproven, and the mere allegations from the actual findings of fact. Hoaxes, lies and moral panics have erupted in the past that have proven fraudulent in the long run.

So what are the credible sources in investigations like these? How can those with a monetary or other interest in slandering the rich and powerful be separated from those with credible claims of abuse? What bodies or institutions can be relied on to investigate claims of this nature, especially when they involve sitting politicians and others in the highest reaches of political or financial power?

These questions and others like them will be answered in an upcoming edition of The Corbett Report podcast. In the meantime, Corbett Report members are encouraged to sign in and leave their own thoughts on these issues, including sources for further reading on theses topics and discussion of why pedophilia accusations of high-ranking politicians continue to crop up, and what these claims might mean if they are indeed true.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-30052726

http://content.met.police.uk/News/Operation-Midland/1400027775342/1257246745756
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