well son that's a long story. Where do you think we got all this land.

Have another Fosters and celebrate the genocide Bruce.

Driving the trains that fed Australia.... not sure he ever oppressed any Keffirs though. Granma was the landed gentry and she hung out the white sheets, and told me stories of Niggruhs in the woodpile...  born in 1884, she was well aware of Jimmy Governor and his rampage in 1900..... same area.  They shot his mate not far from where I grew up.... up Singleton way, where my Granma was born... and she grew up in New England.

http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/governor-jimmy-6439

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 25^th, 2014 at 11:26pm:


Holey, moley, how old do you think we all are!!
I'm pretty ancient (so my kids assure me) yet even my grandparents lived out their lives in the 20th century, in suburban Melbourne and country Victoria in most cases. They had to go to school, work, pay for their homes an land, all the usual stuff.

Some of the things that happened to the aboriginal people in the 19th century were just horrific. But then again, some of the things that happened to white people back then were horrific and brutal too.
No one can justify the bad, but isn't it true of every society that there is a mix of bad and good,

I have a great great grandfather ( or maybe great x3, would have to check) who was a convict. There's no denying he was a serial thief and started young, but he was in solitary confinement at 12 and got the lash at that time, if I recall rightly. transported at about 15 or 16. You had kids as young as 4 or 5 sent down the mines in that era too.

They were brutal times.

I am not sure it is fair to judge the people of those times by today's standards as the mind set was different, life & survival were harder.
When times are better, our society can afford compassion.


The true heroes are those who show it when times are hard.

Sometimes I wonder what horror the people in 22nd or 23rd century will look back and see in our present society. There will be something for sure, yet we have the blinkers on.
Maybe it could be meat eating. Imagine you came back into the 23rd century to find yourself & your whole society of the past condemned. Interesting, when you think of mind sets.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 25^th, 2014 at 11:26pm:


A bit rich coming from someone who uses an icon that lampoons black people.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 25^th, 2014 at 11:26pm:


Well Dad you worked full time, paid lots of tax and paid off your mortgage instead of sitting around drinking piss and collecting welfare cheques.

That's where the land come from Dad....

Gnads wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 8:18am:



my ancestry is Irish, Scots, German & English.......

I don't claim to be one or the other ...... I am Australian.

You related to me?

(Kill a Keffir for Krist?  KKK?  Is that what we're discussing here?)

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 12:09pm:


You never know it's a small world 

As for the KKK .... that's not my slant on it ..... I just object to the perennial whining by the PC brigade & pseudo aboriginals .. re: Invasion Day bullshyte.

Who cares about the date ..... it's about celebrating our country. Not the past sins of our ancestors.

Herbert don't forget the common practise of dowry murder.

Where the husband throws kero over & sets his wife alight.... claims it's a cooking accident .... so he can remarry to get another dowry.

Quote:

Gnads wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 2:43pm:


If you are going to 'quote' something, best to acknowledge the source and include the entirety of what you are quoting.

This is the complete version:

Quote:


See that 'question mark' you omitted.  Further, most 'dowry deaths' are suicides by women made most unhappy by their husband and/or his mob.

Aussie wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 2:47pm:


Seen the bodies burning in pyres, all in a row under the open sky?

What did you think I meant?

Aussie wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 2:47pm:


Bombay.

Only wankers say 'Mumbai'.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 3:12pm:


Seems to have been quite a few centuries of those wankers, Mr Mitty.

Quote:


Wiki.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 3:50pm:


Mittytiki works better.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 3:12pm:




Keep up with the times.

sherri wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 9:18am:


True. Phillip had orders from King George to "befriend the natives", learn their language and customs, and assess their population and any form of land title.

After the first smallpox epidemic in Sydney, the population was deemed too small to bother with, so a colony was declared.

Only later did the Hawkesbury Aborigines kick up a stink and declare war, only to be subdued by force. The expansion over the Great Dividing Range provided the basis for the Bathurst massacres, along with other 19th century killings.

You only have to read the letters, reports and journals of officers like Phillip and Tench to understand how seriously they took their mission of understanding the local population. Phillip, of course, became a close friend of Bennelong’s, albeit in a very paternal role. Later, they seriously lamented what became of white/Aboriginal relations. I imagine that, in private, they also acknowledged their mistakes.

You judge a society, I think, by how it lives up to its own values. Tench acknowledged that the early settlers failed to do this.

True Blue... wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 7:04pm:



What's wrong with speaking Japanese?

I attended Grade 1 in 1955 ~ gawd, maybe 1954.  At the Bundaberg West State Primary School, I shared all my primary school years with full blood aboriginal kids of my age, many if not most of them memorable for all sorts of reasons, and not with one of them did I share even one day of my High School years.

Aussie wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 7:21pm:



You are shitting me!?

That's where I started school!

Aussie wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 7:48pm:



Small world.

On my first day there, I wore shoes (thanks Mum!).

Got beat up, and my shoes were stolen   

Never wore shoes to school again after that.

True Blue... wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 7:04pm:


Maybe the aboriginals did not want to be saved from learning to speak Japanese because they might have had the opportunity to turn the tables on poms and closet poms.

Chimp_Logic wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 11:53pm:


No, the English are not intrinsically superior forms of life and what was done by some whites to Aboriginal people was at times sickening. There was some debate back in those days as to whether black people had a soul. I suppose you would have to consider some group as less than human before you could treat them like that.
Of course the English did not land on this continent to save the Aboriginal people. If Aborigines want saving, they will have to do it for themselves, because that is pretty much how nature works.

But if you think things would have been better under the Japanese, you need a history lesson. When the Japanese took over Singapore in WW2, they showed no mercy. They bayoneted a lot of hospital patients. They killed a lot of other people as they advanced. Even after the war was declared over, my father (as a young sailor) was on a short walk from his ship and saw fresh Asian heads on poles, courtesy of the Japanese. He and his mate turned around immediately and returned to ship of course.
But my guess is if the Japanese had taken over vast tracts of Australia, any aboriginals would not have been standing there chained, they would have been bayonetted or beheaded out of hand. The Japanese at that stage did not admire or respect other cultures, you know.

English culture may not be perfect, no culture is, but don't go kidding yourself the Japanese culture was any better. If anything, it was more brutal. The aboriginal people wouldn't be speaking Japanese, they wouldn't be speaking anything because they would be dead as doornails.

Chimp_Logic wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 11:53pm:


Maybe you should put that to all the other former Colonialist occupying countries?............

Like the Spaniards, Portuguese, French, Dutch, Germans, Belgians etc.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 7:18am:


blessings ,

some project it is better to get raped and murdered

by the church and monarchy with their proper

rapeing and murdering ways ..

not second rate japanese rape and murder ...

many ignorant types as well as ignorant are also

racist .... consequently

this is forgiven

in love and light

namaste

- : ) =

ॐ

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 7:07am:


What a self righteous prick

True Blue... wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 7:04pm:


Now there's a people who really would have thrown the abos on the barby ... (washed down with a nice little saki).

Chimp_Logic wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 11:53pm:


This is always misquoted.

The British declared it to be 'Terror Nulla Nulla' because they were always being attacked by the natives who wanted to steal their food.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 10:04am:



That's correct.

I skipped high school and went straight into university.

You may have read about it in the newspapers.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 11:42pm:


Considering the number that joined up to fight the Japanese during the war, i doubt it. Why would they want to be eaten (like the new Guinea natives were) or executed for the crime of not being Japanese???

That expression "all's fair in love and war"....did I ever understand that? 

As if 'war' is a fair thing.

Voltaire summed it up that I thought was interesting ~

"It is forbidden to kill, therefore all murderers are punished, unless they kill in large numbers and to the sounds of trumpets!"

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 11:23am:


And also with "love" ?

Maybe the word "fair" meant something vastly different back then when it was quoted...so many different slants on words...for instance...the word 'gay'.....back in the 1950's when my husband's uncle was married, (back then, they would have 300 people or more, unlike today, with costs of per head, it is lucky to reach 100 people) so his wedding was in the paper (I have the newspaper cutting)....as "the gayest wedding of the year" 

Sophia wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 11:38am:


Sure. If you are in love, using unfair or nasty methods to sabotage a rival is acceptable.

The bit about war though is a comment on the old chivalrous idea of sending the opposing general an invitation to the battle, lining up, sharing teas and cakes with him and deciding what time to start your men slaughtering each other.

Chimp_Logic wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 12:37pm:


Naturalists, scientists, all the big thinkers and learned men of the times.
When the first white landed in Africa, they thought the African people were 'proof of evolution' as the missing link between man and apes.
Strangely enough it was the religious churches that disagreed with that idea, which is why they spent so much time trying to convert them to Christianity.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 10:00am:


Yes....Speaking Japanese would have been the least of their worries that the ignorant have failed to see...

The Japanese would consider the aborigines to be way down on the evolutionary ladder. The Japanese have  high regard for educational endeavour . If the Japs invaded they wouldn't have considered the aborigines in any decisions. I'd say they'd have very little respect for all of the dumb peoples like Africans , islanders etc.

sherri wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 3:45pm:



The way I read it sherri is that they are both talking about the same thing but one can't understand the other....

Basically,

If the Japanese had taken over Australia they'd have been obliterated..

Bashed, cut up alive, prostitution, torture games and eaten...

The other thing we can deduct from this is that Blessings is a filthy Pom... 

Sparky wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 3:51pm:


Things may be opening up now, but until fairly recent times, no non-Japanese person would have been considered for a top position in a Japanese company.

Chimp logic said:
You can massage the facts all you like in order to portray the invading fascist, imperial navy forces of Great Britain as honorable and and legitimate but the facts remain that the actions post 1788 were morally and legally wrong.

And until a genuine treaty is agreed upon between the indigenous people and the rest of Australia, not only can't reconciliation occur, but Australia cannot go forward as a nation:

No one's pretending the Aboriginal people got a good deal, but I disagree we can't go forward as a nation.
The reality is there aren't enough aborigines left to stop that progress. Their numbers have been absolutely swamped by later migrations. The war's over. Present day aboriginals need to live in present day society and adapt, as we all do. It's a sink or swim world. They are currently sinking, and if I had to hazard a guess, I would say it is because a lot live in a culture of poverty.
Throwing a bucket of money won't help in the least, treaties won't do a lot either. the only way to help is to train the children very specifically to cope with middle class values. That's the only way they'll get on in this world.

sherri wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 4:05pm:
I believe they just can't keep up. With Asian immigration the bar has been  lifted. The race has been sped up even further. If you don't have the drive and intelligence you'll be left behind. That's what is happening to the islanders, aborigines and Lebanese. It's the same as the American negro. When they get left behind they end up poor and doing crime. Once physicality was important but now it's brains.

Chimp_Logic wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 4:17pm:
Do you own a home?

Sparky wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 4:20pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 4:30pm:
So are you going to put your money where your mouth is and give your land back?

http://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/history/aboriginal-history-tim...

Early white history

1770
April29th
Invasion and wars
Captain James Cook claims possession of the whole east coast of Australia for the British Crown. Many history classes and books start teaching Australian history from this point on.

1788
January25th
Captain Phillip raises the Union Jack at Sydney Cove to start a penal colony. Aboriginal resistance flares within a few days of arrival of the tall ships.

29 May: The first conflict between the First Fleet arrivals and Aboriginal people takes place near Rushcutters Bay, Sydney. Two convicts are killed.

December: Arabanoo is the first Aboriginal person captured by Europeans.

Captain Phillip estimates an Aboriginal population of 1,500 people living in the Sydney Region. The total Aboriginal population is believed to be between 750,000 and 1 million [1].

1789

April: A smallpox epidemic decimates the Eora Aboriginal people of Port Jackson, Botany Bay and Broken Bay.

November: Governor Phillip captures two Aboriginal men - Bennelong and Colebee. Colebee escapes but Bennelong is kept at Government House for five months.

1790

September: Pemulwuy spears Phillip’s gamekeeper, John McEntire, and Phillip orders the first punitive expedition.

The Hawkesbury and Nepean Wars between Aboriginal people and white invaders start in NSW. Led by Pemulwuy and his son Tedbury, Aboriginal people raid stations or assault sheep and cattle because the growing number of colonists occupied more and more land. Many times they used firesticks to set the bush on fire, destroy buildings, and burn crops. The guerrillia-like wars continue until 1816.



Aboriginal obelisk near the Hawkesbury River. It commemorates the Aboriginal people who occupied this area before they were wiped out by the white invaders

1791

Orphan boy Bon-del is the first Aboriginal person to go to sea, sailing aboard the brig Supply, bound for Norfolk Island.

1792

Bennelong and a boy named Yemmerrawanie are taken to England by Phillip. They perform the first Aboriginal song to be heard in Europe. Bennelong meets George III. Yemmarrawanie dies in England. In 1795 Bennelong returns to Australia.

1793

Gnung-a Gnung-a Murremurgan (also known as Collins) crosses the Pacific to Nootka Sound (Vancouver), the Californian coast and Hawaii.

1795

The Richmond Hill battle is considered to be the first recorded battle between Aboriginal people defending their country against the British.

Aboriginal man Tom Rowley sails to Calcutta, Madras and New Ireland. He returns in 1796 to Australia.

1796

After being shot seriously twice, and surviving both times, Pemulwuy is considered unable to be killed by bullets.

1799

Beginning of a six-year period of resistance to white settlement by Aboriginal people in the Hawkesbury and Parramatta areas. Known as the ‘Black Wars’.

1801

April: Governor King orders Aboriginal people gathering around Parramatta, Georges River and Prospect Hill “to be driven back from the settler’s habitation by firing at them”.

1802

April 8: French Captain Nicholas Baudin and the English navigator Matthew Flinders meet at the South Australian border near Victor Harbor. Baudin had orders to study Aboriginal people for the new science of anthropology just founded in Paris. Many such drawings are now in a collection in Le Havre, France.

Pemulwuy is shot by two settlers. Tedbury continues the resistance.

Bungaree (Bungary) is the first Aboriginal person to circumnavigate Australia as a member of Matthew Flinders’ historic journey of exploration (1802-03). Bungaree is one of the very few Aboriginal people whose exploits have been documented in newspapers, journals and books of early colonial Sydney. Bungaree died in 1830 and was buried at Rose Bay, NSW.

1803

Tasmania is occupied by white people. The Black Wars of Tasmania last until 1830.

1804

3 May: William Moree, a lieutenant of the New South Wales Rum Corps, orders to open fire at Risdon Cove, Tasmania, on a group of about 300 Aboriginal people who are probably hunting kangaroos. Between 30 and 60 Aboriginal people are killed. The Lieutenant tries to cover-up the incident, claiming only 3 had been shot [4]. Hostilities increase - the slaughter of Aboriginal people in Australia has begun. Settlers are authorised to shoot unarmed Aboriginal people [2].

Most of the Cumberland Plain west of Sydney is occupied by colonists. The Eora people are being dispossessed of their land.

1810

Aboriginal people begin to be moved onto mission stations where they can be taught European beliefs and used as cheap labour. Settlers try to control growth of the Aboriginal population with a policy of absorption.

1813

Bennelong dies.

May: Colonists, assisted by Aboriginal people, cross the Blue Mountains and create new hostilities as they pass through Aboriginal lands. The path the colonists take is in fact a long-established Aboriginal route that had been in constant use for thousands of years.




Blue Mountains, New South Wales. The Blue Mountains were long a barrier to the new colony’s expansion to the west. They are about 100 kilometres west of Sydney.

Up there ^^^^^ Mr Light mentioned Bennelong. 'A Timeless Land' written by Eleanor Dark.

Click here.

Sparky wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 5:17pm:


many blessings

in truth ,which is a fact

you own nothing .

many believe snake oil salesmen that lie

and tell you its real estate .

on paper through masonic contracts they would

have one believe as much yes ,

yet even after you pay , you must also pay a yearly levy

rates/ duty whatever the linguistic may apply

your on crown land here china ,

and its the queensland it is said ... you own nothing

landless peasant .

yet many landless peasants are lied to and they believe

yes! " I own this " ...

however

there are those that reside in light and know this truth

consequently any may believe as they do so please

it matters not in eternal divine light

so either way

be at peace

namaste

- : ) =

ॐ

Chimp_Logic wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 6:16pm:
You are living off whiteman land acquisition and at the same time criticising  it. I'm just wondering how you can do that. I wonder what tribe once laid claim to the land your private property sits on? hmmmmmm!!!

Chimp_Logic wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 6:33pm:
So do you have any native bushland in your backyard? Any middens? Let's give it baaaaack!!!!

Sparky wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 6:46pm:


I don't feel guilt - just want the right thing done by the indigenous people. And the first step would be to ask them how they feel, what happened to them, their stories. Not according to white washing historians such as Geoffery Blaney and co.

You say your ancestors were prisoners? They had no choice but to come here? Why don't you return to your homeland then? Youre free aren't you?

Chimp_Logic wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 6:56pm:
People are getting force fed aboriginal stories of abuse. Your average Australian are sick of it. This is a rude truth that I feel bad about bringing up but hey we all need to be truthful and straight up. Here it is- Aborigines are not popular. They muck up in many parts of Australia. That's another reason why many people don't care about aboriginal affairs. If people liked them more the Australian population might be more sympathetic.  As far as going back to where I came from, I will if the aborigines go back to Indonesia and you head off back to where dad comes from.

Sparky wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 7:27pm:


many blessings

your white supremacy is showing

fortunately the majority of people are not

so narrow minded and ignorant thinking they can

legitimize rape torture theft infanticide genocide 

and murder ..

your racism is forgiven

along with your malcontent

with so very much compassion

in love and light

namaste

- : ) =

ॐ

WHAT 'genocide'?

Never happened.

smack off.