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Sappho

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Re: Finally the will of the Egyptians shines through
Reply #15 - Sep 11^th, 2011 at 9:01pm

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 11^th, 2011 at 1:31pm:

If you're a fascist I guess that's what you'd be wanting to do.

It is not a fascist thing. It is what is done during war time to protect it's people from the fifth column and enemy soldiers. When the war is over the people are release.

Even Arabs do it. Why they are doing it now in Libya. Are Libyan's fascists therefore?

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Keep in mind here, it is the West that has made this declaration against the Muslim world, not the other way 'round.

Irrelevant. War is war no matter who declares it. And during war time, one of the first things to be done is rounding up the fifth column.

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So not only are they the victims of these aggressions, you're now suggesting that they should be further vilified and oppressed.

Quite a nasty piece of work aren't you?

I'm not the one who is saying that we are at war... that was you. So far as I understood we were not at war with all Arab nations.

All I am doing is checking your understanding of what war really means and the various conventions of war that need to be enacted.

But still... judging from your comments you seem to think that the Libyan's because they have prisoners of war are quite a nasty piece of work... is that right?

"Love is a cunning weaver of fantasies and fables."

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Re: Finally the will of the Egyptians shines through
Reply #16 - Sep 11^th, 2011 at 9:24pm

I don't recall saying Arab nations... this is your invention.

The West declared war on the Muslim world, on the civilians, on the people, on their resources, on their culture, on their society, on their sanctity, on their security, on their peace. The "nations", or the puppet rulers the West put into place, are certainly not at war with the West, they are sustained by the West. Hence the misunderstanding about the Israeli embassy in Cairo. The puppet government there respects the embassy, and defends it with their lives, and the Israelis acknowledge that. The people on the other hand are a different kettle of fish.

Imprisoning people based on their religion/race etc. is fascism, pure and simple, and I think you well know it.

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Re: Finally the will of the Egyptians shines through
Reply #18 - Sep 12^th, 2011 at 9:31am

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 11^th, 2011 at 1:31pm:

.....Keep in mind here, it is the West that has made this declaration against the Muslim world, not the other way 'round.

So not only are they [moslems!] the victims of these aggressions, you're now suggesting that they should be further vilified and oppressed.

Quite a nasty piece of work aren't you?

This is all a bit rich [A BIG LIE] Abu.

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"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98
[i.e. 'Unbelief' is a crime.]

"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76
[i.e. Fighting against 'unbelievers' is sanctified, fighting against 'unbelievers' is 'good works'. Because 'unbelievers' [of Allah] are in league with SATAN. So those who are indeed, good moslems will fight against the 'unbelievers'.]

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them."
Koran 3.28

"O ye who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as friends (or protectors),- offering them (your) love,..."
Koran 60.1

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."
hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.052.196

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Abu,

You know, very well, that ISLAM mandates [holds it to every moslem, as a 'religious' obligation], that a state of enmity and warfare MUST ALWAYS EXIST towards ALL non-moslems.

Isn't it true that ISLAM, from its very inception has been at war with ALL of 'unbelieving' mankind ???

Didn't Allah inform Mohammed, that Allah [and therefore ALL moslems!], are engaged in never-ending warfare with ALL of 'unbelieving' mankind ???

And, that ISLAM mandates, that moslems ARE NEVER ALLOWED TO EXTEND PEACEFUL RELATIONS, TO NON-MOSLEMS, NOR TO NON-MOSLEM NATIONS.
....but only a hudna [truce].

But THAT truce MUST only be extended, until moslems feel themselves strong enough to engage in a 'hot' war [Jihad] with 'unbelievers'.

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Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims
London, Sept.8 [2007]
A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.
Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece

AND;

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Here, for example, are two very illuminating passages from the canonical Life of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq, as translated by A. Guillaume, and a third passage, from the earliest known Muslim historian.

Ishaq: 204 - "'Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?' 'Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'"

Ishaq:231 - "Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders."

And here is Al-Tabari, a very early Muslim historian, in book 9, chapter or section 69, reporting words that Muslims believe to have been said by Mohammed himself - "Killing infidels is a small matter to us".

These texts are not fossils from a distant past. They are not dead letters. They are still 'live' and carry tremendous weight in the imagination and practice of many Muslims around the world.
...DDA

Google it.

n.b.
"Killing infidels is a small matter to us"

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Finally the will of the Egyptians shines through
Reply #19 - Sep 12^th, 2011 at 10:00am

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 11^th, 2011 at 9:24pm:

Imprisoning people based on their religion/race etc. is fascism, pure and simple, and I think you well know it.

I concede that that, would be a 'fascist' act.

But ISLAM is not a 'race', and ISLAM is hardly a religion.

ISLAM is not a religion, not in any sense of the word [as understood to the Western mind].

Why not?

Because ISLAM teaches moslems that it is 'lawful' [for moslems] to kill people who reject ISLAM.

And because ISLAM is not about promoting any form of spirituality.

But the focus of all of ISLAM's doctrines are about promoting the use of deception, blatant lying, intimidation, terror, extreme violence, and murder, in seeking what ???

In seeking to achieve ISLAM's WORLDLY and POLITICAL aims, ....to POLITICALLY dominate and rule over all of mankind.

ISLAM, is NOT a religion, in any Western, traditional sense of that word.

e.g.

"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98
[i.e. 'Unbelief' is a crime.]

"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76
[i.e. Fighting against 'unbelievers' is sanctified, fighting against 'unbelievers' is 'good works'. Because 'unbelievers' [of Allah] are in league with SATAN. So those who are indeed, good moslems will fight against the 'unbelievers'.]

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

The Hadith,
"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

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ISLAMIC law....

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/fus3_50.html#3.110

n.b. "Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

Abu,

You accuse those in the West of fascist acts, BECAUSE, we resist, and seek to defend ourselves from ISLAMIC violence, being directed against non-moslems.

But isn't ISLAM, in fact, a fascist philosophy, which is hiding behind a 'veil' of deception and blatant lying, by calling itself, a 'religion', and portraying itself [to the naive and the uninformed] as a tolerant philosophy ???

In my book, it is ISLAM itself which is a fascist philosophy.

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Finally the will of the Egyptians shines through
Reply #20 - Sep 12^th, 2011 at 8:39pm

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 11^th, 2011 at 9:24pm:

I don't recall saying Arab nations... this is your invention.

It was not an invention. It was an assumption based on the fact that we were discussing an Arab region in which Israel finds itself. It was a rather reasonable assumption at that.

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The West declared war on the Muslim world, on the civilians, on the people, on their resources, on their culture, on their society, on their sanctity, on their security, on their peace.

Ah, I see. This is not a territorial dispute, this is a what? Racial dispute? No... that can't be because Muslims come from all ethnicities. And it can't be religious because The West has welcomed many religions including Muslims into their fold... indeed in the West, Muslims are the second largest religious group after Catholics did you know. And it can't be a 'white' thang, because there are too many 'white' Muslims.

So, what is this war you speak of?

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The "nations", or the puppet rulers the West put into place, are certainly not at war with the West, they are sustained by the West. Hence the misunderstanding about the Israeli embassy in Cairo. The puppet government there respects the embassy, and defends it with their lives, and the Israelis acknowledge that. The people on the other hand are a different kettle of fish.

You have a lot of hate and not a lot of substance in that paragraph.

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Imprisoning people based on their religion/race etc. is fascism, pure and simple, and I think you well know it.

You said we were at war. When there is war, nations must protect themselves against the fifth column. The fifth column is not a race or religion. It is those people from those nations with whom we are at war irrespective of their race, creed or colour. During WWII for example, many Germans were rounded up in Australia and placed into internment camps because you just can't know who the sleepers are. It is wrong of you to twist the standard conventions of war into a cry against racism.

Lest we forget, only the Western Nations actively pursue an official policy of Multiculturalism. No non Western nation does. Go google it. And you dare to call The West racist? I suggest you take a look around the world and re-evaluate your position. It is not The West who are racist... and we haven't been for a long time.

You cannot judge a nation by a few trashy citizens which you may have happened across. It is not fair or just.

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Sappho Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 1406 Gender:	Re: Finally the will of the Egyptians shines through Reply #21 - Sep 12^th, 2011 at 8:41pm double post
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Belgarion Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5397 Gender:	Re: Finally the will of the Egyptians shines through Reply #22 - Sep 12^th, 2011 at 8:43pm All Abus rantings destroyed by Sapphos logic....but don't expect him to admit this, for it must shame him before allah to be metaphorically routed by an infidel female.
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Re: Finally the will of the Egyptians shines through
Reply #23 - Sep 13^th, 2011 at 12:53am

Belgarion wrote on Sep 12^th, 2011 at 8:43pm:

All Abus rantings destroyed by Sapphos logic....but don't expect him to admit this, for it must shame him before allah to be metaphorically routed by an infidel female. Wink

A moslem will NEVER, EVER, concede that the logic and reason of an 'unbeliever', can expose a fault within ISLAM.

ISLAM is Allah's already perfect religion [according to moslems].

THEREFORE, the 'unbeliever' [and his/her logic/reason] is in error, ALWAYS.

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Finally the will of the Egyptians shines through
Reply #24 - Sep 20^th, 2011 at 9:34am

Belgarion wrote on Sep 12^th, 2011 at 8:43pm:

All Abus rantings destroyed by Sapphos logic....but don't expect him to admit this, for it must shame him before allah to be metaphorically routed by an infidel female. Wink

lol...righteo. Do you come with pom poms as well, or is cheer leading a part time job for you.

Oh...and by the way. 'Infidel' is in fact a christian term...it is latin, to describe one of little faith. It is/was used by Christians in fact, to describe muslims and other peoples of the orient.

You may know of the english equivalent...that being 'infidelity'.

I suggest you do some research before making yourself look foolish...again.

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