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How to be a Muslim reformer
Aug 5th, 2008 at 7:53pm
 
Just thought I'd help mozza and jordan out a little in their quest to find the perfect Muslim reformer. Here's 7 nice & simple tips you can pass onto any prospective Muslim Reformer that you happen to run into Smiley

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How to be a Muslim reformer


After reading an article on Wafa Sultan (the up-and-coming Muslim reformer) in the New York Times today, it occured to me that I should get on this reformer bandwagon before the market gets saturated. I'm articulate, telegenic, exotic (yet oh so fluffy and Westernized), not to mention female (oppressed by rigid Islamic paternalism, naturally). Too bad I've got so many other little schemes on the go and can't spare the time for this one. However, I've written a handy little guide for aspiring refuseniks, male or female, Muslim or non-Muslim. Hopefully it will inspire readers to lead the charge in enlightening the benighted Islamic world.

1. Keep it simple
First and foremost, don't bother actually studying the religion or recent MENA history. Take a page from Pundita's book: no need for research when you're painting with a really big brush. If you absolutely must research, this site is a treasure trove of convenient black and white stereotyping.

2. Have an angle
Find or manufacture a useful "turning point" in your life that made you realize Islam was a bigoted and/or violent religion. In Irshad Manji's case, it was being kicked out of her madrasa for demanding proof of a Jewish conspiracy. For Wafa Sultan, it was watching the Muslim Brotherhood kill a professor at her university in Aleppo. Of course, it's helpful not to mention Hafez Assad's response. I recall Irshad was all for Emergency Law in Egypt because Naguib Mahfouz was roughed up by some Islamist thugs: "Excuse me, but if that's a reason to maim (and possibly kill), it's equally a reason for security forces to crack down on the thugs. Bring on the Emergency Law" (128).

Ahem, moving on...

3. Write a book
Start holding interviews just prior to (or immediately after) publishing a book that claims to spearhead a reform movement and/or turn the Islamic world on its head. Tell the NYT that the working title is The Escaped Prisoner: When God Is a Monster, because The Trouble with Islam Today is simply too namby-pamby.

4. Become a Western media darling
Be extremely provocative. Make rude statements about Islam and those who follow it. Make sure to have an itemized list of every horrible act commited by Muslims, rulers of Muslim-majority countries, Caliphs, etc. Make fun of Arabs and how childish and barbaric they are compared to Jews and Christians (or in Irshad's case, go one step further and blame everything on the "Arabization" of Islam). Don't bother to mention any similar acts carried out in the name of other Abrahamic religions or even atheist ideologies, such as Communism. This is supposed to be an indictment against Islam, not the vile predictability of human nature and perverse incentives.

5. Remind people that you are constantly under siege
Make sure the media is fully aware of every single death threat you receive as a result of the aforementioned provocative statements. If you're lucky, some wacko will release a fatwa that demands you be stoned, beheaded or strung up in some elaborate medieval way.

6. Rake in the cash
Watch as speaking invitations roll in from hardline right-wing Israeli and US organizations. No, it's not a Jewish conspiracy, but for some odd reason they are in full agreement with your views on Islamic reform. You're definitely on the way to winning Muslim hearts and minds if they're supporting you!

7. Remember your audience
Don't bother engaging Muslims in a respectful yet frank discussion on how to remain faithful to the Prophet's message in our modern, globalized, polarized, terrorized world. You don't even need to talk to Muslims, unless it's to get the extremists frothing at the mouth. Being a true visionary is hard work and requires far too much study, which leaves you hardly any time for gala dinners with pretentious, xenophobic ultra-liberal or ultra-conservative (really, does it matter?) activists who will praise you as a model Muslim making a real difference in the Islamic world.


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Re: How to be a Muslim reformer
Reply #1 - Aug 5th, 2008 at 8:05pm
 
Actually Abu, it is people like you who should be the reformers, instead of declaring all aspects of your western heritage are evil, and all aspects of Islam are perfect, perhaps a more honest appraisal of each will help you find the harmony needed to move forward.
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Reply #2 - Aug 5th, 2008 at 8:26pm
 
Agreed.
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Reply #3 - Aug 5th, 2008 at 8:42pm
 
Come on guys, didn't you find it even remotely funny? Smiley

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instead of declaring all aspects of your western heritage are evil


If I'd done that, then I might be able to take your advice on that one.

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and all aspects of Islam are perfect


If I didn't believe that, then I wouldn't have converted. Islam the word itself, means surrender, and Muslim means 'surrenderer', as I've surrendered my will unto the commands of God, I therefore consider those commands to be perfect and infallible. If I wasn't comfortable accepting that, then I simply wouldn't have become a Muslim. I don't know why you find this point such a stumbling block mozza, I guess it's cos you're used to Christians, who take their religion with a grain of salt. Oh well, you'll get used to it eventually.

In fact, that's why I could never have accepted Christianity, it's a half hearted religion, and therefore lacks the absolute sincerity that Islamic belief is imbued with. I think you'll find that most converts have a similar view, perhaps Malik can comment on that for us.

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perhaps a more honest appraisal of each will help you find the harmony needed to move forward


If anyone needs to move on, it's you Smiley

I'm quite happy and at ease with my beliefs, it's you that isn't.
It's strange, that normally the 'zealous religious proselytiser' would be the one trying to convince the godless infiedel to adopt his beliefs, in our case it's you the supposed enlightened secularist that is insisting all Muslims must convert to your way, or the highway. Interesting Smiley
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Reply #4 - Aug 5th, 2008 at 9:40pm
 
There are plenty of Christians who take the Bible literally. The difference is the extent to which the religion controls those who surrender to it. Islam saves people the trouble of making difficult decisions. 'Turn the other cheek' and 'do unto others' doesn't give much guidance on who to stone and who to set free, or how much tax to charge. You may call it wishy washy, but in the end you still have to think for yourself, even if your a Muslim.
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Reply #5 - Aug 5th, 2008 at 10:10pm
 
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There are plenty of Christians who take the Bible literally.


Although I understand that you feel some Christians go a little far, and you therefore consider them to be "bible literalists", the fact is there's no Christians who actually take the Bible literally. Not that I've come across anyway. Even those who are most strict in adhering to Biblical practises, still leave out quite a lot of stuff, either claiming it's only for nations past, or some other excuse to put it on the side.

And believe me, I've met a lot of different types of Christians, even some who practise polygamy, who don't eat pork, who do all sorts of practises that most Christians would never consider part of their religion, but which is clearly mentioned in the Bible. Yet still they leave quite a lot out and claim it's not relevant.

In contrast, Muslims believe 100% in the divine nature of the Qur'an and that it must be followed 100%, and that removing or rendering any section, or even one single full stop,  invalid, would be tantamount to apostasy.

I do recognise you don't think this is a good thing, don't get your signals crossed. Just bolstering my original points, about why I embraced Islam.
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Reply #6 - Aug 6th, 2008 at 5:38am
 
I find your avatar rather offensive aboo...

Mozz...  I gather this is an example of your most Muslims are moderate.
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Reply #7 - Aug 6th, 2008 at 7:26am
 
Grendel,

What do you find offensive about it?
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Reply #8 - Aug 6th, 2008 at 10:39am
 
Grendel wrote on Aug 6th, 2008 at 5:38am:
I find your avatar rather offensive aboo...

Mozz...  I gather this is an example of your most Muslims are moderate.


lol Cheesy

Oooh...the big bad scary muslims are coming to get us.

EVERY BODY RUN>>>>>> Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #9 - Aug 11th, 2008 at 1:16pm
 
lol...  you see abooo... even someone as intellectually challenged as Lestat gets it.
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Reply #10 - Aug 11th, 2008 at 1:37pm
 
Well I'm an Australian and a Muslim, so I don't see the problem with it. It embodies both of those things, and I don't think it is offensive to either. Nobody else has ever expressed such an offense to me before.

Just for the record do you find these symbols/logos offensive also:

Australia-China Business Alliance:
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Australian-Tibetan Buddhists:
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Australian Jewish Historical Society:
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National Council of Jewish Women of Australia:
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The Australian and New Zealand Masonic Research Council:
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Or is it as I suspected? Your bigotry is reserved only for Muslims?
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Reply #11 - Aug 25th, 2008 at 5:57am
 
rotflmao

none other represents Australia as being totally Muslim
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Reply #12 - Aug 25th, 2008 at 6:04am
 
LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES  ...  LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES


I wouldnt trust a jewish historical society. I'd get bogged in pigshit.
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Reply #13 - Aug 25th, 2008 at 9:15pm
 
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No more than my avatar does, anyway. In fact my avatar is based on an Islamic organisation's logo, which just like the Buddhist and other logos above merely indicates it's an Islamic organisation that happens to be based in Australia and has Australians as it's members.
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Reply #14 - Aug 25th, 2008 at 9:47pm
 
Can you at least admit that to some of us it looks like you're wanting Australia to be an Islamic nation? That's what it looks like.
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