Frank wrote Today at 4:37pm:


No no, that's a political answer. You were asked a question about national sovereignty.

Article 15 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights:

1. Everyone has the right to a nationality.
2. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.

Israel is a signatory to the UNDHR. So, which state do these two not free territories belong to?

We'd like an answer, please. 

Bobby. wrote Today at 11:36am:


No I'm not dickhead.

In any system - Air traffic control, train control. rostering systems than work on a 24 hour clock ....

the systems do not recognise a time of 00.00

the last time for a day is 23.59 hrs & the first time of the new day 00.01 hrs.

I worked within that system for 40 years in rail.

You wouldn't know shyte from clay.

lee wrote Today at 5:46pm:

And the convention is wrong, all times on the conventional 12 hour clock are either post meridiem or ante meridiem except noon which is the meridiem.
Logically it cannot be before or after itself.

UnSubRocky wrote Today at 3:56pm:


Ate a lot of dicks? 

UnSubRocky wrote Today at 3:54pm:



Are you joking? Phuk me hooray.

*1. If you had a medical condition that causes you confusion you shouldn't be driving.

*2. Why should Telstra let you use your phone because you were lost?

*3. Why on earth do you realistically/rationally believe Telstra should void your next bill because of the fuel you used getting lost? You hadn't even paid the last one.

*4. If you were out at Dululu you would have had to go through Calliope which is on the western side of the highway turn off you missed.  Dululu is 146klm from Calliope. And you would also have had to go through Jambin. Or you were stupid enough to go even further into Biloela.

*5. Medical conditions caused by self medicating(alcohol or drugs) are no excuse.

*6. You should have shut your trap i.e. quit whilst you were ahead & not elaborated any further about your delusion & stupidity. 

freediver wrote Today at 7:32am:


Except in the country, because with smaller populations the telcos don't want the hassle.

Bobby. wrote Today at 5:09pm:


No by convention. AFTER noon is PM. Noon is not.

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote Today at 5:14pm:



No it is a mere convention, a workaround, a human abstract. The arabic numbers go from 00.00.01 - 12, or a digital clock 0 - 23.59.59. What you are suggesting is 12 comes before 0. 

freediver wrote Today at 3:58pm:


But of course. We know Israel to be a failed democracy, as per our previous discussions and your own references, all posted in this thread. 

B'Tselem goes further to describe Israel as an apartheid state. This needs a little explaining, as it references the 2024 finding of the International Court of Justice.

The IJC's advisory opinion is linked in the above article. You won't read it, but it refers to the annexation of the occupied territories, the question of self determination and, most importantly, the policies and practices Israel applies to these non-citizens - restrictions on movement, land ownership, demolition of property and other discriminatory practices - such as the recent law passed that introduces the death penalty for Palestinian non-citizens only.

The IJC ruled that Israel breaches Article 3 of the UN Convention of Racial Discrimination, finding Israel guilty of racial segregation and apartheid.

So, B'Tselem's claim is entirely legitimate. It adds weight to South Africa's current case against Israel as a genocidal state. The Israeli PM's current indictment for the war crimes of starvation as a method of warfare and of intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts doesn't help Israel's case much either.

Still, we stand by our Jewish friends in B'Tselem and concede that, indeed, Israel is an apartheid state, a failed democracy and saved from being a total fascist state by one important safeguard: the independence of the Israeli courts.

In January 2024, the Supreme Court overturned Bibi's attempt to turn Israel into a full-blown autocracy. Judges ruled that Israeli courts can still overturn what is deemed to be "unreasonable legislation".

As a result, Bibi's own corruption prosecution continues in the courts. One of the reasons he's pounding Lebanon so hard is the national election in October. Israel is still an electoral democracy with a functioning rule of law for Israeli citizens.

Where it fails is delivering the same rights and freedoms to the Palestinian Druze, Christians and Muslims who share the land, from the river to the sea, with the Israeli immigrants.

Where it also fails is in its international obligations, its expansionist ambitions and its genocidal violence. Israel is the most dangerous state in its region, and not one we should be doing any favours for.

Do you have any further questions?

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 4:57pm:



And yet your logic is flawed. You have given the figures for Xinjiang, but Uighurs are only about 45% of Xinjiang population. For someone who often proclaims "Logic", you show remarkably little.

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 4:57pm:


We are talking China, and you do not show it to be true.

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 4:57pm:


That wasn't the statement.  "And yet most oif the Global South live in dictatorships."

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 4:57pm:


That is your claim, but still no figures that back up your assertion. Why is that?

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 4:57pm:


Ah you are a believer in monoculturism.

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 4:57pm:


Still no figures to back up your claim.

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 4:57pm:


So now we have unlimited money, but not backed up by relevant resources.

Question how do you pay your bills? Do you have resources? Is money one of those resources?

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 4:57pm:


And still you can't provide figures, but you point to infinite money to provide these non-infinite resources.

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 4:57pm:


Ah, so AI will make farming better, somehow? I mean apart from geo-mapping for ploughing, seeding, harvesting etc, which all occur now, without AI. It will make ships sail better lines etc?

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 4:57pm:


How sad. Wrong logic again. It is the resource that sells, fuel, grain whatever. No resources - no sales.

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 4:57pm:


AI is still a child biased by its original programmers.

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 4:57pm:


Nope. Machines can''t produce "limitless" anything. They are all coinstrained by their individual resources. Oh I see you agree. 

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 4:57pm:


And yet above you argued that there was no constraint.