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Reply #30 - Oct 14^th, 2026 at 6:08pm

If you still can't work it out after this, you are beyond senile.

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WASHINGTON — Minnesota Rep. Ilhan Omar’s home was raided early Monday morning by the Department of Homeland Security as part of an ongoing criminal fraud investigation into the Somalia-born congresswoman’s immigration paperwork.

https://nypost.com/2026/10/12/us-news/rep-ilhan-omars-dc-home-raided-by-dhs-as-p...

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Re: Ilhan Omar’s home raided by trump goons
Reply #31 - Oct 14^th, 2026 at 6:48pm

Setanta wrote on Oct 14^th, 2026 at 6:08pm:

If you still can't work it out after this, you are beyond senile.

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WASHINGTON — Minnesota Rep. Ilhan Omar’s home was raided early Monday morning by the Department of Homeland Security as part of an ongoing criminal fraud investigation into the Somalia-born congresswoman’s immigration paperwork.

https://nypost.com/2026/10/12/us-news/rep-ilhan-omars-dc-home-raided-by-dhs-as-p...

Thanks, Setanta. Cheers, big ears.

Looks like we have a problem. The threshold for criminal immigration fraud requires proof of intent, beyond a reasonable doubt. More:

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To win these cases, the government generally must prove several separate elements with a high burden of proof. First, it must show that the person made a false statement or concealed information before naturalization. Second, that the misrepresentation was intentional and not accidental. Third, the hidden information must have been “material,” meaning important to the government’s decision-making process. Finally, the government must establish that the misrepresentation actually contributed to the grant of citizenship.

https://evergreenattorneys.com/legal-world/denaturalization-can-my-u-s-citizensh...

Now, we know that Ilhan's father applied for her citizenship. After all, Ilhan was raided to find evidence of his application - as if she could possibly possess evidence of a parent's 26 year old citizenship application. So there's that.

But then there's this. Ilhan obtained citizenship in 2000. The statute of limitations for criminal immigration fraud is ten years.

So, any criminal charges would be automatically thrown out of court. Immigration cases are nearly always pressed in the civil courts, with a lower burden of proof and no statute of limitations.

Now, while DHS may have legally obtained a search warrant, they can't possibly prove willful intent or criminal fraud. Nor can they criminally indict Ilhan under the statute of limitations.

Whatever "evidence" ICE whisked away in their photo-friendly boxes, it did not include saved copies of her father's citizenship application. That's a prima facie given.

I put it to you that those evidence boxes were empty.

You?

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Re: Ilhan Omar’s home raided by trump goons
Reply #32 - Oct 14^th, 2026 at 7:04pm

Marry your brother, lie about your birthday, whatever it takes

But the congresswoman’s staff moved to shift the date forward by one year in May 2019 after a video from a political opponent went viral that claimed Omar was fibbing about her age, according to emails reviewed by The Post.

“On May 17, 2019, Library staff were informed by Rep. Omar’s congressional staff that her birth year was incorrect and requested that we change it to 1982,” wrote the director of the Minnesota Legislative Reference Library in an email just days after the change was made.

https://www.aol.com/articles/rep-ilhan-omar-staff-got-210034000.html

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Re: Ilhan Omar’s home raided by trump goons
Reply #33 - Oct 14^th, 2026 at 7:26pm

Gordon wrote on Oct 14^th, 2026 at 7:04pm:

Marry your brother, lie about your birthday, whatever it takes

But the congresswoman’s staff moved to shift the date forward by one year in May 2019 after a video from a political opponent went viral that claimed Omar was fibbing about her age, according to emails reviewed by The Post.

“On May 17, 2019, Library staff were informed by Rep. Omar’s congressional staff that her birth year was incorrect and requested that we change it to 1982,” wrote the director of the Minnesota Legislative Reference Library in an email just days after the change was made.

https://www.aol.com/articles/rep-ilhan-omar-staff-got-210034000.html

Thanks for this, Gordon. The New York Post are all over this one, eh?

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: If the congresswoman is actually one year older than she’s claimed to be, that would mean she couldn’t have legally become a US citizen in 2000, critics contend.

Can you explain why "critics contend" this, please?

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Re: Ilhan Omar’s home raided by trump goons
Reply #34 - Oct 14^th, 2026 at 7:59pm

Enquiring mind wrote on Oct 14^th, 2026 at 6:48pm:

Setanta wrote on Oct 14^th, 2026 at 6:08pm:

If you still can't work it out after this, you are beyond senile.

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WASHINGTON — Minnesota Rep. Ilhan Omar’s home was raided early Monday morning by the Department of Homeland Security as part of an ongoing criminal fraud investigation into the Somalia-born congresswoman’s immigration paperwork.

https://nypost.com/2026/10/12/us-news/rep-ilhan-omars-dc-home-raided-by-dhs-as-p...

Thanks, Setanta. Cheers, big ears.

Looks like we have a problem. The threshold for criminal immigration fraud requires proof of intent, beyond a reasonable doubt. More:

Quote:

To win these cases, the government generally must prove several separate elements with a high burden of proof. First, it must show that the person made a false statement or concealed information before naturalization. Second, that the misrepresentation was intentional and not accidental. Third, the hidden information must have been “material,” meaning important to the government’s decision-making process. Finally, the government must establish that the misrepresentation actually contributed to the grant of citizenship.

https://evergreenattorneys.com/legal-world/denaturalization-can-my-u-s-citizensh...

Now, we know that Ilhan's father applied for her citizenship. After all, Ilhan was raided to find evidence of his application - as if she could possibly possess evidence of a parent's 26 year old citizenship application. So there's that.

But then there's this. Ilhan obtained citizenship in 2000. The statute of limitations for criminal immigration fraud is ten years.

So, any criminal charges would be automatically thrown out of court. Immigration cases are nearly always pressed in the civil courts, with a lower burden of proof and no statute of limitations.

Now, while DHS may have legally obtained a search warrant, they can't possibly prove willful intent or criminal fraud. Nor can they criminally indict Ilhan under the statute of limitations.

Whatever "evidence" ICE whisked away in their photo-friendly boxes, it did not include saved copies of her father's citizenship application. That's a prima facie given.

I put it to you that those evidence boxes were empty.

You?

She can though have her fraudulent citizenship revoked and as a non-citizen be deported.

It was not ICE, it was DHS.

Oh, BTW, I was just answering Armchair's question as best I could and then your senile questions, you have a beef with that? I am not a US citizen or in DHS, don't take your butthurt out on me if you don't like the answer.

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Re: Ilhan Omar’s home raided by trump goons
Reply #35 - Oct 14^th, 2026 at 8:06pm

Enquiring mind wrote on Oct 14^th, 2026 at 7:26pm:

Gordon wrote on Oct 14^th, 2026 at 7:04pm:

Marry your brother, lie about your birthday, whatever it takes

But the congresswoman’s staff moved to shift the date forward by one year in May 2019 after a video from a political opponent went viral that claimed Omar was fibbing about her age, according to emails reviewed by The Post.

“On May 17, 2019, Library staff were informed by Rep. Omar’s congressional staff that her birth year was incorrect and requested that we change it to 1982,” wrote the director of the Minnesota Legislative Reference Library in an email just days after the change was made.

https://www.aol.com/articles/rep-ilhan-omar-staff-got-210034000.html

Thanks for this, Gordon. The New York Post are all over this one, eh?

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: If the congresswoman is actually one year older than she’s claimed to be, that would mean she couldn’t have legally become a US citizen in 2000, critics contend.

Can you explain why "critics contend" this, please?

Why can't you read for yourself?

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Re: Ilhan Omar’s home raided by trump goons
Reply #36 - Oct 14^th, 2026 at 8:06pm

Setanta wrote on Oct 14^th, 2026 at 7:59pm:

Enquiring mind wrote on Oct 14^th, 2026 at 6:48pm:

Setanta wrote on Oct 14^th, 2026 at 6:08pm:

If you still can't work it out after this, you are beyond senile.

Quote:

WASHINGTON — Minnesota Rep. Ilhan Omar’s home was raided early Monday morning by the Department of Homeland Security as part of an ongoing criminal fraud investigation into the Somalia-born congresswoman’s immigration paperwork.

https://nypost.com/2026/10/12/us-news/rep-ilhan-omars-dc-home-raided-by-dhs-as-p...

Thanks, Setanta. Cheers, big ears.

Looks like we have a problem. The threshold for criminal immigration fraud requires proof of intent, beyond a reasonable doubt. More:

Quote:

To win these cases, the government generally must prove several separate elements with a high burden of proof. First, it must show that the person made a false statement or concealed information before naturalization. Second, that the misrepresentation was intentional and not accidental. Third, the hidden information must have been “material,” meaning important to the government’s decision-making process. Finally, the government must establish that the misrepresentation actually contributed to the grant of citizenship.

https://evergreenattorneys.com/legal-world/denaturalization-can-my-u-s-citizensh...

Now, we know that Ilhan's father applied for her citizenship. After all, Ilhan was raided to find evidence of his application - as if she could possibly possess evidence of a parent's 26 year old citizenship application. So there's that.

But then there's this. Ilhan obtained citizenship in 2000. The statute of limitations for criminal immigration fraud is ten years.

So, any criminal charges would be automatically thrown out of court. Immigration cases are nearly always pressed in the civil courts, with a lower burden of proof and no statute of limitations.

Now, while DHS may have legally obtained a search warrant, they can't possibly prove willful intent or criminal fraud. Nor can they criminally indict Ilhan under the statute of limitations.

Whatever "evidence" ICE whisked away in their photo-friendly boxes, it did not include saved copies of her father's citizenship application. That's a prima facie given.

I put it to you that those evidence boxes were empty.

You?

She can though have her fraudulent citizenship revoked and as a non-citizen be deported.

It was not ICE, it was DHS.

Thanks for that, Setanta. You're right, of course.

ICE agents merely carried the boxes.

Fraud requires proof of intent to deceive. Criminal fraud carries an even higher bar, as you've been shown.

So I'm curious. How could Ilhan possibly be proven culpable if she obtained citizenship from her father?

Please explain?

You're free to address the criminal statute of limitations in another post if you like.

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Re: Ilhan Omar’s home raided by trump goons
Reply #37 - Oct 14^th, 2026 at 8:10pm

Enquiring mind wrote on Oct 14^th, 2026 at 8:06pm:

Setanta wrote on Oct 14^th, 2026 at 7:59pm:

Enquiring mind wrote on Oct 14^th, 2026 at 6:48pm:

Setanta wrote on Oct 14^th, 2026 at 6:08pm:

If you still can't work it out after this, you are beyond senile.

Quote:

WASHINGTON — Minnesota Rep. Ilhan Omar’s home was raided early Monday morning by the Department of Homeland Security as part of an ongoing criminal fraud investigation into the Somalia-born congresswoman’s immigration paperwork.

https://nypost.com/2026/10/12/us-news/rep-ilhan-omars-dc-home-raided-by-dhs-as-p...

Thanks, Setanta. Cheers, big ears.

Looks like we have a problem. The threshold for criminal immigration fraud requires proof of intent, beyond a reasonable doubt. More:

Quote:

To win these cases, the government generally must prove several separate elements with a high burden of proof. First, it must show that the person made a false statement or concealed information before naturalization. Second, that the misrepresentation was intentional and not accidental. Third, the hidden information must have been “material,” meaning important to the government’s decision-making process. Finally, the government must establish that the misrepresentation actually contributed to the grant of citizenship.

https://evergreenattorneys.com/legal-world/denaturalization-can-my-u-s-citizensh...

Now, we know that Ilhan's father applied for her citizenship. After all, Ilhan was raided to find evidence of his application - as if she could possibly possess evidence of a parent's 26 year old citizenship application. So there's that.

But then there's this. Ilhan obtained citizenship in 2000. The statute of limitations for criminal immigration fraud is ten years.

So, any criminal charges would be automatically thrown out of court. Immigration cases are nearly always pressed in the civil courts, with a lower burden of proof and no statute of limitations.

Now, while DHS may have legally obtained a search warrant, they can't possibly prove willful intent or criminal fraud. Nor can they criminally indict Ilhan under the statute of limitations.

Whatever "evidence" ICE whisked away in their photo-friendly boxes, it did not include saved copies of her father's citizenship application. That's a prima facie given.

I put it to you that those evidence boxes were empty.

You?

She can though have her fraudulent citizenship revoked and as a non-citizen be deported.

It was not ICE, it was DHS.

Thanks for that, Setanta. You're right, of course.

ICE agents merely carried the boxes.

Fraud requires proof of intent to deceive. Criminal fraud carries an even higher bar, as you've been shown.

So I'm curious. How could Ilhan possibly be proven culpable if she obtained citizenship from her father?

Please explain?

F'in embicile! She was ether 17 and a minor or not. If not the citizenship was fraudulent. She knew her date of birth, if she was 18 she was involved in the fraud, she's not some lost soul refugee. Do you know her family's history in Somalia?

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Re: Ilhan Omar’s home raided by trump goons
Reply #38 - Oct 14^th, 2026 at 8:22pm

Setanta wrote on Oct 14^th, 2026 at 8:10pm: