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Reply #15 - Oct 4th, 2026 at 10:37am
 
Frank wrote on Oct 4th, 2026 at 10:28am:
There is no historical or anthropological evidence of a true matriarchy if defined as the literal, structural inverse of patriarchy—a society where women systematically rule over, dominate, and subjugate men. Anthropologists generally agree that the concept of an ancient matriarchal prehistory is a myth. It is heavily influenced by 19th-century evolutionary theories and modern political projections. However, matrilinear societies existed and continue to exist.
The confusion often comes from conflating a "matriarchy" (female domination, the obverse of patriarchy) with social structures where women are more prominent.


Thanks for the copy and paste, fruitbat. Hope it made you feel relevant.

Meanwhile, we already dispensed with this. Or at least i did. The males 'round these parts are ornery.
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Reply #16 - Oct 4th, 2026 at 8:49pm
 
mothra wrote on Oct 4th, 2026 at 9:43am:
First up, women are not defenseless and you underestimate us at your peril.

But don't bother trying to tell us your wife agrees with you as some sort of leverage. As you kinda do a lot.


The horrible partiarchy must be shaking in their boots!  Grin

When have I used what my wife says as leverage, it was to show not all women as as insane as you, some can be rational. And if I do it a lot, please show me fibber. Roll Eyes
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Reply #17 - Oct 4th, 2026 at 11:59pm
 
mothra wrote on Sep 29th, 2026 at 7:30am:
Were the Celts matriarchal? Ancient DNA reveals men married into local, powerful female lineages


An analysis of dozens of British Iron Age skeletons has revealed that Celtic society was organized around women.


Celtic society in England was female-focused 2,000 years ago, a genetic study of Iron Age skeletons reveals. DNA analysis of dozens of ancient burials uncovered a community whose lineage could be traced back to one woman, and showed that men joined the group upon marriage.

"This is the first time this type of system has been documented in European prehistory," study lead author Lara Cassidy, a human geneticist at Trinity College Dublin, said in a statement, "and it predicts female social and political empowerment. It's relatively rare in modern societies, but this might not always have been the case."

Cassidy and her team analyzed the genomes of 57 people who were buried in cemeteries in Dorset, a county in southwest England, to investigate the social structure of the Durotriges, a Celtic tribe that occupied the coast between 100 B.C. and A.D. 100. Their study was published Wednesday (Jan. 15) in the journal Nature.

Historically, little is known about the pre-Roman people of Britain, although Julius Caesar wrote about the Iceni tribe, which was later ruled by Boudica, and noted that Celtic women were allowed to marry multiple men. But archaeological evidence from Celtic graves has long suggested that women were buried with prestigious items, hinting at their high status.

To figure out who was buried in the Dorset cemeteries, the researchers first sequenced the buried individuals' genomes. They discovered that 85% of the people were related to one another. Additionally, more than two-thirds of these relatives shared a rare mitochondrial DNA lineage — U5b1 — and Y chromosome diversity was high, meaning most people had the same maternal ancestors but not the same paternal ones.

"The U5b1 haplogroup has an ancient association with Europe and Britain," Cassidy told Live Science in an email, but "the few modern individuals who belong to this haplotype are not necessarily direct descendants of women who lived in this community."

Further investigation of the genomic data allowed the research team to generate a family tree that began with one founding woman and her four daughters and spanned at least two centuries and several generations. Given that most of the family members who did not share the same mitochondrial DNA were male, they suspected men were marrying into this community.

"Using genetic data, we found multiple incidences of fathers," Cassidy told Live Science in an email, "one of whom had two adult daughters with the same mother. It is highly likely these individuals were considered husbands to women in the community."

Because the partners they found showed no evidence of recent relatedness, the researchers suggested in the study that these Celts "had a deep knowledge of their own genealogies, which may have been used to guide marital arrangements among a pool of related groups in the local region."

Additionally, the researchers studied previously published genetic data from over 150 archaeological sites across Europe. They found that the British Iron Age was unique in having low mitochondrial genetic diversity and high Y chromosome diversity, meaning that Celtic groups all over Britain were likely organized around important maternal lineages.

Tom Booth, a bioarchaeologist at the Francis Crick Institute in London who was not involved in the study, told Live Science in an email that this study is "one of the most compelling examples of how archaeogenetics is maturing," as it focuses on the history of a specific ancient community.

"We should be cautious when interpreting patterns of genetic relatedness in ancient cemeteries," Booth said, since "we cannot be sure something equivalent to marriage as we understand it existed in Iron Age societies in Britain" and should not assume that people who were buried together lived together.

Nevertheless, the study has "pretty exquisite detail on how maternal relationships were often pre-eminent in deciding who ended up in particular Durotriges cemeteries," Booth said, and the analysis "allows us to glimpse them much more on their own terms rather than through a Roman lens."

That lens appears to have been female-focused, which resonates with Roman descriptions of Celtic women. The researchers concluded in their study that "although classical depictions of conquered peoples are often viewed with scepticism, we find here some truths in these writers' appraisal of Iron Age Britain."


https://www.livescience.com/archaeology/were-the-celts-matriarchal-ancient-dna-r...

So no matriarchy, then.

Ta.
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Reply #18 - Oct 5th, 2026 at 1:34pm
 
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Reply #19 - Oct 5th, 2026 at 3:00pm
 
Frank wrote on Oct 4th, 2026 at 11:59pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 29th, 2026 at 7:30am:
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Celtic society in England was female-focused 2,000 years ago.......

.......To figure out who was buried in the Dorset cemeteries, the researchers first sequenced the buried individuals' genomes.

1/      They discovered that 85% of the people were related to one another.

2/      Additionally, more than two-thirds of these relatives shared a rare mitochondrial DNA lineage — U5b1 — and Y chromosome diversity was high, meaning most people had the same maternal ancestors but not the same paternal ones.



So no matriarchy, then.

Ta.




Clearly, those ancient Dorset inhabitants......were most certainly....recent immigrants from Tasmania.

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Reply #20 - Oct 7th, 2026 at 7:32am
 
Frank wrote on Oct 4th, 2026 at 11:59pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 29th, 2026 at 7:30am:
Were the Celts matriarchal? Ancient DNA reveals men married into local, powerful female lineages


An analysis of dozens of British Iron Age skeletons has revealed that Celtic society was organized around women.


Celtic society in England was female-focused 2,000 years ago, a genetic study of Iron Age skeletons reveals. DNA analysis of dozens of ancient burials uncovered a community whose lineage could be traced back to one woman, and showed that men joined the group upon marriage.

"This is the first time this type of system has been documented in European prehistory," study lead author Lara Cassidy, a human geneticist at Trinity College Dublin, said in a statement, "and it predicts female social and political empowerment. It's relatively rare in modern societies, but this might not always have been the case."

Cassidy and her team analyzed the genomes of 57 people who were buried in cemeteries in Dorset, a county in southwest England, to investigate the social structure of the Durotriges, a Celtic tribe that occupied the coast between 100 B.C. and A.D. 100. Their study was published Wednesday (Jan. 15) in the journal Nature.

Historically, little is known about the pre-Roman people of Britain, although Julius Caesar wrote about the Iceni tribe, which was later ruled by Boudica, and noted that Celtic women were allowed to marry multiple men. But archaeological evidence from Celtic graves has long suggested that women were buried with prestigious items, hinting at their high status.

To figure out who was buried in the Dorset cemeteries, the researchers first sequenced the buried individuals' genomes. They discovered that 85% of the people were related to one another. Additionally, more than two-thirds of these relatives shared a rare mitochondrial DNA lineage — U5b1 — and Y chromosome diversity was high, meaning most people had the same maternal ancestors but not the same paternal ones.

"The U5b1 haplogroup has an ancient association with Europe and Britain," Cassidy told Live Science in an email, but "the few modern individuals who belong to this haplotype are not necessarily direct descendants of women who lived in this community."

Further investigation of the genomic data allowed the research team to generate a family tree that began with one founding woman and her four daughters and spanned at least two centuries and several generations. Given that most of the family members who did not share the same mitochondrial DNA were male, they suspected men were marrying into this community.

"Using genetic data, we found multiple incidences of fathers," Cassidy told Live Science in an email, "one of whom had two adult daughters with the same mother. It is highly likely these individuals were considered husbands to women in the community."

Because the partners they found showed no evidence of recent relatedness, the researchers suggested in the study that these Celts "had a deep knowledge of their own genealogies, which may have been used to guide marital arrangements among a pool of related groups in the local region."

Additionally, the researchers studied previously published genetic data from over 150 archaeological sites across Europe. They found that the British Iron Age was unique in having low mitochondrial genetic diversity and high Y chromosome diversity, meaning that Celtic groups all over Britain were likely organized around important maternal lineages.

Tom Booth, a bioarchaeologist at the Francis Crick Institute in London who was not involved in the study, told Live Science in an email that this study is "one of the most compelling examples of how archaeogenetics is maturing," as it focuses on the history of a specific ancient community.

"We should be cautious when interpreting patterns of genetic relatedness in ancient cemeteries," Booth said, since "we cannot be sure something equivalent to marriage as we understand it existed in Iron Age societies in Britain" and should not assume that people who were buried together lived together.

Nevertheless, the study has "pretty exquisite detail on how maternal relationships were often pre-eminent in deciding who ended up in particular Durotriges cemeteries," Booth said, and the analysis "allows us to glimpse them much more on their own terms rather than through a Roman lens."

That lens appears to have been female-focused, which resonates with Roman descriptions of Celtic women. The researchers concluded in their study that "although classical depictions of conquered peoples are often viewed with scepticism, we find here some truths in these writers' appraisal of Iron Age Britain."


https://www.livescience.com/archaeology/were-the-celts-matriarchal-ancient-dna-r...

So no matriarchy, then.

Ta.




If you're going to deep dive in threads, do try to look for the posts that discuss what you take out of context.

Or was this a more devious reposting?

Wouldn't surprise me.

In any event, i'm no more interested in repeating myself for you that Setanta.

No point.
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Re: Matriarchy
Reply #21 - Oct 7th, 2026 at 8:45am
 
mothra wrote on Oct 7th, 2026 at 7:32am:
Frank wrote on Oct 4th, 2026 at 11:59pm:
So no matriarchy, then.

Ta.


If you're going to deep dive in threads, do try to look for the posts that discuss what you take out of context.

Or was this a more devious reposting?

Wouldn't surprise me.

In any event, i'm no more interested in repeating myself for you that Setanta.

No point.


Simp started this thread and called it matriarchy.
The existence of matriarchies was questioned/disputed.
You jumped in asseting female governance and centrality (matriarchy in other words).
Then you posted a long article in support of your assertions but your own article doesnt suppurt the thesis of matfriarchy, only matrilinearity, which nobody ever disputed.
Finally you go all miffy and accuse me of being devious when I point out that your own arthcle doesnt support your claims of matriarchy.
Mebbe just ask Simp to rename the thread Matrilinearity and let it die as another banality thread.

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Reply #22 - Oct 7th, 2026 at 8:55am
 
Frank wrote on Oct 7th, 2026 at 8:45am:
mothra wrote on Oct 7th, 2026 at 7:32am:
Frank wrote on Oct 4th, 2026 at 11:59pm:
So no matriarchy, then.

Ta.


If you're going to deep dive in threads, do try to look for the posts that discuss what you take out of context.

Or was this a more devious reposting?

Wouldn't surprise me.

In any event, i'm no more interested in repeating myself for you that Setanta.

No point.


Simp started this thread and called it matriarchy.
The existence of matriarchies was questioned/disputed.
You jumped in asseting female governance and centrality (matriarchy in other words).
Then you posted a long article in support of your assertions but your own article doesnt suppurt the thesis of matfriarchy, only matrilinearity, which nobody ever disputed.
Finally you go all miffy and accuse me of being devious when I point out that your own arthcle doesnt support your claims of matriarchy.
Mebbe just ask Simp to rename the thread Matrilinearity and let it die as another banality thread.




You're quite wrong. I said in the post before i linked this paper that thre was no true matriarchy found yet through our analysis of history.

I said a lot more than that .... but you missed it.

You usually do.

Would you like to go back and see what i said or do you need me to copy and paste it in for you?
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Reply #23 - Oct 7th, 2026 at 9:21am
 
mothra wrote on Oct 7th, 2026 at 8:55am:
Frank wrote on Oct 7th, 2026 at 8:45am:
mothra wrote on Oct 7th, 2026 at 7:32am:
Frank wrote on Oct 4th, 2026 at 11:59pm:
So no matriarchy, then.

Ta.


If you're going to deep dive in threads, do try to look for the posts that discuss what you take out of context.

Or was this a more devious reposting?

Wouldn't surprise me.

In any event, i'm no more interested in repeating myself for you that Setanta.

No point.


Simp started this thread and called it matriarchy.
The existence of matriarchies was questioned/disputed.
You jumped in asseting female governance and centrality (matriarchy in other words).
Then you posted a long article in support of your assertions but your own article doesnt suppurt the thesis of matfriarchy, only matrilinearity, which nobody ever disputed.
Finally you go all miffy and accuse me of being devious when I point out that your own arthcle doesnt support your claims of matriarchy.
Mebbe just ask Simp to rename the thread Matrilinearity and let it die as another banality thread.




You're quite wrong. I said in the post before i linked this paper that thre was no true matriarchy found yet through our analysis of history.

I said a lot more than that .... but you missed it.

You usually do.

Would you like to go back and see what i said or do you need me to copy and paste it in for you?



You defined patriarchy as "absolute power" and said women are not as stupid as to pursue absolute power as men do.
That is a very stupid and slyly dishonest characterisation of men so you were happy to concede that on your dishonestly defined terms, there were no female equivalents of such male stupidity.

Big of you frightbat. Stupid, dishonest, grotesque but still, your concession.

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Reply #24 - Oct 7th, 2026 at 9:53am
 
Frank wrote on Oct 7th, 2026 at 9:21am:
mothra wrote on Oct 7th, 2026 at 8:55am:
Frank wrote on Oct 7th, 2026 at 8:45am:
mothra wrote on Oct 7th, 2026 at 7:32am:
Frank wrote on Oct 4th, 2026 at 11:59pm:
So no matriarchy, then.

Ta.


If you're going to deep dive in threads, do try to look for the posts that discuss what you take out of context.

Or was this a more devious reposting?

Wouldn't surprise me.

In any event, i'm no more interested in repeating myself for you that Setanta.

No point.


Simp started this thread and called it matriarchy.
The existence of matriarchies was questioned/disputed.
You jumped in asseting female governance and centrality (matriarchy in other words).
Then you posted a long article in support of your assertions but your own article doesnt suppurt the thesis of matfriarchy, only matrilinearity, which nobody ever disputed.
Finally you go all miffy and accuse me of being devious when I point out that your own arthcle doesnt support your claims of matriarchy.
Mebbe just ask Simp to rename the thread Matrilinearity and let it die as another banality thread.




You're quite wrong. I said in the post before i linked this paper that thre was no true matriarchy found yet through our analysis of history.

I said a lot more than that .... but you missed it.

You usually do.

Would you like to go back and see what i said or do you need me to copy and paste it in for you?



You defined patriarchy as "absolute power" and said women are not as stupid as to pursue absolute power as men do.
That is a very stupid and slyly dishonest characterisation of men so you were happy to concede that on your dishonestly defined terms, there were no female equivalents of such male stupidity.

Big of you frightbat. Stupid, dishonest, grotesque but still, your concession.




Oh? Are we in agreement that there have been many egalitarian societies throughout history? That we are finding more and more about such daily?hat women have been active and powerful active members of history ... so routinely written by a bloke yet we persevere.

Ask yourselves why it's so important to you to relegate us to footnote. To suggest we have never had any agency. To suggest we were never a threat.

Then ask yourselves why you yourselves are so far down on the totem pole that you feel bolstered by such slim pickings.

All i'm getting is the chest thumping of low quality men.

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Reply #25 - Oct 7th, 2026 at 11:05am
 
mothra wrote on Oct 7th, 2026 at 9:53am:
Oh? Are we in agreement that there have been many egalitarian societies throughout history? That we are finding more and more about such daily?hat women have been active and powerful active members of history ... so routinely written by a bloke yet we persevere.

Ask yourselves why it's so important to you to relegate us to footnote. To suggest we have never had any agency. To suggest we were never a threat.

Then ask yourselves why you yourselves are so far down on the totem pole that you feel bolstered by such slim pickings.


All i'm getting is the chest thumping of low quality men.




Cheesy Cheesy

You attribute to me bombastic, idiotic, malicious ideas that in fact crowd your own mind and which I never said or implied.

When it is pointed out that you OVERstate your case your moronic, ignorant, devious defence is that you are responding to nullity, to absolute erasure, to total this and complete that.

Like Simp, you operate in a saints and devils world.
Ludicrous.
Scatter some underwear to complete the scene.



PS.

Just for slow ones at the back of the class - saying that you are a bombastic fool doesn't say that all women are. You are afflicted as an individual, as is Simp.


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Reply #26 - Oct 7th, 2026 at 11:43am
 
mothra wrote on Oct 7th, 2026 at 9:53am:
All i'm getting is the chest thumping of low quality men.


Grin

That's rich coming from a narcisistic, gaslighting low quality woman.
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Reply #28 - Oct 8th, 2026 at 10:23am
 
women make up 51% of the population and commit 9% of the violent crimes.

women are more educated at men at every level

women are biologically superior. outliving men by 6 years.

when women lead, violent crimes go down and communities get stronger.
when men lead, the opposite occurs


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“Women are made to fly and soar,” she wrote, “not to creep and crawl, as the haters of our sex want us to.”
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