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Reply #15 - Sep 19^th, 2026 at 7:11am

aquascoot wrote on Sep 19^th, 2026 at 6:45am:

Probably the main complaint about Tesla would be Elon requiring you to take out a monthly subscription if you want all the tech. The self drive , the entertainment system etc

On the other hand - whompy wheels, blazing batteries, deadly door handles - all come as standard.

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Reply #18 - Sep 19^th, 2026 at 12:20pm

Gnads wrote on Sep 18^th, 2026 at 2:50pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 17^th, 2026 at 11:03pm:

Jasin wrote on Sep 17^th, 2026 at 3:16pm:

They are costly to service, maintain and expensive parts if needed.
With electricity so expensive, where is the gain over petrol, etc?
Especially when it takes up to 6 hours to charge. Roll Eyes

The idea being that you would be using solar panels on the roof of your house to help charge your vehicle for little cost.

It might be ok for you - not that you'll ever own one ...I don't think you should even be allowed to drive.

But tell me Einstein how are most people, who have to go to work through the day going to be able to charge their car at home?

Solar doesn't work at night. Roll Eyes

You don't give anything much thought - just blurt out your usual bs & think it's relevant.

Standard home charging kits for EVs take 12 to 14 hrs to charge a vehicle.

Consideration also needs to be taken as to what amps the charging kit draws & what household appliances are used whilst the car is charging ....

otherwise it will be forever tripping the ELCB for the house.

In the next 10 years, I might own an electric vehicle. We probably all won't have a choice what vehicle we own.

I would be assuming that most people work an 8 to 4 or a 9 to 5 job. I don't. My hours are more like 3 to 9 or a 5 to 11pm. Therefore, this hypothetical electric vehicle I own would get charged from sunrise to about 2:30pm, using electricity generated from my hypothetical solar panels on the roof.

I don't know about your situation, but my parents use solar panels just to cut their power bills due to the amount of electricity that they use during the day. But they still use power at night with cooking, television and lights. At a guess (and I could find out Monday), Mum and Dad might also be using some storage for their power.

As for electric vehicle owners who charge their vehicles at night, some have claimed that their electric bill for charging their vehicle costs one-tenth that of what they were paying with their petrol/diesel powered vehicles.

I have no experience with charging electric vehicles. From memory reading about this online, a vehicle can be charged from near empty to about 70% or 80% in about half an hour. The remainder might take hours to get to near 100%. And why would you need to charge your car during the day. You should not need to be driving such a distance to get to work and not have enough charge in your car to not be able to get home.

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Reply #19 - Sep 19^th, 2026 at 12:29pm

aquascoot wrote on Sep 19^th, 2026 at 6:45am:

Probably the main complaint about Tesla would be Elon requiring you to take out a monthly subscription if you want all the tech. The self drive , the entertainment system etc

Getting a cd player put into my first car was all the rage back in the late 1990s. I thought I had all I needed for car entertainment. And I did. The car radio to listen to the latest songs. Pumping some music to show off the (poor) taste in music I had. But, these days, that is all I require.

Having google maps would be a bonus for me, in case I get all delulu and drive out to Dululu on my way back from Gladstone. Apart from bluetooth technology to make your phone calls between road trips to the car in front of you, what other technology would an EV provide that you cannot get in other types of modern cars?

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Reply #20 - Sep 19^th, 2026 at 2:40pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 19^th, 2026 at 12:20pm:

............. As for electric vehicle owners who charge their vehicles at night, some have claimed that their electric bill for charging their vehicle costs one-tenth that of what they were paying with their petrol/diesel powered vehicles.

I have no experience with charging electric vehicles. From memory reading about this online, a vehicle can be charged from near empty to about 70% or 80% in about half an hour. The remainder might take hours to get to near 100%. And why would you need to charge your car during the day. You should not need to be driving such a distance to get to work and not have enough charge in your car to not be able to get home.

i've seen figures showing about 1/20th.

the average daily distance driven is about 30 kms.
it does not have to be charged from 0 --> 100 % every day. in fact, almost never

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Reply #21 - Sep 19^th, 2026 at 3:27pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 19^th, 2026 at 12:20pm:

Gnads wrote on Sep 18^th, 2026 at 2:50pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 17^th, 2026 at 11:03pm:

Jasin wrote on Sep 17^th, 2026 at 3:16pm:

They are costly to service, maintain and expensive parts if needed.
With electricity so expensive, where is the gain over petrol, etc?
Especially when it takes up to 6 hours to charge. Roll Eyes

The idea being that you would be using solar panels on the roof of your house to help charge your vehicle for little cost.

It might be ok for you - not that you'll ever own one ...I don't think you should even be allowed to drive.

But tell me Einstein how are most people, who have to go to work through the day going to be able to charge their car at home?

Solar doesn't work at night. Roll Eyes

You don't give anything much thought - just blurt out your usual bs & think it's relevant.

Standard home charging kits for EVs take 12 to 14 hrs to charge a vehicle.

Consideration also needs to be taken as to what amps the charging kit draws & what household appliances are used whilst the car is charging ....

otherwise it will be forever tripping the ELCB for the house.

In the next 10 years, I might own an electric vehicle. We probably all won't have a choice what vehicle we own.

I would be assuming that most people work an 8 to 4 or a 9 to 5 job. I don't. My hours are more like 3 to 9 or a 5 to 11pm. Therefore, this hypothetical electric vehicle I own would get charged from sunrise to about 2:30pm, using electricity generated from my hypothetical solar panels on the roof.

I don't know about your situation, but my parents use solar panels just to cut their power bills due to the amount of electricity that they use during the day. But they still use power at night with cooking, television and lights. At a guess (and I could find out Monday), Mum and Dad might also be using some storage for their power.

As for electric vehicle owners who charge their vehicles at night, some have claimed that their electric bill for charging their vehicle costs one-tenth that of what they were paying with their petrol/diesel powered vehicles.

I have no experience with charging electric vehicles. From memory reading about this online, a vehicle can be charged from near empty to about 70% or 80% in about half an hour. The remainder might take hours to get to near 100%. And why would you need to charge your car during the day. You should not need to be driving such a distance to get to work and not have enough charge in your car to not be able to get home.

Another waste of time with fantasy & hypotheticals.

The premise I posed wasn't about you.

It was about your average day working Joe ----
takes the car to work during the day

how does he use solar to charge his car at night - dickhead. Roll Eyes

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Reply #22 - Sep 19^th, 2026 at 4:06pm

Gnads wrote on Sep 19^th, 2026 at 3:27pm:

Another waste of time with fantasy & hypotheticals.

The premise I posed wasn't about you.

It was about your average day working Joe ----
takes the car to work during the day

how does he use solar to charge his car at night - dickhead. Roll Eyes

You mean to say that you won't entertain any attempt at me answering a hypothetical scenario? Myself, nor any of my family members have an electric vehicle. I cannot tell you an answer as I have not even been inside an electric vehicle.

The average day working Joe might only charge his car every now and then. And, despite your claims, not every person works during the day and every day. Perhaps they keep the car on a charge during the weekend or their days off. And there is nothing wrong with the idea that battery storage could be used for solar panels to allow for that stored energy to be transferred into charging a vehicle at night. Again, I would not know because my electricity usage is from the grid, not solar panels.

Seems like you are the dickhead, with you constant chip on your shoulder attitude. Get your anger management issues sorted out.

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Reply #25 - Sep 23^rd, 2026 at 11:06am

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 19^th, 2026 at 4:06pm:

Gnads wrote on Sep 19^th, 2026 at 3:27pm:

Another waste of time with fantasy & hypotheticals.

The premise I posed wasn't about you.

It was about your average day working Joe ----
takes the car to work during the day

how does he use solar to charge his car at night - dickhead. Roll Eyes

You mean to say that you won't entertain any attempt at me answering a hypothetical scenario? Myself, nor any of my family members have an electric vehicle. I cannot tell you an answer as I have not even been inside an electric vehicle.

The average day working Joe might only charge his car every now and then. And, despite your claims, not every person works during the day and every day. Perhaps they keep the car on a charge during the weekend or their days off. And there is nothing wrong with the idea that battery storage could be used for solar panels to allow for that stored energy to be transferred into charging a vehicle at night. Again, I would not know because my electricity usage is from the grid, not solar panels.

Seems like you are the dickhead, with you constant chip on your shoulder attitude. Get your anger management issues sorted out.

You're a complete imbecile.

You don't need to own an EV to answer the question -

it is a hypothetical question Roll Eyes

if someone owns an EV & goes to work in it during the day

how do they charge it at night with solar?

ahhhhh so now you add the battery storage - which is another considerable oncost that you couldn't afford. Roll Eyes

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Reply #26 - Sep 23^rd, 2026 at 11:13am

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 18^th, 2026 at 3:01pm:

Gnads wrote on Sep 18^th, 2026 at 2:50pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 17^th, 2026 at 11:03pm:

Jasin wrote on Sep 17^th, 2026 at 3:16pm:

They are costly to service, maintain and expensive parts if needed.
With electricity so expensive, where is the gain over petrol, etc?
Especially when it takes up to 6 hours to charge. Roll Eyes

The idea being that you would be using solar panels on the roof of your house to help charge your vehicle for little cost.

It might be ok for you - not that you'll ever own one ...I don't think you should even be allowed to drive.

But tell me Einstein how are most people, who have to go to work through the day going to be able to charge their car at home?

Solar doesn't work at night. Roll Eyes

This is where solar batteries come in. By storing excess solar energy generated during the day, a solar battery allows you to use your own renewable electricity at night or during cloudy periods. As energy prices rise and feed-in tariffs fall, more Australians are considering battery storage as a way to maximise the value of their solar systems.

I'm well aware of the battery storage option Peccarhead

but that is at considerable extra cost

and they, when placed inside a dwelling been responsible for houses burning down

just like plug in EVs, hybrids & e-bikes & e-scooters have.

Battery storage should be in a separate shed in the backyard away from the house.

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Reply #27 - Sep 23^rd, 2026 at 11:20am

On Four Corners this week, reporter Angus Grigg reveals just how much of your personal information can be seen by one Chinese EV, while exposing the potential for surveillance and even sabotage.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-09-21/asleep-at-the-wheel-/107178176

Very interesting.

Oh & there's an interview piece with Chris Bowen ...

a completely oblivious phukwit.

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Reply #28 - Sep 23^rd, 2026 at 3:04pm

Gnads wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2026 at 11:13am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 18^th, 2026 at 3:01pm:

Gnads wrote on Sep 18^th, 2026 at 2:50pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 17^th, 2026 at 11:03pm:

Jasin wrote on Sep 17^th, 2026 at 3:16pm:

They are costly to service, maintain and expensive parts if needed.
With electricity so expensive, where is the gain over petrol, etc?
Especially when it takes up to 6 hours to charge. Roll Eyes

The idea being that you would be using solar panels on the roof of your house to help charge your vehicle for little cost.

It might be ok for you - not that you'll ever own one ...I don't think you should even be allowed to drive.

But tell me Einstein how are most people, who have to go to work through the day going to be able to charge their car at home?

Solar doesn't work at night. Roll Eyes

This is where solar batteries come in. By storing excess solar energy generated during the day, a solar battery allows you to use your own renewable electricity at night or during cloudy periods. As energy prices rise and feed-in tariffs fall, more Australians are considering battery storage as a way to maximise the value of their solar systems.

I'm well aware of the battery storage option Peccarhead

but that is at considerable extra cost

and they, when placed inside a dwelling been responsible for houses burning down

just like plug in EVs, hybrids & e-bikes & e-scooters have.

Battery storage should be in a separate shed in the backyard away from the house.

I can only find one instance of a house burning down because of a solar battery storage system (in Australia).

Candles and cigarettes are responsible for many, many more fires.

According to a Fire & Rescue report, approximately one in every 100 fires attended by Fire and Rescue New South Wales (FRNSW) involves a lithium-ion battery or a device containing them. FRNSW attended 171 lithium-ion incidents in 2022 and 285 in 2023.

But how many of those were residential battery storage system fires?

1 in 2022

3 in 2023

Solar Battery Costs – Are They Worth It?

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Reply #29 - Sep 25^th, 2026 at 1:52am

Gnads wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2026 at 11:06am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 19^th, 2026 at 4:06pm:

Gnads wrote on Sep 19^th, 2026 at 3:27pm:

Another waste of time with fantasy & hypotheticals.

The premise I posed wasn't about you.

It was about your average day working Joe ----
takes the car to work during the day

how does he use solar to charge his car at night - dickhead. Roll Eyes

You mean to say that you won't entertain any attempt at me answering a hypothetical scenario? Myself, nor any of my family members have an electric vehicle. I cannot tell you an answer as I have not even been inside an electric vehicle.

The average day working Joe might only charge his car every now and then. And, despite your claims, not every person works during the day and every day. Perhaps they keep the car on a charge during the weekend or their days off. And there is nothing wrong with the idea that battery storage could be used for solar panels to allow for that stored energy to be transferred into charging a vehicle at night. Again, I would not know because my electricity usage is from the grid, not solar panels.

Seems like you are the dickhead, with you constant chip on your shoulder attitude. Get your anger management issues sorted out.

You're a complete imbecile.

You don't need to own an EV to answer the question -

it is a hypothetical question Roll Eyes

if someone owns an EV & goes to work in it during the day

how do they charge it at night with solar?

ahhhhh so now you add the battery storage - which is another considerable oncost that you couldn't afford. Roll Eyes

I guess you are talking about those people that work 12 hours a day 7 days a week. They probably have to work from sun up to sundown and don't charge their expensive EVs from their expensive rooftop solar panels.

I don't know if you noticed, but another user said that EVs don't need to be charged every day. If memory serves me correctly, the member said that he only charges his vehicle once every 3 days (if that). So, why would you need to be charging your EV every time you are home? You can just charge your EV on your day off. Unlike you back in your working days, 95% of all workers work less than 50 hours a week.

The only thing you're right about is that I don't have an EV, and probably won't get one (unless there is no choice but to use them). But, even if I have to work 60 hours a week (to make up for all the free time I had in my 30s), I will still have a day or two off work to charge this yet-to-be-bought electric vehicle.

There was also a comment that electric vehicle costs about one-twentieth the cost of a petrol vehicle. If you cannot afford an extra $40 to your power bill, but $300 less to your fuel bill, you have your priorities mixed up.

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