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Sir Eoin O Fada
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Re: 12:00 pm or Noon?
Reply #30 - Jul 11th, 2026 at 3:14pm
 
Bobby,
What do you find difficult in the concept that 12:00pm means 12 hours post meridiem or 12 hours after the noon.

I am fully aware that people accept things that are wrong for the sake of convenience or because they don’t think.
The fact that 12:00pm is commonly accepted as noon doesn’t alter the fact that pm means post meridiem and any time defined by it comes after noon.
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Reply #31 - Jul 11th, 2026 at 3:17pm
 
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jul 11th, 2026 at 3:14pm:
Bobby,
What do you find difficult in the concept that 12:00pm means 12 hours post meridiem or 12 hours after the noon.

I am fully aware that people accept things that are wrong for the sake of convenience or because they don’t think.
The fact that 12:00pm is commonly accepted as noon doesn’t alter the fact that pm means post meridiem and any time defined by it comes after noon.



Read it again:



Post meridian or PM is all about solar noon:



Solar noon is the exact moment the Sun reaches its highest point in the sky for a specific location,
occurring midway between sunrise and sunset.
At this instant, the Sun crosses your local north-south meridian, and any shadows cast point directly due north or due south.
Because of the Earth's tilted axis and elliptical orbit, clock noon (12:00 PM) rarely aligns perfectly with solar noon.

Depending on the time of year and your specific longitude, solar noon can occur before or after clock noon by up to 15–30 minutes.Tracking the Sun in VictoriaFor residents in Victoria, Australia, the exact time of solar noon depends on the specific date and whether Daylight Saving Time is active.

During the winter months (Standard Time), solar noon typically occurs close to 12:30 PM to 12:45 PM depending on where you are in the state. During the summer, Daylight Saving Time shifts clocks forward, pushing solar noon closer to 1:30 PM to 1:45 PM.
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Re: 12:00 pm or Noon?
Reply #32 - Jul 11th, 2026 at 3:20pm
 

They're just trolling you, Bobby.

Nobody actually believes that 12pm is midnight.

Restaurants all over the world open for lunch at midnight?
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Re: 12:00 pm or Noon?
Reply #33 - Jul 11th, 2026 at 3:20pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 11th, 2026 at 1:55pm:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jul 11th, 2026 at 1:41pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 11th, 2026 at 12:46pm:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jul 11th, 2026 at 12:45pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 11th, 2026 at 12:36pm:
"Meridiem" is a Latin word meaning "midday" or "noon".

It forms the basis of the time abbreviations used in the 12-hour clock:

A.M. (ante meridiem, meaning "before noon") and P.M. (post meridiem, meaning "after noon").

You’re getting there, obviously you realise 12:00pm is 12 hours after noon, Congratulations.



Your case is hopeless - you can't be taught anything.  Roll Eyes


Well, tell us all that ‘12:00pm’ doesn’t mean 12 hours post meridiem.




Sir Eoin,
is there something we need to know about?   -

is there anything you should be telling us?



Well, you obviously need to know about logic.
Now can you tell us how 12 hours after the meridiem is the meridiem?
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Reply #34 - Jul 11th, 2026 at 4:10pm
 
Blooby, time has happened, is happening, and will happen; time could be NOW... Or even NOW... But not yesterday... That is past... NOW..GODDAMMIT

What is written NOW...  NOW has past... So the time has gone...where did it go, Blooby to the great post meridiem in the goddamn sky?

Moreover, what is a "jiffy" in time Blooby when someone says to you "I'll be back in a Jiffy"?

Now let's get goddamn serious here, Blooby...What is "Hammer Time?"



Who was Christian Huygens, Blooby?


Try reading a goddamn book Cool
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Reply #35 - Jul 11th, 2026 at 4:12pm
 

Dear Marla,

were you cheated and mistreated?    Undecided



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Reply #36 - Jul 11th, 2026 at 4:14pm
 
Please answer the "goddamn" questionS, Blooby.
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Re: 12:00 pm or Noon?
Reply #37 - Jul 11th, 2026 at 4:32pm
 
Marla wrote on Jul 11th, 2026 at 4:14pm:
Please answer the "goddamn" questionS, Blooby.



First of all my name is sir Bobby.

Second - everyone knows who Christian Huygens was.

Third - you never answer my questions.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #38 - Jul 11th, 2026 at 4:34pm
 
No Blooby, not everyone.


Not you.
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Re: 12:00 pm or Noon?
Reply #39 - Jul 11th, 2026 at 4:45pm
 
Marla wrote on Jul 11th, 2026 at 4:34pm:
No Blooby, not everyone.


Not you.


He was an astronomer amongst many other things:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christiaan_Huygens

Christiaan Huygens,[a] Lord of Zeelhem (14 April 1629 – 8 July 1695) was a Dutch mathematician, physicist, engineer, astronomer, and inventor who is regarded as a key figure in the Scientific Revolution.[4][5] In physics, Huygens made seminal contributions to optics and mechanics, while as an astronomer he studied the rings of Saturn and discovered its largest moon, Titan. As an engineer and inventor, he improved the design of telescopes and invented the pendulum clock, the most accurate timekeeper for almost 300 years. A talented mathematician and physicist, Huygens authored the first modern treatise where a physical problem was idealized using mathematical parameters, while his work on light contains the first mathematical and mechanistic explanation of an unobservable physical phenomenon.
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Re: 12:00 pm or Noon?
Reply #40 - Jul 11th, 2026 at 4:53pm
 
24-hour clock is less ambiguous.

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Re: 12:00 pm or Noon?
Reply #41 - Jul 11th, 2026 at 5:02pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11th, 2026 at 2:55pm:
lee wrote on Jul 11th, 2026 at 2:47pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11th, 2026 at 1:00pm:
By the time you have seen a clock showing 12:00 at midday it is already post meridiem, and similarly at midnight it is already ante meridiem.


Clocks are really difficult for you.

Midday, rightfully is 12.00am.



Lol    Grin



"post meridiem /mə-rĭd′ē-əm/
adverb

    After noon, in the afternoon. Between noon and midnight. "

Noon is 12AM. Unless of cousre you mean noon is midnight. Roll Eyes
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Re: 12:00 pm or Noon?
Reply #42 - Jul 11th, 2026 at 5:09pm
 
lee wrote on Jul 11th, 2026 at 5:02pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11th, 2026 at 2:55pm:
lee wrote on Jul 11th, 2026 at 2:47pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11th, 2026 at 1:00pm:
By the time you have seen a clock showing 12:00 at midday it is already post meridiem, and similarly at midnight it is already ante meridiem.


Clocks are really difficult for you.

Midday, rightfully is 12.00am.



Lol    Grin



"post meridiem /mə-rĭd′ē-əm/
adverb

    After noon, in the afternoon. Between noon and midnight. "

Noon is 12AM. Unless of cousre you mean noon is midnight. Roll Eyes




No it's not -

12pm is noon by definition.
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Re: 12:00 pm or Noon?
Reply #43 - Jul 11th, 2026 at 5:14pm
 
lee wrote on Jul 11th, 2026 at 5:02pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11th, 2026 at 2:55pm:
lee wrote on Jul 11th, 2026 at 2:47pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11th, 2026 at 1:00pm:
By the time you have seen a clock showing 12:00 at midday it is already post meridiem, and similarly at midnight it is already ante meridiem.


Clocks are really difficult for you.

Midday, rightfully is 12.00am.



Lol    Grin



"post meridiem /mə-rĭd′ē-əm/
adverb

    After noon, in the afternoon. Between noon and midnight. "

Noon is 12AM. Unless of cousre you mean noon is midnight. Roll Eyes

Noon is not 12:00am, am is ante meridiem, i.e. 12:00 am is 12 hours before noon therefore it is midnight.
Something cannot be before itself.
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Re: 12:00 pm or Noon?
Reply #44 - Jul 11th, 2026 at 5:44pm
 
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jul 11th, 2026 at 5:14pm:
i.e. 12:00 am is 12 hours before noon therefore it is midnight.



No it is a mere convention, a workaround, a human abstract. The arabic numbers go from 00.00.01 - 12, or a digital clock 0 - 23.59.59. What you are suggesting is 12 comes before 0.  Wink
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