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Jun 25th, 2026 at 10:50am
 
Not quite yet. See bottom image for trend since 1965. The more recent trend and predictions, influenced by the Iran war:

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The big question for the short term is, what will electric cars do to the market? First off, are they actually cheaper?

https://www.comparethemarket.com.au/car-insurance/features/electric-vs-petrol-value/

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The data revealed that despite there being an almost $30,000 difference in purchase price between the electric and petrol models, the electric counterpart will work out to be cheaper to own and operate in the long run. The catch? You would need to own the car for 16 years before those cost benefits became clear.


That was from 2021, so already outdated. You can now get an EV for $25k. So, they are getting close in terms of upfront cost, and already well cheaper over the long run. The upfront cost is trending down. Plus, the cost of charging is trending down, with renewable energy pushing the price of electricity down. With rooftop solar you can charge them for free at home. Plus, most Australians are about to start getting 3 hours of free electricity a day.

5 years ago, EVs made up 9% of global car sales. Now it is more than 25%. So the end is nigh for petrol cars.

What difference will that make to peak oil? Cars are not the only consumer of oil. The transport sector as a whole makes up 64% of current oil consumption, with road making up 45 to 50%, aviation 7 to 8% and marine and rail 6 to 7%. Aviation and marine are not switching to electric any time soon, but that still leaves almost half the oil market in road transport.

What about other uses? Petrochemicals uses 15 to 18% for making fertiliser, plastic etc. And other manufacturing, including heating, uses 7 to 8%. About 5% goes to a combination of residential and commercial heating, cooking and farm machinery and 4% to electricity generation.

There are alternative energy options for all those other uses, but it is difficult to predict when they will be commercially viable.

What about pricing signals? With the adoption of EVs, oil should get cheaper, so there will be less incentive to use alternatives in other industries. To some extent their use of oil may actually go up to take advantage of all that production with no-where to go. But it won't take long for existing production infrastructure to age out, and the price will have to keep going up to justify more investment in oil production. It will probably have to go up considerably, as it would take a brave investor to put money into oil production assets that might take years to build and decades to pay off.

A look at coal may shed some light on this dynamic.

It looks like Australia is not going to build any more coal fired power stations. For the moment, this seems to be increasing the value of existing power plants. So there is a lot of money to be made in keeping the existing infrastructure running, and a few people have made a fortune buying up old power stations and coal mines at bargain prices because they looked like they had no future, only for them to suddenly become valuable again due to short term increases in demand or issues with other suppliers going offline. But, that could all change suddenly and they might literally be worthless one day.
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Reply #1 - Jun 25th, 2026 at 11:00am
 
And the latest energy news?

They are working on tidal power:




Tidal Power: Unlocking the Greatest Untapped Energy Resource on the Planet | FD Engineering

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Reply #2 - Jun 25th, 2026 at 11:10am
 
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Energy consultant Art Berman argues that the global economy is fundamentally fueled by work derived primarily from oil. He contends that because energy production growth is flattening, the era of endless economic expansion is coming to an end. Berman highlights how modern geopolitical conflicts, specifically involving Iran and the Strait of Hormuz, are actually desperate struggles over dwindling natural resources. He dismisses renewable energy and EVs as insufficient solutions, labeling them as economic losers that fail to reduce actual hydrocarbon consumption. Ultimately, the discussion suggests that as energy becomes more expensive and difficult to extract, the world faces increasing economic fragmentation and a decline in living standards.


https://geopoliticsandempire.com/2026/06/22/berman-iran-oil-energy/
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Reply #3 - Jun 25th, 2026 at 5:28pm
 
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He dismisses renewable energy and EVs as insufficient solutions, labeling them as economic losers that fail to reduce actual hydrocarbon consumption. Ultimately, the discussion suggests that as energy becomes more expensive and difficult to extract, the world faces increasing economic fragmentation and a decline in living standards.


Crap. EVs are already cheaper than petrol cars. And renewable energy has been cheaper than coal for at least a decade. And arguing that they do not actually reduce GHG emissions is pure idiocy. Even if an EV is powered 100% from coal, it still has a lower carbon footprint than a petrol car.

Our standard of living does not depend on fossil fuels. It depends on energy. Even without climate change the fossil fuel industry would be facing redundancy in the near future.
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Reply #4 - Aug 9th, 2026 at 10:07am
 
Self-reported oil reserves by state-owned national oil companies are highly unreliable due to a lack of independent audits and significant political or economic incentives to inflate figures.  Approximately 90% of global oil reserves are held by secretive state enterprises that often report data without external verification, leading to substantial discrepancies between official claims and independent estimates.

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As of August 5, 2026, the United States Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR) holds 304.8 million barrels of crude oil, representing just 42.7% of its 714 million barrel capacity.  This is the lowest level since 1983, driven by a coordinated 172 million barrel emergency release ordered by President Donald Trump in March 2026 to counter supply disruptions from the war with Iran and the closure of the Strait of Hormuz.

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Rapid Expansion and Storage. Beijing accelerated stockpiling in 2025 by adding an average of 1.1 million barrels per day, driven by low global prices and energy security mandates following Russia's invasion of Ukraine.  The country is constructing 11 new reserve sites (including underground caverns) to reach a target of 2 billion barrels, equivalent to roughly six months of net imports.




Demand is set to jump.
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Reply #5 - Aug 10th, 2026 at 11:23am
 
"Oil reserves" do not tell you how much oil is in the ground. They merely tell you about the economics of oil exploration - how much it costs, vs the perceived need for finding new reserves. That's why "oil reserves" expressed in number of years of supply, remains fairly steady, despite those known reserves being repeatedly used up and oil consumption increasing.
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Reply #6 - Aug 10th, 2026 at 1:34pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 25th, 2026 at 5:28pm:
Even if an EV is powered 100% from coal, it still has a lower carbon footprint than a petrol car.




How do you figure that?


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Reply #7 - Aug 11th, 2026 at 8:20am
 
Frank wrote on Aug 10th, 2026 at 1:34pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 25th, 2026 at 5:28pm:
Even if an EV is powered 100% from coal, it still has a lower carbon footprint than a petrol car.




How do you figure that?




About 5 seconds on google.
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Reply #8 - Aug 11th, 2026 at 4:10pm
 
Doesn't increase in global population cause increase in consumption? Undecided
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