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Reply #60 - Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 4:32pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 18^th, 2026 at 1:37pm:

lee wrote on Jun 18^th, 2026 at 1:24pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 18^th, 2026 at 12:11pm:

if CO2 emissioms is a thing, and given earth has only one atmosphere.....

Ah yes. The old "IF" statements. Grin

The movement to renewables is unstoppable; clean, non-polluted air, if not CO2 emissions, demands it.

CO2 is not a pollutant. It is invisible, odourless plant food.
We pump it into greenhouses, you, know, to stimulate the tulips and toes of the toma-toes.

Anyway, the cost and effeciveness of renewables is the issue. The urgency that is used to justify the exorbitant amounts spent on renewables is a manufactured panic, started by Al Gore and his cohort. They have been proven wrong at every turn but the Chris Bowels of this world carry on as if the Gore-invented panic was still justified. It ain' and hasn't been for about 20 years.

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Reply #61 - Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 4:43pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 4:29pm:

The issue is taxes on investments versus taxes on wages, the system favours the former.

So If Marie and her husband, self-funded retirees, have investments and get the 30% for the taxes paid under the current system there is no tax to be paid as they are under the assets limit. Once these new changes go through, if her husband dies, as a single and is over the assets limit, and must pay tax. That would mean she has to pay 30% tax on her shares, even tough the underlying value of the shares hasn't changed. If the dividend is $15k, she now must pay $5k in tax, something that would normally only be payable by someone in a higher tax bracket.

How does that favour her?

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Reply #62 - Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 5:00pm

Frank wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 10:00am:

(cont).
Let me explain.

It started when normal people were expected to believe that men could be women; when our sex discrimination laws failed to protect women and girls, and we were told disagreeing was discrimination.

Culture war nonsense, a diversion from Neoliberal economic dysfunction.

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When Australians battling the rising cost of living and the drop in real wages see Labor ministers such as Anika Wells caught not once but four times breaching parliamentary travel expenses rules and still keeping her job. Despite being ordered to pay back more than $10,000. Every Australian knows that for us normal folk in the real world, that would mean getting fired and facing charges.

Yes, but the government's 'welfare' budget is more than $300 billion annually...and your corresspondent is a penny-pinching liar:

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Federal Minister for Communications and Sports Anika Wells repaid $10,116 to taxpayers—which included a 25 per cent penalty loading—after an independent audit by the Independent Parliamentary Expenses Authority found four of her family travel claims breached expenses rules

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It started when the federal Veterans Affairs Minister cut funding for the family of a Victoria Cross recipient in the same year he flew his wife business class to attend the races in Sydney on the taxpayers’ dime.

More penny-pinching outrage drivel; and Coalition MPs are no better.

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Albanese calls misleading Australians “changing my position”. Prime Minister, nobody believes you.

The federal budget was the tipping point, in my view. All of the sneering smallness of this government, all of its double standards, largesse and overspending, all of it is wrapped up and captured by this socialist wrecking ball of a policy set.

"Overspending" on what? Medicare? Age care? Infrastructure?

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This revolution started years ago, quietly and slowly. Now? It sounds like thunder and it’s not stopping. Pauline Hanson’s One Nation is the lightning rod. The vehicle, if you like. Labor doesn’t have a clue how to respond. Why would it? That would require truth, courage, consistency and trust.

The problem is Labor has fallen for Neoliberal orthodoxy, and ON won't be able to explain how it will fund pensioners, medicare, the aged, public education, and full employment in a c-o-l crisis.

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What’s more, this is a government that’s spooked. Why else would every minister and backbencher be energetically and publicly demonising the One Nation leader? It’s not the strategy you think it is. You may as well be running a membership campaign for her.

Yes -- like I said, Labor is committed to Neoliberalism - and is tying itself in knots. But ON will prove it has no policies to raise living standards for all, apart from reducing immigration.

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The Prime Minister’s legendary glass jaw has never been so fragile. Australia’s popular and sensible centrist Labor premiers have criticised his budget to a fault and have warned him of the consequences, messages delivered with varying degrees of subtlety. Albanese is fast becoming a pariah with all but the members of his own far-left faction.

No, neoliberal Albo is a pariah WITH his far left faction...trust the Oz to get it back to front...

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Reply #63 - Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 5:10pm

Speaking of taxes:

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With Starmer a dead man walking, allies of Burnham say it's time to break manifesto promises

Andy Burnham is being urged to tear up Labour's tax pledges, to fund his costly spending plans.

The challenger to Sir Keir Starmer's leadership made a series of expensive commitments during his by-election campaign – but is yet to set out how he will fund them.

While fighting for the Makerfield seat, Mr Burnham said he would honour Labour's manifesto tax pledges, which include not raising income tax, National Insurance or VAT

But allies of the new MP are now pushing him to drop the pledge or risk being 'hamstrung' in office.

The Prime Minister's position was hanging by a thread last night and an announcement that Sir Keir will step down to make way for Mr Burnham could come as soon as today.

Labour ministers and MPs on the Left of the party have rallied around Mr Burnham – including his right-hand woman Louise Haigh, Anneliese Midgley, who helped to run his campaign, and Energy Secretary Ed Miliband.

One pro-Burnham minister told the Daily Mail: 'That manifesto was written at a certain point in time but so much has changed. I think Andy has an opportunity to say he's a new PM and in order to bring about real change, it is going to require some big changes.

'That includes on tax, where he is going to need to raise revenues to deal with the huge pressures in defence, in the NHS, in getting our high streets where they need to be... I think if we stick to those tax pledges he is going to be hamstrung from the start and people could become disillusioned very quickly.'

Hmm...advice to raise taxes....that's a novelty for a neoliberal-captured labour party....

It seems not only the far right are on the rise; the far left is making an appearance, eg, in NY (Mamdani), and now Burnham, possibly the UK's new PM (not Farage...).

But the same question applies as for the far right: how are they going to fund the promises which got them elected?

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Reply #64 - Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 5:15pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 5:10pm:

Hmm...advice to raise taxes....that's a novelty for a neoliberal-captured labour party.

yep. on top of the subsidies for renewables which go to the big end of town, but tell anybody that. You know the subsidies that increase the price of electricity. The rich don't suffer, they can soak it up. Roll Eyes

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Reply #65 - Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 5:36pm

lee wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 5:15pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 5:10pm:

Hmm...advice to raise taxes....that's a novelty for a neoliberal-captured labour party.

yep. on top of the subsidies for renewables which go to the big end of town, but tell anybody that. You know the subsidies that increase the price of electricity. The rich don't suffer, they can soak it up. Roll Eyes

And your solution to fund an economy which works for all - as eg, Mamdani, Burnham, Farage and Pauline are promising, to get elected?

Note: reverting to burning coal by price gouging fossil companies won't fix the current political malaise around the globe.

I have two different policies, to fund the governance which dislllusioned electorates around the globe want:

1. Raise taxes on the wealthy, as necessary to create satisfaction re governance amongst a significant majority of the electorate,

or

2. Authorize governments to utilize their currency-issuing capacity to create money to fund essential servces, while avoiding inflation (via price controls, and planning re resource utilization in the public and private sectors.

You?

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Reply #66 - Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 5:47pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 5:36pm:

1. Raise taxes on the wealthy, as necessary to create satisfaction re governance amongst a significant majority of the electorate,

or

2. Authorize governments to utilize their currency-issuing capacity to create money to fund essential servces, while avoiding inflation (via price controls, and planning re resource utilization in the public and private sectors.

You don't fix politics by calling for renewables to become a de facto energy standard. Wink

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Reply #67 - Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 6:11pm

lee wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 5:47pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 5:36pm:

1. Raise taxes on the wealthy, as necessary to create satisfaction re governance amongst a significant majority of the electorate,

or

2. Authorize governments to utilize their currency-issuing capacity to create money to fund essential servces, while avoiding inflation (via price controls, and planning re resource utilization in the public and private sectors.

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You don't fix politics by calling for renewables to become a de facto energy standard. Wink

1. Did you miss my edit:

"Note: reverting to burning coal by price-gouging filthy-fossil companies won't fix the current political malaise around the globe.

2. Fossil electricity was largely funded via the public sector, in the pre-neoliberal, Keynesian deficit-spending era (1946 - 1970s), hence the cheap energy, that is - until the Arab oil embargo which caused 'stagflation' and the demise of Keynesian deficit spending.

Educate yourself.

3. Do you imagine you addressed my post in any way - namely, which government policies will create satisfaction among a sizable majority, which is the topic of this thread - 'Pauline, please explain!'.

You too mentally incompetant to present some policies which will overcome the current global political malaise, caused by conflicting ideology re 'tax or not to tax'....?

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Reply #69 - Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 6:51pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 6:11pm:

2. Fossil electricity was largely funded via the public sector, in the pre-neoliberal, Keynesian deficit-spending era (1946 - 1970s), hence the cheap energy, that is - until the Arab oil embargo which caused 'stagflation' and the demise of Keynesian deficit spending.

Rubbish. In Australia it was mainly coal, either black or lignite, nothing to do with oil.

How about you educate yourself. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 6:11pm:

You too mentally incompetant to present some policies which will overcome the current global political malaise, caused by conflicting ideology re 'tax or not to tax'....?

And your only solutions are to tax or print money - each with their own limitations. Roll Eyes

What happens when you run out of other people's money? You think politicians will find something else?

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Reply #70 - Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 8:01pm

Frank wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 6:14pm:

The Great Parrot understands nothing excep that government shpuld just print money to pay for everything.

Everything else is lizzard-brained neocon wizardry.

'Socialist' neocon wizardry - please explain...? Unless you mean neoliberalism is "lizzard brained" - which it is.

As for "printing money", I already said an alternative policy is to tax the rich so government can deliver the essentials for all without taxing average wage earners.

In any case, the same question to you as to the mentally incompetent lee (I see he is still banging on about renewables - as if reversion to private fossil exploitation will solve the current global political malaise):

What government policies will create satisfaction among a sizable majority, which is the topic of this thread - 'Pauline, please explain!'.

You also too mentally incompetent to state some policies which will overcome the current global political malaise, caused by conflicting ideology re 'tax or not to tax'....?

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Reply #71 - Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 8:25pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 8:01pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 6:14pm:

The Great Parrot understands nothing excep that government shpuld just print money to pay for everything.

Everything else is lizzard-brained neocon wizardry.

'Socialist' neocon wizardry - please explain...? Unless you mean neoliberalism is "lizzard brained" - which it is.

As for "printing money", I already said an alternative policy is to tax the rich so government can deliver the essentials for all without taxing average wage earners.

In any case, the same question to you as to the mentally incompetent lee (I see he is still banging on about renewables - as if reversion to private fossil exploitation will solve the current global political malaise):

What government policies will create satisfaction among a sizable majority, which is the topic of this thread - 'Pauline, please explain!'.

You also too mentally incompetent to state some policies which will overcome the current global political malaise, caused by conflicting ideology re 'tax or not to tax'....?

Today's word (like everyday's word) is

MONOMANIAC.

It takes maniacs like you, pal, to distil the world into a single mania.

Because you are hopelessly simple minded, you need the world to make sense through a single lense, the only lense - yours.

You are an idiot. Militantly, monomaniacally so.

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Reply #72 - Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 8:35pm

lee wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 6:51pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 6:11pm:

2. Fossil electricity was largely funded via the public sector, in the pre-neoliberal, Keynesian deficit-spending era (1946 - 1970s), hence the cheap energy, that is - until the Arab oil embargo which caused 'stagflation' and the demise of Keynesian deficit spending.

Rubbish. In Australia it was mainly coal, either black or lignite, nothing to do with oil.

Crippled brain lee: fossil energy includes coal.
I mentioned the Arab oil embargo as the reason for the triumph of neoliberalism over Keynesianism, in the 70s.

Fun fact: Liberal SA premier Sir Thomas Playford nationalized the electriciry supply based on cleap brown coal at Leigh Creek.

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The Adelaide Electric Supply Company was nationalised in September 1946.Premier Tom Playford initiated the takeover to form the Electricity Trust of South Australia (ETSA). This Labor PM Ben Chifley helped fund, allowing the state to use local Leigh Creek coal and expand power production.

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And your only solutions are to tax or print money - each with their own limitations. Roll Eyes

You still haven't presented YOUR policies to achieve somewhat lasting majority support for an elected government, necessary to overcome the current global political malaise.

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What happens when you run out of other people's money? You think politicians will find something else?

Eventually politicians will wake up to the fact they either have to tax the rich, or create public money (not 'taxpayer' money) while avoiding inflation.

Unless you can tell us how politicians can fund essential services the public expect from their government.

oh - I forgot, you are too mentally incompetent to even begin to suggest some policies which don't involve taxing or printing money, and yet will satisfy Pauline's "battlers".

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Reply #74 - Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 8:51pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 8:39pm:

TGD,
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Eventually politicians will wake up to the fact they either have to tax the rich,
or create public money (not 'taxpayer' money) while avoiding inflation.

It's people on average money that are paying the lion's share of tax -

many large companies pay zero tax.

Correct, hence 'tax the rich' policies including taxing multi-national gas companies, promoted by the Greens and the Australia Institute.

lee says taxes are "other people's money".

Can you assist Frank and lee with an alternative (non-tax) policy... and let Pauline know as well, so she can assist Oz "battlers" she claims to represent, without raising taxes on said battlers?

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