lee wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2026 at 1:00pm:


Until everyone can support themselves  - like you and me,  who have been employed for most of our working lives.

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Free for the recipients of the rescue package, but not for the government; how many times do I have to tell you the rescue package should also have been free for the currency-issuing government, at a time when the economy was restricted to delivery of the essentials to locked-down 'non-essential' workers who could no longer earn an income due to the lockdowns.

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eg, Burnham is being forced to face up to the real issue: where is the money coming from?"

(Daily Mail)

"Asked how he would tackle welfare spending, he said: ‘I'm not going to go with the crude cuts to benefit levels that then just put people who are struggling in even worse poverty, and that often creates the backlash, and understandably so.’

Instead, he said he would focus on reforming the education system, offering work placements to young people and building council homes to reduce the number of ‘neets’ – young people not in education, employment or training.

Which will require increasing government spending; he has 2 options: increase taxes or authorize the treasury to fund the above programs.

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Houses are already unaffordable and builders are going broke - unnecessarily when government could employ tradesmen for free, or tax the public to pay for the tradesmen and materials.... your choice (see the Burnham comment above).


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1. Taxation which enables wealthy people to escape paying taxes is regressive...google Gabriel Zucman for details of the quantum of the problem ( = many $billions of lost  taxes), and the solutions.


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Those who are not driven by their (unconscious) reptilians brains (like you), and who recognize Oz could eliminate poverty in a decade ie house clothe feed and employ everyone, because the necessary resources are avaiialble.   

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Your error: you still conflate money with resources.

So, Snowy 2 will take longer to build than originally planned?
Doesn't matter, the green transition will take time, the essentials are the resources needed to complete the project.

Re calculating the 'cost' of, say, a million public housing units:

(google)

"The average cost to build a new house in Australia sits at $443,422 to $492,410 (excluding land, site preparation, and landscaping). Out of this total construction budget, materials make up roughly 40% to 50% ($177,000 – $246,000), while labour accounts for approximately 35% to 40% ($155,000 – $197,000). The remaining 10% to 20% of the budget covers builder margins, council permits, and compliance

So... c. $200k worth of materials, times a million: c. $200 billiion, to be spent over - say - 10 years.

Note: Over the last decade, Australia (Oz) has built approximately 1.8 million new homes.

That means Oz has [b]c. double the resources[/b] needed to build a million public housing units in a decade.

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We are now drilling down into the real issues  (ie, money versus resources), but your unconscious reptiiian brain continues to insist on seeing scarcity when and where  there is none.

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The Neanderthal creed.

Whereas Musk recently mused (re the coming AI revolution):  "work will be optional and money irrelevant...."; contrasting your unconscious (instinct-driven) reptilian brain with his visionary, conscious cortex brain.   

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Not side-stepping the question: she's seeking the votes of the battlers who have been abandoned by mainstream politicians. She knows she's in with a chance, given widespread disatisfaction with mainstream politicians.

 

I don’t believe Pauline or her candidates or the vast majority of their supporters are “racist”.

Having a different opinion about people of different races and backgrounds and religion isn’t “ racism “.

We are all individuals who have our views in life shaped by our experiences in life.

Some good and bad and the majority of life is just meh.

In this country we are lucky that we are entitled to “ fair “ speech.

Free has long since gone.

Simply saying One Nation is for racism is about as clever as saying that all politicians are narcissistic.

You can’t label people just because it suits yourself.

I’m not a fan of One Nation but I understand why people are turning to it and support their right to vote however they like.

Rather than dismiss their opinions I engage and listen to why they have chosen to support a hard right wing party and ideology.

Without exception so far it’s always been about the state the country is in and disgust and disdain for our current two political parties.

Laws regarding hate speech are quite strict in Australia.

To date Pauline Hanson hasn’t been charged with breaking any of them so clearly not a racist in public.

She is entitled to “ fair “ speech regardless if you like what she’s saying or not.

If you don’t like it, do what I do, don’t vote for her.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2026 at 5:53pm:


Even those that don't want to work? And don't tell us no-one is like that.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2026 at 5:53pm:


And because you don't need taxpayers it is free for them as well.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2026 at 5:53pm:


And that doesn't even go close to answering the question. But that doesn't agree with your mantra.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2026 at 5:53pm:


Nothing to do with a fair wage or sit down money.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2026 at 5:53pm:


Employ tradesmen for free? That is so stupid, even from you. If the tradesmen are free, how do they live, they have expenses. Or tax the public more?

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2026 at 5:53pm:


Nope.  AI: "Examples include sales taxes, excise taxes on items like tobacco or alcohol, and user fees such as tolls or parking charges." and fuel taxes of course.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2026 at 5:53pm:


So you say. But you admit you don't have the figures. And there you go with the epithets again, another losing argument for you.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2026 at 5:53pm:


Resources do have a monetary value, if they didn't the government couldn't issue money.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2026 at 5:53pm:


So how many houses would 12 billion build?

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2026 at 5:53pm:


So you are not going to pay the builders, tradesmen etc. well done you.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2026 at 5:53pm:


Trades people are a resource.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2026 at 5:53pm:


Back to the epithets again. Money is a resource.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2026 at 5:53pm:


Ah so no-one wil have to work, we will just have sit down money, sit in a circle and chant "kumbayah".

And Musk knows what about AI? Or does he employ people who know about AI, which while it may be artificial is far from intelligent.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2026 at 5:53pm:


And still sidestepping the question. Where did she say the majorty of voters were battlers?

Daves2017 wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2026 at 11:16pm:



Do you think demanding a monoculture from a position of potential power is potentially racist?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2026 at 8:03am:

And what IS that definition?
Yours. You can make up your own definition coz you are special.
Detail? Er... Pauline is wacist and.... that's it!!  Yay!
Special Ed creepy liar has reasoned under his own ridiculously dim, flickering lights!  No ifs and no buts, don't you know. Oh, yes

Frank wrote on Jul 4^th, 2026 at 8:58am:



It's really very simple, fruitbat. You're a worthless racist if you judge other people by the colour of their skin or their lineage.

It's not complicated.

It's kinda expected in 2026 that we regard people as individuals, accepting that they are every bit as human as we are and with whom we have far more in common that not.

Simply put, racists divide while those alternately inclined seek to find common ground. It is through he latter that we have become the wonderful multicultural nation we are, and one which the vast majority enjoy.

You are determined to miserable though. It wouldn't be a problem if you'd stop copy and pasting right wing propagandist at us all day, every day. It's all you do, inter-spaced with sneering commas.

Year after year. Amazing.

mothra wrote on Jul 4^th, 2026 at 7:55am:


The only ones "demanding" anything are bedwetters like you.