Strange how a former fish and chip shop owner is making more sense

than all our cultural Marxist politicians.   

Frank wrote on Jun 27^th, 2026 at 7:47am:



Good - so we've cleared that up now?

But Pauline didn't like Asian immigration in the 90s; some suspicion of her definition of 'monculturalism' remains....

lee wrote on Jun 27^th, 2026 at 2:51pm:


To keep them onside, dummy, now that the battlers comprise a majority of the population who consider the economy as managed by mainstream economists and politicians  is no longer working for them. 

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1. We can start by delivering  affordable housing for all, and eliminating the c-o-l crisis.

Requiring sufficient  public housing, to house low income groups.

2. And we can also create above-poverty employment for all, because there is no shortages of resources in Oz which would prevent housing and employing  everyone in Oz.      

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But Pauline will to have to deliver for the battlers if she wants to avoid the fate of currently despised/non-performing mainstream Lib-Lab politicians.

Aiming for something which may or maynot be there, and won't lower costs for  many years even if the reserves are exploitable at a profit sufficiently attractive for private filthy fossil companies, won't save Pauline past the next election cycle, while the housing and  c-o-l pressures persist for a majority of electors. 


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1. Energy security is important.

2. Chinese imports, until we rebuild our own refining and manufacturing capacity, are part of the solution.

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1. The housing-affordability crisis, due to our own stupidity (or rather, Howard's stupidity).

2.  The c-o-l crisis caused by dysfunctional Neoclassical economics ('comparitive advantage' free trade dogma,  a global problem.

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100 square miles of PVs and wind turbines in Oz deserts, backed by batteries and delivered by  HVDC transmission to where the energy is needed will prove more secure and cheaper, as Oz's  filthy fossil reserves become uneconomic to exploit.   

"High-Voltage Direct Current (HVDC) transmission is a highly efficient method of moving massive amounts of bulk electricity over long distances or via underwater cables."


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Government has access to all the data re resources and labour which are available for exploitation. The age of AI now enables accurate measurement of the nation's available resources, by combining taxation, census and company data etc.    

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ie, in  a cooperative world overseen by reformed IMF and World Bank, no-one need be condemned to poverty.   

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OK, just stick to Oz, which DOES have sufficient resources  to house, clothe, feed AND employ everyone.

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Of course; not all of them are blinded by the unreality of Neoclassical economics, like you. 

I say again, there is no need for  poverty in Oz....logic, given there are sufficient resources in Oz. 

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Logic isn't belief; logic enables access to truth whether by empirical evidence or inductive thought. 

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The economists who ARE employing logic - not obsolete dogma re 'invisible hand' markets, to describe an economy which works for all (urgently needed to avoid a looming social, economic, and political collapse) - are currently being ignored by most politicians who blindly accept the mainstream dogmas of Neoclassical economists.

These mainstream  politicians deserve their fate - ie they are now being deserted by the  electorate who are resorting to 'grasping at straws'  offered by the Populist RW.

In a money economy, governments need money.

Pauline will have to explain how she intends to fund a ON government, while keeping the battlers on-side.      

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 6:50pm:


How did you determine they were the majority of the population? 

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 6:50pm:



1. You really don't get it. There is no way in the world that housing will become affordable in the inner city, which is where the majority want to live.

2. You still haven't shown the NET resources available in Australia.

I see in moss Vale in NSW,they are outraged. Apparently they were OK with "small-scale industries like electric cars, photovoltaics..." etc. So how much electricity draw would a small-scale photovoltaic solar panel consume? They don't want coal power, although they are sitting on years of it. How about electric cars? build them? Maintain them? Change out the batteries on them?

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 6:50pm:



Nope. Politicians don't need to do that. Unless you have concrete plans you haven't told us.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 6:50pm:


You will have to show the "battlers" are the majority of the population. Nothing i researched suggested that it is true.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 6:50pm:


very good. Now how do you hope to achieve that?

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 6:50pm:


Ah, so only solar and wind can power our energy security, because there is not enough energy density for the refining OR the manufacturing.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 6:50pm:


So tell us how to make the inner cities cheaper?

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 6:50pm:


Oh so it is a global cost of living crisis. That would also mean Chine has a cost of living crisis.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 6:50pm:


Oh only 100 square miles of combined solar and wind or each? Can you please provide where you got the figures, they sound bogus. BTW - Sun Cable proposed half of that. it was going to provide 4MW, so double would be 8 MW of continuous power. Not even close enough.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 6:50pm:


Yes it is, and then you need inverters, transformers etc to manage the variable supply, so it must be grossly over-rated, to cope. Another expense in the "cheap" energy stakes.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 6:50pm:


So you don't have a clue, but you just KNOW these things.

And it still doesn't include  the non-exploration of fossil fuels.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 6:50pm:


So presumably the Chines are going to be a part of this co-operative world. The same China that bans imports and exports at the drop of hat, when miffed.

cont

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 6:50pm:



You have already admitted that you don't know if Australia has sufficient resources. and that means you don't know the global situation as well.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 6:50pm:


That is blind belief, not proof of anything.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 6:50pm:


On what is the "logic" based?  Inductive thought also is not proof.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 6:50pm:


And again no proof. Just your circular reasoning - "Keynesian economivs ar not working (in your view), therefore the alternative MUST be better, is not logic.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 6:50pm:



One of these days you might actually research your "aussie battlers make a majority of the population" mantr.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 7:08pm:



That is a really moronic come-back even by your standards.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 8:20pm:


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 6:50pm:


So the Government knows because it has all  the data, it means you DON"T.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 8:20pm:


So point me to where it says induction is foolproof.

Ai: "Inductive reasoning is not foolproof; it produces conclusions that are probable but not certain. The conclusions drawn from inductive reasoning can be false even if the premises are true."




thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 8:20pm:


Now all you have to do is show you are using "correct reasoning". Something you have signally failed to do.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 8:20pm:



That is not proof of the alternative theory.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 8:20pm:


You are losing again. It shows.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 8:20pm:


Nothing there says anythin about battlers.

AI : "No, Australian battlers are not the majority of the population. They represent a specific demographic of working-class individuals who face financial hardships, but Australia has a diverse population with varying socioeconomic statuses."



Lst again in your own fantasy.