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Reply #30 - Jun 10^th, 2026 at 4:08pm

freediver wrote on Jun 10^th, 2026 at 4:02pm:

Who is it that keeps whining about "underemployment"? Wouldn't be the unions by any chance?

Can you understand how increased underemployment would lead to more people getting no work at all? Or is that too many logical steps for a union supporter to follow?

That's complete nonsense.

"Increased underemployment does not automatically mean more people will become completely jobless. In fact, it often means the opposite: employers frequently respond to economic tightening by reducing the hours of their current staff (increasing underemployment) to avoid mass layoffs and keep overall unemployment steady."

"When a business faces reduced demand, it generally has two options: lay off workers (increasing unemployment) or reduce the hours of existing employees (increasing underemployment). Underemployment often acts as a shock absorber, protecting the economy from immediate, massive spikes in total joblessness."

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Reply #31 - Jun 10^th, 2026 at 4:13pm

It depends on the cause. If the cause is union action causing cafes to remain shut on the weekend, the increased underemployment that will result will inevitably also cause increased unemployment. It is not employers responding to "economic tightening". The economics is there. The owners want to open up. They have customers wanting to buy from them. They have people willing to work. But the union steps in and shuts it down, on what would otherwise be one of their busiest days. Maybe some cafes even go bankrupt because of it.

Just because you do not care about people losing their jobs is not the same thing as the job losses not being real. The job losses are real. You just don't care about the people it affects.

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Reply #32 - Jun 10^th, 2026 at 4:20pm

freediver wrote on Jun 10^th, 2026 at 4:13pm:

It depends on the cause. If the cause is union action causing cafes to remain shut on the weekend, the increased underemployment that will result will inevitably also cause increased unemployment. It is not employers responding to "economic tightening". The economics is there. The owners want to open up. They have customers wanting to buy from them. They have people willing to work. But the union steps in and shuts it down, on what would otherwise be one of their busiest days. Maybe some cafes even go bankrupt because of it.

Just because you do not care about people losing their jobs is not the same thing as the job losses not being real. The job losses are real. You just don't care about the people it affects.

How does the Union shut it down? Undecided

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Reply #34 - Jun 10^th, 2026 at 5:55pm

freediver wrote on Jun 10^th, 2026 at 3:28pm:

So they aren't unemployed, they just aren't working? Is that what the unions say about all the unemployment they cause?

Who is it that keeps whining about "underemployment"? Wouldn't be the unions by any chance?

Can you understand how increased underemployment would lead to more people getting no work at all? Or is that too many logical steps for a union supporter to follow?

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So they aren't unemployed, they just aren't working?

They are not working on a day that is meant to be a day off. They still work their normal business hours.

I have workd in the hospitalist industy in a place where their was always substantial day long cues on Public holidays. The result is something like $20K above average profit for the day. Yes these businesses can affort to pay their employees the correct rate. The businesses that tend to have problems are the ones that have no customers on a PH, They tend to too stupid to close when there is no eccanomic case for them to be open.

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Carl D Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11059 Rivervale, Perth Gender:	Re: Why's My Bacon And Eggs $30 On A Weekend? Reply #35 - Jun 10^th, 2026 at 6:07pm tallowood wrote on Jun 10^th, 2026 at 4:33pm: When did anyone here have Bacon And Eggs for $30 last time? I can't even remember the last time I had bacon and eggs.
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Reply #36 - Jun 10^th, 2026 at 6:07pm

freediver wrote on Jun 10^th, 2026 at 4:13pm:

It depends on the cause. If the cause is union action causing cafes to remain shut on the weekend, the increased underemployment that will result will inevitably also cause increased unemployment. It is not employers responding to "economic tightening". The economics is there. The owners want to open up. They have customers wanting to buy from them. They have people willing to work. But the union steps in and shuts it down, on what would otherwise be one of their busiest days. Maybe some cafes even go bankrupt because of it.

Just because you do not care about people losing their jobs is not the same thing as the job losses not being real. The job losses are real. You just don't care about the people it affects.

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If the cause is union action causing cafes to remain shut on the weekend

I suspect this never happened. Sounds about on par with the resturant being closed because of a metior strike.

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They have customers wanting to buy from them
They have people willing to work.
the union steps in and shuts it down
on what would otherwise be one of their busiest days

No union has the power to shut a business down - This is BS.

The only reason a business would get into trouble would be with the authorities and only if they are breaking the industrial laws.

On the businesses busiest days they make the most profit and can afford to pay the correct pay rates.

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Leroy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5213 Gender:	Re: Why's My Bacon And Eggs $30 On A Weekend? Reply #37 - Jun 10^th, 2026 at 6:26pm Why not have the government allow tax free wages instead of penalty rates, imagine that. Businesses would boom, employees would be very happy and the economy would surge.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 153535 Gender:	Re: Why's My Bacon And Eggs $30 On A Weekend? Reply #38 - Jun 10^th, 2026 at 6:40pm freediver wrote on Jun 10^th, 2026 at 3:28pm: So they aren't unemployed, they just aren't working? Correct. Not working is the default position on a public holiday. The clue is the word 'holiday'.
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Reply #39 - Jun 10^th, 2026 at 8:44pm

Exactly, the complaint in the article is talking about 8 days a year.

If you don’t believe that you can afford the cost involved don’t open your business.

One of the best seafood restaurants on the north coast of NSW doesn’t open Sunday and it’s not rare for it to close for three or four months during the offseason.

But what would he know about running a successful hospitality business?

His only had this successful restaurant for over twenty years!

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Reply #40 - Jun 10^th, 2026 at 8:51pm

Leroy wrote on Jun 10^th, 2026 at 6:26pm:

Why not have the government allow tax free wages instead of penalty rates, imagine that. Businesses would boom, employees would be very happy and the economy would surge.

The ultimate solution is the removal of payroll tax.

The worst tax and most unjust tax in Australia history.

Taxing someone because they employed someone!

I understand why it was introduced in war time but not it’s just a evil relic that the government relies on to fund their rorts and logistics failures.

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Reply #41 - Jun 11^th, 2026 at 9:13am

Daves2017 wrote on Jun 9^th, 2026 at 7:15am:

I read the article and the comments and the whole story is fake news Ltd rubbish-

“ Wrong…

“When making a baseline of 100 coffees an hour at $7 each, so $700 in revenue, wages would swallow $350 of that, goods would cost $140, GST would be $70 and utilities and rent would take $105. So the total profit made on those coffees would be just $35.”

ALL businesses get a GST credit. They only pay GST on the difference between what GST they PAID vs what they COLLECTED.

The above statement assume they collected 70 and didn’t pay any themselves.

Also, if revenue is 700, GST is roughly 63.64.

It would be 70 if revenue was 770.

Why does this matter, it’s only 7$. Because all the mistakes add up.

If profit was 35, now it’s 42. Oh and with the GST credit, it might be 55 PER HOUR. They trade for 8, PROFIT was over 400. That day.

Their “worst day” and the boss pockets 400 for doing nothing at all and having the day off himself. Crying poor cause someone else is being paid penalty rates.

I get it. There are other costs too. Super, downtime, etc. Can’t imagine 100 coffees per hour is realistic.

My point, don’t fudge figures, it sends the credibility of the whole article into question”.

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Under 18 years old: You only qualify for super if you work more than 30 hours in a single week for that employer.

Most employees are casuals.

30 hrs a week is more than just casual hours.

And how many staff over 18 are these cafes etc. employing?

Not many I'd say.

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Reply #42 - Jun 11^th, 2026 at 9:36am

Daves2017 wrote on Jun 10^th, 2026 at 8:51pm:

Leroy wrote on Jun 10^th, 2026 at 6:26pm:

Why not have the government allow tax free wages instead of penalty rates, imagine that. Businesses would boom, employees would be very happy and the economy would surge.

The ultimate solution is the removal of payroll tax.

The worst tax and most unjust tax in Australia history.

Taxing someone because they employed someone!

I understand why it was introduced in war time but not it’s just a evil relic that the government relies on to fund their rorts and logistics failures.

The problem is that the Govt. wastes the money that they do collect -
we have the highest paid public servants in the world too
and more per capita than any other country -
it's no wonder taxes are so high -
even then they borrow more money on top of it as we slide into further massive debt.
The States too - Daniel Andrews left Victoria bankrupt with over $200 billion in debt.

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Reply #44 - Jun 11^th, 2026 at 10:30am

Daves2017 wrote on Jun 10^th, 2026 at 8:44pm:

Exactly, the complaint in the article is talking about 8 days a year.

If you don’t believe that you can afford the cost involved don’t open your business.

Exactly.

If you can't figure out how to factor in the cost over the full year then you shouldn't be in business.

If people work on a public holiday, they deserve to be paid more.

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