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Reply #15 - Jun 10^th, 2026 at 12:43pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 10^th, 2026 at 12:19pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 10^th, 2026 at 12:14pm:

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Nobody is being made unemployed who wasn't already unemployed in your scenario.

Ah. I see your logic. It's OK for the unions to deny people the right to have a job, so long as they keep up the good work?

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If they sack the worker who wants $70 and then hire someone who'll do it for $30, there is no change to the unemployment numbers.

You are confused Greg. Do you think there might actually be more jobs if the cafes only have to pay staff $30 per hour instead of $70?

No, there won't be more jobs.

Not sure where you're getting that idea from.

It's called economics Greg. Something the unions don't understand. Or pretend not to.

Why wouldn't cafe owners hire more staff on public holidays if they only had to pay $30 per hour? Have you ever had to wait 45 minutes for a burger on a long weekend because they don't have enough staff?

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Reply #16 - Jun 10^th, 2026 at 1:35pm

freediver wrote on Jun 10^th, 2026 at 12:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 10^th, 2026 at 12:19pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 10^th, 2026 at 12:14pm:

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Nobody is being made unemployed who wasn't already unemployed in your scenario.

Ah. I see your logic. It's OK for the unions to deny people the right to have a job, so long as they keep up the good work?

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If they sack the worker who wants $70 and then hire someone who'll do it for $30, there is no change to the unemployment numbers.

You are confused Greg. Do you think there might actually be more jobs if the cafes only have to pay staff $30 per hour instead of $70?

No, there won't be more jobs.

Not sure where you're getting that idea from.

It's called economics Greg. Something the unions don't understand. Or pretend not to.

Why wouldn't cafe owners hire more staff on public holidays if they only had to pay $30 per hour? Have you ever had to wait 45 minutes for a burger on a long weekend because they don't have enough staff?

I'm not sure where you live, but it's not in the real world.

People have been waiting 45 minutes for a burger on long weekends for years, and they'll continue to do so.

The cafe owners know this and that's why they won't employ more workers. They'll pocket the extra $40.

A cafe owner isn't in business to reduce the number of people on the unemployment line, or to reduce their customers' waiting time - they're in business to make money, for themselves.

Their sole reason for opening the doors is to fill their cash registers with more money.

Their business model is simple: employ the least amount of staff to do what's required and then exploit those workers as much as humanly possible.

If a business requires five people in order to make it run well, the owner will employ just four and then exploit those workers a little more.

This is the real world. This is how capitalism works.

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Reply #17 - Jun 10^th, 2026 at 1:42pm

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People have been waiting 45 minutes for a burger on long weekends for years, and they'll continue to do so.

The cafe owners know this and that's why they won't employ more workers. They'll pocket the extra $40.

But people don't. They just keep going and wait till they get home for a feed. Or don't go out for one in the first place. Or get a sausage roll from the servo. And the ones who do suffer the wait do not think the experience was any better for the 45 minutes of their time they lost.

The cafe's lose business because of it. A lot of them will not even open if they have to pay staff $70 per hour, despite the fact that there is plenty of potential business around because of all the other places that are shut.

Everyone loses because of the unions. Customers lose because places are either shut or overcrowded. Potential employees lose because they miss out on the job, and businesses lose because they either remain shut or do not hire as many staff as they would at $30 per hour.

Yours is the sort of magical thinking that the unions like to encourage among those who are gullible enough to give them money.

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Reply #18 - Jun 10^th, 2026 at 2:01pm

freediver wrote on Jun 10^th, 2026 at 1:42pm:

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People have been waiting 45 minutes for a burger on long weekends for years, and they'll continue to do so.

The cafe owners know this and that's why they won't employ more workers. They'll pocket the extra $40.

But people don't.

Again, I'm not sure where you live but it's not the same as the world I inhabit.

People not only wait, but they'll even queue up to get in.

The Psychology of Waiting

Perceived Quality: In many cases, a long queue naturally signals high quality to consumers, making them more willing to wait.

The "Herd" Instinct: Australian diners are often drawn to bustling venues, as a crowded restaurant implies the food and atmosphere are worth the time invested.

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Reply #19 - Jun 10^th, 2026 at 2:09pm

When you pull up somewhere for lunch on your way home after a long weekend, you are not after a 3 course meal. The last thing you want is to add 45 minutes to your trip. The fact that some people wait does not mean that everyone will. If what you claim, or hint at, were true, every cafe would make you wait 45 minutes even if they weren't busy. They don't. Because they are not the morons that the unions take their members for.

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Reply #20 - Jun 10^th, 2026 at 2:11pm

freediver wrote on Jun 10^th, 2026 at 2:09pm:

When you pull up somewhere for lunch on your way home after a long weekend, you are not after a 3 course meal. The last thing you want is to add 45 minutes to your trip. The fact that some people wait does not mean that everyone will.

I agree.

The thing is though, some people do and that's enough to keep the cafe open without having to hire more staff.

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Reply #21 - Jun 10^th, 2026 at 2:47pm

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The thing is though, some people do and that's enough to keep the cafe open without having to hire more staff.

Union-esque magical thinking again. You miss the point entirely. The people that choose not to wait are a lost business opportunity for the cafe owner and a lost employment opportunity for those who miss out on a job. Same with the cafe's that choose not to open because they cannot afford to pay staff $70 per hour. Creating unemployment does not magically become a good idea just because they stop short of grinding the entire country to a halt.

Though it is a boon for the family run cafe's who can make their own children work on public holdays.

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Reply #22 - Jun 10^th, 2026 at 3:03pm

freediver wrote on Jun 10^th, 2026 at 2:47pm:

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The thing is though, some people do and that's enough to keep the cafe open without having to hire more staff.

Union-esque magical thinking again. You miss the point entirely. The people that choose not to wait are a lost business opportunity for the cafe owner and a lost employment opportunity for those who miss out on a job.

Nope.

The cafe owner isn't going to employ more people.

There's no job to miss out on.

You're not describing what happens in the real world - you're describing a theory.

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Reply #23 - Jun 10^th, 2026 at 3:04pm

Sophia wrote on Jun 10^th, 2026 at 12:21pm:

tallowood wrote on Jun 10^th, 2026 at 10:31am:

Indeed why not if there are enough people willing to pay $30 for bacon and eggs.

I just can’t Sad

as I’m a cook-from-scratch domestic chef, I use organic free range eggs, organic butter on toast, signature organic olive oil to cook with, how do I know if even the eggs in a cafe are free range? There’s no mention so therefore they must be cheaper caged chooks eggs.
Recently it shocked me while staying at Mantra in Airlie Beach, their own restaurant offering breakfast eggs etc for $30 each unless we joined a club then it’s $24 each

Well, we walked a couple kms to nearest supermarket and I bought weetbix, milk, and paper bowls so we made our own breakfast.
4 mornings saved $240 just on breakfast alone.
Yes I’m the mathematician domestic chef at that Grin

For lunch I bought bread, ham, tomato and made sandwiches.
Many of the other lunch, morning and afternoon teas were included as part of travel deal.

Had a nice snitz lunch in Hamilton island included and these pesky blackbirds all over the diners! Geez! The waitress had a bottle of water and kept coming to spray the birds away!

If the waitress could make birds to lay eggs while customers wait $70 an hour would be justified.

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Reply #24 - Jun 10^th, 2026 at 3:08pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 10^th, 2026 at 3:03pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 10^th, 2026 at 2:47pm:

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The thing is though, some people do and that's enough to keep the cafe open without having to hire more staff.

Union-esque magical thinking again. You miss the point entirely. The people that choose not to wait are a lost business opportunity for the cafe owner and a lost employment opportunity for those who miss out on a job.

Nope.

The cafe owner isn't going to employ more people.

There's no job to miss out on.

You're not describing what happens in the real world - you're describing a theory.

You just admitted that some people will choose not to go the cafe because the wait is too long.

Also, some cafe's will choose not to open - the reason for the long queues in the first place.

How is that anything other than a lost business opportunity, and a lost employment opportunity?

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Reply #25 - Jun 10^th, 2026 at 3:18pm

freediver wrote on Jun 10^th, 2026 at 3:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 10^th, 2026 at 3:03pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 10^th, 2026 at 2:47pm:

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The thing is though, some people do and that's enough to keep the cafe open without having to hire more staff.

Union-esque magical thinking again. You miss the point entirely. The people that choose not to wait are a lost business opportunity for the cafe owner and a lost employment opportunity for those who miss out on a job.

Nope.

The cafe owner isn't going to employ more people.

There's no job to miss out on.

You're not describing what happens in the real world - you're describing a theory.

You just admitted that some people will choose not to go the cafe because the wait is too long.

Also, some cafe's will choose not to open - the reason for the long queues in the first place.

How is that anything other than a lost business opportunity, and a lost employment opportunity?

It's not causing unemployment.

If the cafe doesn't open, the staff aren't sacked - they just don't work that particular day.

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Reply #26 - Jun 10^th, 2026 at 3:28pm

So they aren't unemployed, they just aren't working? Is that what the unions say about all the unemployment they cause?

Who is it that keeps whining about "underemployment"? Wouldn't be the unions by any chance?

Can you understand how increased underemployment would lead to more people getting no work at all? Or is that too many logical steps for a union supporter to follow?

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Reply #28 - Jun 10^th, 2026 at 3:49pm

freediver wrote on Jun 10^th, 2026 at 3:28pm:

So they aren't unemployed, they just aren't working? Is that what the unions say about all the unemployment they cause?

Again, it's not creating unemployment.

Cafe owners don't spit the dummy and fire everyone the day before a public holiday and then never re-open again.

If the cafe doesn't open on a public holiday (because of penalty rates), the staff aren't sacked - they just don't work that one particular day.

And, even if in some completely unbelievable alternate universe they were sacked, the owner would need to re-employ them, or some other people looking for work, the day after the public holiday.

So, still no additional unemployment.

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