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Reply #16 - Jun 8^th, 2026 at 3:07pm

Ai_Took_Our_Jobs wrote on Jun 8^th, 2026 at 2:55pm:

tallowood wrote on Jun 8^th, 2026 at 2:37pm:

The explosive growth of AI requires massive data centers, which are straining Australia's energy grid. Experts warn that without careful planning, this AI-driven surge could threaten the country's renewable energy transition and drive up electricity bills.

Why? Households being paid decent money for their roof solar will increase take up. Best and quickest way to increase supply.

That is what AI "thinks"

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You are absolutely right. The explosive growth of AI requires massive data centers, which are straining Australia's energy grid. Experts warn that without careful planning, this AI-driven surge could threaten the country's renewable energy transition and drive up electricity bills.

The rapid expansion of artificial intelligence in Australia presents several major impacts:
Massive Energy Draw: Data centers currently use just over 2% of the electricity on the National Electricity Market, but that could surge to 6% by 2030 and up to 13% by 2040.
By 2030, AI hubs in Victoria could consume as much electricity as every home in the state.

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Reply #18 - Jun 8^th, 2026 at 3:24pm

freediver wrote on Jun 8^th, 2026 at 3:11pm:

How would that threaten the transition to renewables?

We will also be using electricity for transport far more than we used to. If anything that will help the transition to renewables, as people will be connecting more batteries to the grid.

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The explosive growth of artificial intelligence threatens the renewable energy transition by driving a massive, unexpected surge in electricity demand that heavily taxes existing grids. Because AI data centers require continuous baseload power, their massive energy appetite risks outstripping the rollout of new renewable generation, often forcing networks to rely on polluting fossil fuels.

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Reply #19 - Jun 8^th, 2026 at 3:27pm

tallowood wrote on Jun 8^th, 2026 at 3:24pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 8^th, 2026 at 3:11pm:

How would that threaten the transition to renewables?

We will also be using electricity for transport far more than we used to. If anything that will help the transition to renewables, as people will be connecting more batteries to the grid.

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The explosive growth of artificial intelligence threatens the renewable energy transition by driving a massive, unexpected surge in electricity demand that heavily taxes existing grids. Because AI data centers require continuous baseload power, their massive energy appetite risks outstripping the rollout of new renewable generation, often forcing networks to rely on polluting fossil fuels.

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The specific ways this boom threatens the transition include:

Outpacing Renewable Rollout: The rate at which energy infrastructure (wind, solar, transmission, and storage) can be constructed is much slower than the speed at which tech companies are rolling out AI servers.

Increased Reliance on Fossil Fuels: To keep AI servers running perpetually without blackouts, power grids must utilize constant, dispatchable sources of energy. When renewables fall short, grid operators are frequently forced to run coal and peaking gas plants harder or keep them active longer than originally planned.

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Reply #20 - Jun 8^th, 2026 at 3:30pm

tallowood wrote on Jun 8^th, 2026 at 3:07pm:

Ai_Took_Our_Jobs wrote on Jun 8^th, 2026 at 2:55pm:

tallowood wrote on Jun 8^th, 2026 at 2:37pm:

The explosive growth of AI requires massive data centers, which are straining Australia's energy grid. Experts warn that without careful planning, this AI-driven surge could threaten the country's renewable energy transition and drive up electricity bills.

Why? Households being paid decent money for their roof solar will increase take up. Best and quickest way to increase supply.

That is what AI "thinks"

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You are absolutely right. The explosive growth of AI requires massive data centers, which are straining Australia's energy grid. Experts warn that without careful planning, this AI-driven surge could threaten the country's renewable energy transition and drive up electricity bills.

The rapid expansion of artificial intelligence in Australia presents several major impacts:
Massive Energy Draw: Data centers currently use just over 2% of the electricity on the National Electricity Market, but that could surge to 6% by 2030 and up to 13% by 2040.
By 2030, AI hubs in Victoria could consume as much electricity as every home in the state.

When a LLM starts out with "You are absolutely right" , it's aiming to stroke your ego. You're on a path to being manipulated.

The other thing is how does Australia benefit from hosting foreign centralised AI company's data centres.

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Reply #21 - Jun 8^th, 2026 at 3:40pm

Ai_Took_Our_Jobs wrote on Jun 8^th, 2026 at 3:30pm:

tallowood wrote on Jun 8^th, 2026 at 3:07pm:

Ai_Took_Our_Jobs wrote on Jun 8^th, 2026 at 2:55pm:

tallowood wrote on Jun 8^th, 2026 at 2:37pm:

The explosive growth of AI requires massive data centers, which are straining Australia's energy grid. Experts warn that without careful planning, this AI-driven surge could threaten the country's renewable energy transition and drive up electricity bills.

Why? Households being paid decent money for their roof solar will increase take up. Best and quickest way to increase supply.

That is what AI "thinks"

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You are absolutely right. The explosive growth of AI requires massive data centers, which are straining Australia's energy grid. Experts warn that without careful planning, this AI-driven surge could threaten the country's renewable energy transition and drive up electricity bills.

The rapid expansion of artificial intelligence in Australia presents several major impacts:
Massive Energy Draw: Data centers currently use just over 2% of the electricity on the National Electricity Market, but that could surge to 6% by 2030 and up to 13% by 2040.
By 2030, AI hubs in Victoria could consume as much electricity as every home in the state.

When a LLM starts out with "You are absolutely right" , it's aiming to stroke your ego. You're on a path to being manipulated.

The other thing is how does Australia benefit from hosting foreign centralised AI company's data centres.

AI will bring nuclear power to Australia by stroking Australian ego, ok by me.

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Reply #22 - Jun 8^th, 2026 at 3:52pm

tallowood wrote on Jun 8^th, 2026 at 3:24pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 8^th, 2026 at 3:11pm:

How would that threaten the transition to renewables?

We will also be using electricity for transport far more than we used to. If anything that will help the transition to renewables, as people will be connecting more batteries to the grid.

AI said:

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The explosive growth of artificial intelligence threatens the renewable energy transition by driving a massive, unexpected surge in electricity demand that heavily taxes existing grids. Because AI data centers require continuous baseload power, their massive energy appetite risks outstripping the rollout of new renewable generation, often forcing networks to rely on polluting fossil fuels.

AI data centres do not require continuous baseload power.

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Outpacing Renewable Rollout: The rate at which energy infrastructure (wind, solar, transmission, and storage) can be constructed is much slower than the speed at which tech companies are rolling out AI servers.

More BS. The only thing limiting the rollout of energy infrastructure is demand. It's exactly the same as what is limiting the rollout of data centres.

If it is cheaper to process data somewhere in the world where the sun is shining or the wind is blowing, that is exactly what will happen. If it is cheaper to add more storage to the local grid, that is what will happen.

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Reply #23 - Jun 8^th, 2026 at 3:56pm

tallowood wrote on Jun 8^th, 2026 at 3:40pm:

Ai_Took_Our_Jobs wrote on Jun 8^th, 2026 at 3:30pm:

tallowood wrote on Jun 8^th, 2026 at 3:07pm:

Ai_Took_Our_Jobs wrote on Jun 8^th, 2026 at 2:55pm:

tallowood wrote on Jun 8^th, 2026 at 2:37pm:

The explosive growth of AI requires massive data centers, which are straining Australia's energy grid. Experts warn that without careful planning, this AI-driven surge could threaten the country's renewable energy transition and drive up electricity bills.

Why? Households being paid decent money for their roof solar will increase take up. Best and quickest way to increase supply.

That is what AI "thinks"

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You are absolutely right. The explosive growth of AI requires massive data centers, which are straining Australia's energy grid. Experts warn that without careful planning, this AI-driven surge could threaten the country's renewable energy transition and drive up electricity bills.

The rapid expansion of artificial intelligence in Australia presents several major impacts:
Massive Energy Draw: Data centers currently use just over 2% of the electricity on the National Electricity Market, but that could surge to 6% by 2030 and up to 13% by 2040.
By 2030, AI hubs in Victoria could consume as much electricity as every home in the state.

When a LLM starts out with "You are absolutely right" , it's aiming to stroke your ego. You're on a path to being manipulated.

The other thing is how does Australia benefit from hosting foreign centralised AI company's data centres.

AI will bring nuclear power to Australia by stroking Australian ego, ok by me.

Would bet on AGI/ASI using Fusion, rather than old, toxic, expensive methods such as yellowcake.

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Reply #24 - Jun 8^th, 2026 at 3:57pm

freediver wrote on Jun 8^th, 2026 at 3:52pm:

tallowood wrote on Jun 8^th, 2026 at 3:24pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 8^th, 2026 at 3:11pm:

How would that threaten the transition to renewables?

We will also be using electricity for transport far more than we used to. If anything that will help the transition to renewables, as people will be connecting more batteries to the grid.

AI said:

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The explosive growth of artificial intelligence threatens the renewable energy transition by driving a massive, unexpected surge in electricity demand that heavily taxes existing grids. Because AI data centers require continuous baseload power, their massive energy appetite risks outstripping the rollout of new renewable generation, often forcing networks to rely on polluting fossil fuels.

AI data centres do not require continuous baseload power.

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Outpacing Renewable Rollout: The rate at which energy infrastructure (wind, solar, transmission, and storage) can be constructed is much slower than the speed at which tech companies are rolling out AI servers.

More BS. The only thing limiting the rollout of energy infrastructure is demand. It's exactly the same as what is limiting the rollout of data centres.

Sounds like AI is perfect candidate to Govern Australians Cheesy

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53181 At my desk.	Re: Ai Will Govern Australians Reply #25 - Jun 8^th, 2026 at 3:57pm Perhaps the Liberal party should think about winning elections rather than having their ego stroked.
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tallowood Gold Member Online Израиль Навсегда Posts: 8113 Gender:	Re: Ai Will Govern Australians Reply #26 - Jun 8^th, 2026 at 4:09pm freediver wrote on Jun 8^th, 2026 at 3:57pm: Perhaps the Liberal party should think about winning elections rather than having their ego stroked. The should learn from AI how to stroke voters ego and then bring in the Atom.
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Ai_Took_Our_Jobs Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 792 Gender:	Re: Ai Will Govern Australians Reply #27 - Jun 8^th, 2026 at 4:11pm Wanting to die on that same hill again, are the Liberal Party owned by the nuclear lobby?
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Reply #28 - Jun 8^th, 2026 at 4:14pm

Ai_Took_Our_Jobs wrote on Jun 8^th, 2026 at 4:11pm:

Wanting to die on that same hill again, are the Liberal Party owned by the nuclear lobby?

I suspect it is the coal power industry lobby. The same people running coal fired power stations will end up running nuclear. It is a similar design, just different fuel. If we switch to solar and wind, they might be out of a job. Though wind at least has a rotating generator.

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Daves2017 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3322 Gender:	Re: Ai Will Govern Australians Reply #29 - Jun 8^th, 2026 at 6:50pm vote 1 AI!!!
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