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Re: What if the "Teals" formed a political party?
Reply #90 - May 31^st, 2026 at 3:03pm

lee wrote on May 31^st, 2026 at 1:36pm:

Aquarius wrote on May 30^th, 2026 at 11:32am:

Zali herself says her parliamentary record of voting is ... Liberals 51%, Labor 52% and Greens 54%.

So she has 157% voting record? Roll Eyes

If Labor have 20 proposals she could support 50% of them, If the liberals have 25 proposals she could support 50% of them, if the greens have 6 proposals she could support 50% of them and if the Browns had 132 proposals she could support 100% of them ?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21092 Gender:	Re: What if the "Teals" formed a political party? Reply #91 - May 31^st, 2026 at 3:50pm Plenty of "IF's" in that. So you mean she doesn't support them as she described. She does not mention individual proposals only her voting record..
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53210 At my desk.	Re: What if the "Teals" formed a political party? Reply #92 - May 31^st, 2026 at 4:00pm What he means is that you do not understand the statistics. He wasn't trying to prove any kind of point, just explain them to you.
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Re: What if the "Teals" formed a political party?
Reply #93 - May 31^st, 2026 at 4:06pm

Voting with the Greens and Labor
Parliament’s official Hansard shows that in the last term of parliament, eight Teal independents in the House of Representatives:

Voted most often with the Greens (average 73%).
Voted more often with Labor (average 40%) than Liberal (average 33%).

Teals have consistently argued for higher taxes

Weak on security
In February 2023, every Teal Independent voted with the Greens against legislation (supported by both Labor and the Coalition) which makes more people with criminal convictions unable to get Australian Visas.5

In November 2023, following the mass release of hardened criminals from immigration detention, four Teal Independents (Daniel, Haines, Tink and Ryan) voted against urgent legislation to introduce electronic monitoring and criminalise breaches of visa conditions.6

In November 2023 seven Teal Independents (Daniel, Ryan, Haines, Tink, Scamps, Steggall and Chaney) voted with the Greens against legislation enabling the minister to request a court to cease a dual citizen’s Australian citizenship, where they have been convicted of serious offences including terrorism, espionage and offences relating to explosives and lethal devices.7

In February 2025, six Teal Independents (Daniel, Ryan, Haines, Tink, Steggall and Chaney) voted with the Greens against bipartisan amendments to introduce minimum mandatory sentences for terrorism offences and the display of prohibited terrorist symbols and nazi symbols.8

Backed by big donors – mostly from Sydney and Melbourne
Far from being a grassroots, organic movement, the Teal movement is backed by wealthy donors, led by Simon Holmes à Court.

Of the $12.8 million in donations declared by Mr Holmes à Court’s “Climate 200” group (up to 2022-23), 97% of the donations have come from just NSW and Victoria

Two Sydney teal MPs have joined forces with the Greens to accuse Israel of war crimes just nine days after Hamas terrorists murdered more than 1400 Israelis, in a move condemned as “reprehensible” by prominent Jewish leaders.

Only run against Liberals and Nationals
Despite claiming they are independent and driven by community movements, it is telling that in federal elections, Teals have only seriously run against Liberal and Nationals MPs.

They use a campaign operation – Populares – with deep links to the Labor Party and GetUp.

https://www.tealsrevealed.com/facts-about-teals

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53210 At my desk.	Re: What if the "Teals" formed a political party? Reply #94 - May 31^st, 2026 at 5:51pm Quote: Voted most often with the Greens (average 73%). Voted more often with Labor (average 40%) than Liberal (average 33%). Sounds pretty independent to me. What do you want them to do, flip a coin each time there is a bill before parliament?
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Reply #95 - May 31^st, 2026 at 6:24pm

freediver wrote on May 31^st, 2026 at 5:51pm:

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Voted most often with the Greens (average 73%).
Voted more often with Labor (average 40%) than Liberal (average 33%).

Sounds pretty independent to me. What do you want them to do, flip a coin each time there is a bill before parliament?

trend line is virtually flat pointing to 75% being the default flow of One Nation preferences to the Coalition.
[url=trend line is virtually flat pointing to 75% being the default flow of One Nation preferences to the Coalition.]Antony Green[/url]

Sounds 'pretty independent' to you?

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 61899 Here Gender:	Re: What if the "Teals" formed a political party? Reply #96 - May 31^st, 2026 at 7:20pm https://assets.nationbuilder.com/brains/pages/886/attachments/original/174484953... She has a question mark in all her preference options, She is leaving it up to the voters. You would assume that her preferences flow strongly to the lieberals.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53210 At my desk.	Re: What if the "Teals" formed a political party? Reply #97 - May 31^st, 2026 at 8:04pm Quote: Sounds 'pretty independent' to you? Are you asking me to read that into One Nation preference distributions Frank?
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Re: What if the "Teals" formed a political party?
Reply #98 - May 31^st, 2026 at 8:39pm

"What if the "Teals" formed a political party?"

Politics in Australia.....is devolving [more and more] into a form of
government by power blocks in the Australian parliament,
for the benefit of the members of power blocks in the Australian parliament.

devolve4 = = degenerate

Isn't it ?

Q.
If democracy [in government] in Australia, was/is intended to be
a representative government,
how is Teals forming their own political party,
beneficial/efficacious to those citizens of Australia who elected Teal candidates - being represented, in the Australian parliament ?

Q.
Why is there no truth
[i.e. accountability for policy consequences, OR, the lack of]
in ALL modern, western forms of 'democratic' government ?

A.
Because there is no real accountability
[for policy consequences, OR, the lack of],
in ALL modern, western forms of 'democratic' government.

Not so ?

The phrase.....'representative government' in this nation is a blatant, and rampant falsehood.

rampant = = flourishing or spreading unchecked.

Q.
Why is this [once great] nation failing ?

A fish rots from the head.

.

Proverbs 24:24
He that saith unto the wicked, Thou art righteous;
him shall the people curse, nations shall abhor him:

Proverbs 29:2
When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice:
but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.

Isaiah 5:20
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil;
that put darkness for light, and light for darkness;
that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Amos 5:10
They hate him that rebuketh in the gate,
and they abhor him that speaketh uprightly.

Isaiah 59:3
.....your hands are defiled with blood,
and your fingers with iniquity;
your lips have spoken lies,
your tongue hath muttered perverseness.
4 None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth:
they trust in vanity, and speak lies;
they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity.

Jeremiah 9:3
And they bend their tongues like their bow for lies:
but they are not valiant for the truth upon the earth;
for they proceed from evil to evil,
and they know not me, saith the LORD.
...
...
6 Thine habitation is in the midst of deceit;
through deceit they refuse to know me, saith the LORD.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: What if the "Teals" formed a political party?
Reply #99 - May 31^st, 2026 at 8:43pm

Yadda wrote on May 31^st, 2026 at 8:39pm:

"What if the "Teals" formed a political party?"

Politics in Australia.....is devolving [more and more] into a form of
government by power blocks in the Australian parliament,
for the benefit of the members of power blocks in the Australian parliament.

devolve4 = = degenerate

Isn't it ?

Q.
If democracy [in government] in Australia, was/is intended to be
a representative government,
how is Teals forming their own political party,
beneficial/efficacious to those citizens of Australia who elected Teal candidates - being represented, in the Australian parliament ?

Q.
Why is there no truth
[i.e. accountability for policy consequences, OR, the lack of]
in ALL modern, western forms of 'democratic' government ?

A.
Because there is no real accountability
[for policy consequences, OR, the lack of],
in ALL modern, western forms of 'democratic' government.

Not so ?

The phrase.....'representative government' in this nation is a blatant, and rampant falsehood.

rampant = = flourishing or spreading unchecked.

Q.
Why is this [once great] nation failing ?

A fish rots from the head.

You read precisely that into the Teals'.

Why shirk now?

Vicky Pollard yeah but no but yeah but?

Proverbs 24:24
He that saith unto the wicked, Thou art righteous;
him shall the people curse, nations shall abhor him:

Proverbs 29:2
When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice:
but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.

Isaiah 5:20
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil;
that put darkness for light, and light for darkness;
that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Amos 5:10
They hate him that rebuketh in the gate,
and they abhor him that speaketh uprightly.

Isaiah 59:3
.....your hands are defiled with blood,
and your fingers with iniquity;
your lips have spoken lies,
your tongue hath muttered perverseness.
4 None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth:
they trust in vanity, and speak lies;
they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity.

Jeremiah 9:3
And they bend their tongues like their bow for lies:
but they are not valiant for the truth upon the earth;
for they proceed from evil to evil,
and they know not me, saith the LORD.
...
...
6 Thine habitation is in the midst of deceit;
through deceit they refuse to know me, saith the LORD.

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Re: What if the "Teals" formed a political party?
Reply #100 - May 31^st, 2026 at 8:50pm

And FIX your frikken board, FD. It's all over he *&*&^ place with quotes, edit and the rest.

Get it working or see it die. Your quote, edit functions are shite, your habitues are mostly deranged ****wits.

Yeah me too but you aint much better. Perhaps the state of this biard IS you.

GO PAULINE!! anropogenic climate change is bollocks. The teals are silly old women financed by a South African Billionnaire lost for purpose.

You?8

(8h/t to wee paki)

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Re: What if the "Teals" formed a political party?
Reply #102 - May 31^st, 2026 at 9:07pm

The teals have done nothing.

We need leaders not nobodies.

One nation may swallow them up whole and spit their bones out.

Which ( if I’m correct?) means saving the taxpayers their huge pensions that they will not be entitled too!

I want people in charge of Australia who can fix our problems.

Not just sit around using taxpayer money for perks and travel.

Hi Anika Wells! They don’t come any more corrupted than her, Albos “ chosen one “.

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Re: What if the "Teals" formed a political party?
Reply #103 - Jun 1^st, 2026 at 9:35am

lee wrote on May 31^st, 2026 at 1:36pm:

Aquarius wrote on May 30^th, 2026 at 11:32am:

Zali herself says her parliamentary record of voting is ... Liberals 51%, Labor 52% and Greens 54%.

So she has 157% voting record? Roll Eyes

Do you ever think logically about what you read? That Labor and Liberals (and even Greens) can quite often vote the same on various legislation? And hence Zali has voted with both or all? Roll Eyes

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Re: What if the "Teals" formed a political party?
Reply #104 - Jun 1^st, 2026 at 9:58am

Frank wrote on May 30^th, 2026 at 12:33pm:

freediver wrote on May 30^th, 2026 at 12:14pm:

Frank wrote on May 30^th, 2026 at 10:57am:

The seven Teal MPs in the House of Representatives have voted with the radical extremist Greens Political Party on Bills between 73 and 81 per cent of the time since being elected in 2022, new figures reveal.

Which tells you what? That they weren't flipping a coin?

You pretend not to see the "what". Why?

“Many Australians in electorates held by a Teal Party MP would be quite surprised to know that their representative has aligned herself so firmly with the radical, extremist Greens Political Party – who of course are well to the left of even the current Labor Government.

I wasn't so surprised to hear that she was aligned with the extremist Greens but what really surprised me about Zali is her connection with GetUp! Her first campaign manager Louise Hislop is an activist member of GetUp. So GetUp were totally involved in Steggall's first campaign in Warringah. At the time I didn't have a clue - neither did anyone else - at first! Which makes her claim about "honest politics" look rather suspect. You see Zali we have been told by her ex husband has only voted Greens - never Liberal. Now obviously she couldn't stand for the Greens in Warringah because she would get nowhere so she had to do it by stealth - as an "independent."

It soon became apparent that this "teal army" of volunteers were something we'd never experienced before - GetUp activists. They were in your face everywhere in the electorate - hundreds of them doorknocking relentlessly months before the election. One of the things that infuriated me was their aggressiveness. They'd bail you up on street corners forcing you to listen to their spiel, forcing you to take their brochures and how to vote cards and were so in your face you'd have to actually push them away!

In fact at the election before last, one of Zali Steggall’s campaign workers stabbed a Liberal volunteer with a corkscrew and was charged and convicted with two counts of assault! And a campaign worker for Dr Sophie Scamps (teal independent in next door Mackellar) turned up to a Katherine Deves (Liberal) campaign event and was also charged by the police with assault.

Is this what "Teal" integrity will mean in the future?

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