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Reply #30 - May 26^th, 2026 at 2:44pm

aquascoot wrote on May 25^th, 2026 at 9:00pm:

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Yes — in any serious fuel rationing system, governments would almost certainly give priority access to workers and industries considered “essential” to public safety, health, food supply, and basic infrastructure.
In Australia, the existing emergency framework under the dcceew.gov.au⁠� already identifies “essential users” who could receive fuel ahead of the general public during a national liquid fuel emergency. These include ambulance, police, fire, emergency services, public transport and similar critical services. �
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Health care workers would very likely be prioritised, especially:
hospitals
ambulances
aged care
home nursing
medical supply transport
essential staff commuting where alternatives are limited
Farmers would also probably receive preferential treatment in a prolonged shortage because food production depends heavily on diesel for tractors, irrigation, harvesting and freight. While agriculture is not automatically listed in the core “essential users” legislation, governments can extend priority status during a crisis, and there have already been strong calls to prioritise farming in recent regional fuel shortages. �
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Non-essential commuting and recreational driving would likely face the biggest restrictions first. Retirees would not automatically be excluded, but they generally would not receive priority unless they had essential medical or caregiving needs.
In practice, a rationing system would probably look something like:
Emergency and health services first
Food production and freight
Utilities and critical infrastructure
Essential workers with no transport alternatives
General public under capped purchases or ration cards
Historically, rationing systems usually try to guarantee minimum access for everyone while reserving extra supply for critical sectors. �
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Good post, but you can't see the forrest for the trees: in an overpriced housing market (relative to the average wage), possible petrol rationing is a lower order problem: we know the government can support people in an emergency eg the covid pandemic,
whereas unaffordable houing is a long term problem needing a fix NOW.

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Reply #31 - May 26^th, 2026 at 3:14pm

freediver wrote on May 26^th, 2026 at 7:10am:

If you would like to know more, start with the UN reports.

oh dear. An appeal to authority. You do know the UN doesn't do any research into climate? Grin

freediver wrote on May 26^th, 2026 at 7:10am:

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Bowen said they had plans for possible rationing.

Possible rationing, in response to the shortage brought on by the Iran war. It was a bad idea then. It doesn't magically become a better idea by making it permanent.

Not my post dick. Roll Eyes

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Re: What if the "Teals" formed a political party?
Reply #32 - May 26^th, 2026 at 4:02pm

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oh dear. An appeal to authority

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It is not an appeal to authority Lee. I am telling you the best place to start looking. If you have no interest in the science, why did you ask about the science? Did you think I would literally be able to detail the science of climate change in a post to this forum? If that is what you think, you probably should vote Liberal.

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Not my post dick.

I didn't say it was.

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Reply #33 - May 26^th, 2026 at 4:28pm

freediver wrote on May 26^th, 2026 at 4:02pm:

I am telling you the best place to start looking.

Ok The IPCC setup by the WMO and UNEP. table 12.12 of WG1 - the physical science basis.

Now you will notice that there are two descriptor labels and tow output labels.

You might not be aware that the IPCC doesn't discriminate between natural and anthropogenic warming.

You may also not be aware that the IPCC has recently dropped RCP
8.8 and SSP8.5 from its list of scenarios, so that means they are dead, debunked, not a part of the climate anymore.

So how does that translate to Climageddon. It has warmed possibly from CO2, although the level is really too small to tell.
So please tell us what has this bee in your bonnet? Roll Eyes

You didn't say it wasn't either. Roll Eyes

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Reply #34 - May 26^th, 2026 at 4:32pm

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You might not be aware that the IPCC doesn't discriminate between natural and anthropogenic warming.

The earth was cooling very slowly prior to AGW. This had been going on for about 6500 years. Depending on the averaging you use, the earth started warming again due to AGW some time between 1850 and 1920, with most of the warming since about 1980. Without fossil fuel burning, the earth would most likely still be cooling, so all of the warming (and then some) is attributable to human effects.

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You may also not be aware that the IPCC has recently dropped RCP
8.8 and SSP8.5 from its list of scenarios, so that means they are dead, debunked, not a part of the climate anymore.

Duh. These are scenarios for how much we emit. It looks like we are never going to emit that much. The science that tells you that you will die if you shoot yourself in the head is not "debunked" merely because you refrain from shooting yourself in the head. But that is Liberal party logic for you, and that is why the Liberal part is so on the nose with voters.

You will find that actual climate change is pretty much in line with the mid range predictions from when the IPCC first started making predictions. In about 1980 I think.

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Reply #35 - May 26^th, 2026 at 4:51pm

freediver wrote on May 26^th, 2026 at 4:32pm:

The earth was cooling very slowly prior to AGW. This had been going on for about 6500 years. Depending on the averaging you use, the earth started warming again due to AGW some time between 1850 and 1920, with most of the warming since about 1980. Without fossil fuel burning, the earth would most likely still be cooling, so all of the warming (and then some) is attributable to human effects.

Nope. That is the theory. So to you there is no natural variation in climate? How then do you explain other cooling /warming periods? Oh, and of course the pause, we didn't stop burning coal.

Of course you may want to go back to the LIA, famines, disease, cold. But I don't.

BTW- The 1960's were a time of cooling. And despite claims otherwise there was a scare of global cooling, due to CO2.

You did know the various Clean Air Acts cleaned the particles from the atmosphere and aloowed more sunlight to reach earth? More sunlight - more heat.

freediver wrote on May 26^th, 2026 at 4:32pm:

These are scenarios for how much we emit. It looks like we are never going to emit that much.

Therefore, the prognostications were bogus, and have been called bogus for many years. Based mostly on the availability of coal which was supposed to keep on increasing up to 2100.

freediver wrote on May 26^th, 2026 at 4:32pm:

You will find that actual climate change is pretty much in line with the mid range predictions from when the IPCC first started making predictions. In about 1980 I think.

And yet their models don't show that. They have been running too hot for far too long,

The IPCC say they don't make predictions. Roll Eyes

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Reply #37 - May 26^th, 2026 at 5:32pm

freediver wrote on May 26^th, 2026 at 5:18pm:

What do you think "the earth was cooling" meant? No change to the climate?

And where have I claimed different? The climate has always changed, it always will. We still have partial snowball earth. Roll Eyes

You haven't proved shown that it was AGW, either wholly or in part. Wink

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53190 At my desk.	Re: What if the "Teals" formed a political party? Reply #38 - May 26^th, 2026 at 7:18pm Quote: And where have I claimed different? Right here: Quote: So to you there is no natural variation in climate? What do you think "the earth was cooling" meant? No change to the climate? Would you like to keep going round in circles on this, like a liberal party supporter?
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Reply #39 - May 26^th, 2026 at 7:39pm

freediver wrote on May 26^th, 2026 at 7:18pm:

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And where have I claimed different?

Right here:

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So to you there is no natural variation in climate?

What do you think "the earth was cooling" meant? No change to the climate?

Would you like to keep going round in circles on this, like a liberal party supporter?

Al Gore Cautions That an Ice Age Like ‘The Day After Tomorrow’ Could Arrive in 25 Years, a Decade After ‘Inconvenient Truth’ Predictions Did Not Come True
April 25, 2026

The climate crisis continues, NO MATTER what happens. The crisis IS the thing. the rest is just fuss and detail, innit.

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Reply #40 - May 26^th, 2026 at 7:45pm

Frank wrote on May 26^th, 2026 at 7:39pm:

freediver wrote on May 26^th, 2026 at 7:18pm:

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And where have I claimed different?

Right here:

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So to you there is no natural variation in climate?

What do you think "the earth was cooling" meant? No change to the climate?

Would you like to keep going round in circles on this, like a liberal party supporter?

Al Gore Cautions That an Ice Age Like ‘The Day After Tomorrow’ Could Arrive in 25 Years, a Decade After ‘Inconvenient Truth’ Predictions Did Not Come True
April 25, 2026

The climate crisis continues, NO MATTER what happens. The crisis IS the thing. the rest is just fuss and detail, innit.

Hmmm. Perhaps the Liberals are in a fight to the death with Al Gore. They have forgotten about running the country.

Who do you think will die first?

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Reply #41 - May 26^th, 2026 at 7:51pm

Frank is right:

https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2026/04/25/al-gore-warns-the-day-after-t...

25 Apr 2026

Former Vice President Al Gore is still making climate doom predictions, 20 years after his warnings from An Inconvenient Truth proved false — this time invoking the science fiction film The Day After Tomorrow for a rapt Hollywood audience.

Gore joined the first-ever Sustainability in Entertainment Honors event Thursday, organized by The Hollywood Reporter and the Sustainable Entertainment Alliance, for a keynote conversation with The West Wing star Bradley Whitford. The pair reminisced about the Oscar-winning documentary An Inconvenient Truth, conspicuously omitting its failed prophecy that Earth’s ecosystems would reach a “tipping point” of no return, thanks to human industrial activity, in only ten years. That deadline that came and went a full decade ago.

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Reply #42 - May 27^th, 2026 at 2:32pm

freediver wrote on May 26^th, 2026 at 7:18pm:

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And where have I claimed different?

Right here:

You did notice the question mark???? Or don't you do English?

freediver wrote on May 26^th, 2026 at 7:18pm:

What do you think "the earth was cooling" meant? No change to the climate?

You didn't provide a timeline. Am I supposed to read what passes for your mind?

freediver wrote on May 26^th, 2026 at 7:18pm:

Would you like to keep going round in circles on this, like a liberal party supporter?

Would you like to start telling us the science" of AGW? Roll Eyes

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Reply #43 - May 27^th, 2026 at 2:36pm

Of course I provided a timeline. Here it is for you again:

lee wrote on May 26^th, 2026 at 4:51pm:

freediver wrote on May 26^th, 2026 at 4:32pm:

The earth was cooling very slowly prior to AGW. This had been going on for about 6500 years. Depending on the averaging you use, the earth started warming again due to AGW some time between 1850 and 1920, with most of the warming since about 1980. Without fossil fuel burning, the earth would most likely still be cooling, so all of the warming (and then some) is attributable to human effects.

So to you there is no natural variation in climate?

Can you explain why you responded to this by "asking" why I think the climate does not change naturally? Despite actually quoting where I said the climate was changing naturally? I am not sure how to dumb it down any more for you Lee. I realise you are a rusted on Liberal voter, so I need to cut you some slack, but just go back and read it again instead of asking stupid questions and going round in circles.

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Reply #44 - May 27^th, 2026 at 2:48pm

freediver wrote on May 27^th, 2026 at 2:36pm:

Can you explain why you responded to this by "asking" why I think the climate does not change naturally?

Well you haven't got around to the bit when it was warmer with more CO2, cooler with more CO2. 6,500 years is merely a gnat on the bun of the elephant.

freediver wrote on May 27^th, 2026 at 2:36pm:

Despite actually quoting where I said the climate was changing naturally?

Was it? If it was natural what was the reason? Or perhaps it was reasons?

So tell us why the IPCC doesn't differentiate between natural and anthro CO2 emissions?

BTW- You also said "Without fossil fuel burning, the earth would most likely still be cooling, so all of the warming (and then some) is attributable to human effects."

How exactly did you arrive at that? How could more of the warming have happened than actually happened? Roll Eyes

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