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Reply #15 - May 25th, 2026 at 5:47pm
 
lee wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 5:08pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 4:59pm:
Climate change/ecological disaster - or increasing inequality,  might force the change we need, stay tuned.....



you mean like the  CCP and the rest of the population? Roll Eyes


The CCP is achieving the fastest transition to renewables of any nation on the planet, even while rapidly producing more electricity; China is far and away the largest energy producer/consumer in the world, fortunately they don't follow Trump's climate policies... 
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Reply #16 - May 25th, 2026 at 5:59pm
 
freediver wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 5:34pm:
The CCP has killed about 100 million of it's own citizens. That's on top of the one child policy. I wouldn't want to be Chinese, but one good thing that came from it is a bit of a reprieve for the climate.


"has killed"...when?

As for overpopulation; yes central planning might be required in some countries, though the CCP has ended population controls in China, because rising living standards are associated with a fall in fertility rates as women become 'liberated'.

But you will be pleased with CCP climate policies; you can be amazed by the silence of Shanghai's traffic when no Neanderthals driving  expensive European fossil-powered sportscars  are roaring through the streets.   


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Reply #17 - May 25th, 2026 at 6:20pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 5:47pm:
The CCP is achieving the fastest transition to renewables of any nation on the planet, even while rapidly producing more electricity; China is far and away the largest energy producer/consumer in the world, fortunately they don't follow Trump's climate policies... 



And their continued use of coal power is unabated. Generating more of those emissions you fear. Roll Eyes
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Reply #18 - May 25th, 2026 at 6:23pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 5:37pm:
Interestingly, people who own a house and can afford roof solar+battery+EV can have free electricity and no need of petrol. 


And yet you complain about house prices. Roll Eyes
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Reply #19 - May 25th, 2026 at 6:50pm
 
lee wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 6:20pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 5:47pm:
The CCP is achieving the fastest transition to renewables of any nation on the planet, even while rapidly producing more electricity; China is far and away the largest energy producer/consumer in the world, fortunately they don't follow Trump's climate policies... 


And their continued use of coal power is unabated. Generating more of those emissions you fear. Roll Eyes


The point is the proportion of coal in the energy mix is reducing, as the economy's  energy demands keep growing. 

The Hormuz closure (+ plus Siberian gas pipeline) will only reinforce the transition.

As for "fearing" emissions: experiencing the pleasing silence of Shanghai's traffic has convinced me 'net zero' is the way to go.

Industry reports indicate that EV adoption has crossed the 50% threshold of all new automobile sales in China, easily outpacing rates in both Europe and the United States.



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Reply #20 - May 25th, 2026 at 7:31pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 6:50pm:
The point is the proportion of coal in the energy mix is reducing, as the economy's  energy demands keep growing. 



And? If you start from a low base, like renewables, it must reduce. How much more renewables for it to capture 100% of the energy market? 3.5 times the current installed base?  Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 6:50pm:
The Hormuz closure (+ plus Siberian gas pipeline) will only reinforce the transition.


That is an assumption.

And coal imports are surging. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 6:50pm:
As for "fearing" emissions: experiencing the pleasing silence of Shanghai's traffic has convinced me 'net zero' is the way to go.


Oh I would have thought that was EV's. And no, they are not climate neutral, so must be above zero. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 6:50pm:
Industry reports indicate that EV adoption has crossed the 50% threshold of all new automobile sales in China, easily outpacing rates in both Europe and the United States.



That's what happens when you dump them on the market. Wink
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Re: What if the "Teals" formed a political party?
Reply #21 - May 25th, 2026 at 7:59pm
 
aquascoot wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 5:38pm:
freediver wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 4:07pm:
aquascoot wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 3:55pm:
freediver wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 3:31pm:
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These are the sort of yuppies that scream for nett zero but also scream they don't want their petrol rationed.


Do you want petrol rationed?



Im an essential service, both my farm and my business , so they will probably give me an exemption. My wife is an RN so she probably gets one as well.. I am also very happy to commute via motorcycle and have no financial need to make a profit from the farm.   Urban yuppies in love with the renewables are going to reveal their woeful hypocrisy  when they have to catch public transport  Cheesy


An exemption from what?

This is sounding like the sort of mindless liberal party gibberish that is the reason for the Teal's popularity.



Do you think they'll ration farmers and nurses in the same  way as grey nomads and urban public servants ?
Smiley


Who are "they"?

I don't think anyone is going to be rationed. This is just more liberal party gibberish, like climate denialism, the sudden realisation that we need nuclear power, etc etc. No wonder voters are abandoning the liberal party in droves. You can't treat people like morons and expect them to thank you.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 5:59pm:
freediver wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 5:34pm:
The CCP has killed about 100 million of it's own citizens. That's on top of the one child policy. I wouldn't want to be Chinese, but one good thing that came from it is a bit of a reprieve for the climate.


"has killed"...when?


Good question TGD. Happy to inform you about the many and varied evils of the CCP.

Over the course of their reign. They killed about 20 million people in their initial efforts to gain power. Then when the Japs invaded in WWII they took a step back so the the Japanese could take a turn at raping and pillaging their way across China. Then after the Americans saved China from the Japanese, the CCP started another killing spree, because their enemies had died in huge numbers trying to defend China. The next big one was the Great Chinese Famine. About 50 million dead. Then Mao went on holidays. Then Mao came back and had another killing spree. Then there was covid, which you assure us did not kill many people in China, though you are yet to explain how the CCP accurately monitored covid deaths at the same time as denying it even existed and jailing journalists for talking about it.

The CCP likes to alternate between psychopathic killing sprees, and killing even more people with one colossal F-up after another.
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Re: What if the "Teals" formed a political party?
Reply #22 - May 25th, 2026 at 8:36pm
 
freediver wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 7:59pm:
This is just more liberal party gibberish, like climate denialism, the sudden realisation that we need nuclear power, etc etc. No wonder voters are abandoning the liberal party in droves.



What climate denialism? Who denies the climate changes? What exactly does the science say? Be specific. Wink
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Re: What if the "Teals" formed a political party?
Reply #23 - May 25th, 2026 at 8:56pm
 
Efreediver wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 7:59pm:
aquascoot wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 5:38pm:
freediver wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 4:07pm:
aquascoot wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 3:55pm:
freediver wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 3:31pm:
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These are the sort of yuppies that scream for nett zero but also scream they don't want their petrol rationed.


Do you want petrol rationed?



Im an essential service, both my farm and my business , so they will probably give me an exemption. My wife is an RN so she probably gets one as well.. I am also very happy to commute via motorcycle and have no financial need to make a profit from the farm.   Urban yuppies in love with the renewables are going to reveal their woeful hypocrisy  when they have to catch public transport  Cheesy


An exemption from what?

This is sounding like the sort of mindless liberal party gibberish that is the reason for the Teal's popularity.



Do you think they'll ration farmers and nurses in the same  way as grey nomads and urban public servants ?
Smiley


Who are "they"?

I don't think anyone is going to be rationed. This is just more liberal party gibberish, like climate denialism, the sudden realisation that we need nuclear power, etc etc. No wonder voters are abandoning the liberal party in droves. You can't treat people like morons and expect them to thank you.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 5:59pm:
freediver wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 5:34pm:
The CCP has killed about 100 million of it's own citizens. That's on top of the one child policy. I wouldn't want to be Chinese, but one good thing that came from it is a bit of a reprieve for the climate.


"has killed"...when?


Good question TGD. Happy to inform you about the many and varied evils of the CCP.

Over the course of their reign. They killed about 20 million people in their initial efforts to gain power. Then when the Japs invaded in WWII they took a step back so the the Japanese could take a turn at raping and pillaging their way across China. Then after the Americans saved China from the Japanese, the CCP started another killing spree, because their enemies had died in huge numbers trying to defend China. The next big one was the Great Chinese Famine. About 50 million dead. Then Mao went on holidays. Then Mao came back and had another killing spree. Then there was covid, which you assure us did not kill many people in China, though you are yet to explain how the CCP accurately monitored covid deaths at the same time as denying it even existed and jailing journalists for talking about it.

The CCP likes to alternate between psychopathic killing sprees, and killing even more people with one colossal F-up after another.




Hi free diver

'they" are the government.

Bowen said they had plans for possible rationing.

Do you think nurses at rural hospitals and farmers will be subject to rationing ,or will they  get petrol whilst it is denied to non essential workers and retirees
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Reply #24 - May 25th, 2026 at 9:00pm
 
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Chat gpt agrees with aquascoot. Wink


Yes — in any serious fuel rationing system, governments would almost certainly give priority access to workers and industries considered “essential” to public safety, health, food supply, and basic infrastructure.
In Australia, the existing emergency framework under the dcceew.gov.au⁠� already identifies “essential users” who could receive fuel ahead of the general public during a national liquid fuel emergency. These include ambulance, police, fire, emergency services, public transport and similar critical services. �
DCCEEW +1
Health care workers would very likely be prioritised, especially:
hospitals
ambulances
aged care
home nursing
medical supply transport
essential staff commuting where alternatives are limited
Farmers would also probably receive preferential treatment in a prolonged shortage because food production depends heavily on diesel for tractors, irrigation, harvesting and freight. While agriculture is not automatically listed in the core “essential users” legislation, governments can extend priority status during a crisis, and there have already been strong calls to prioritise farming in recent regional fuel shortages. �
Australian Institute of Petroleum +2
Non-essential commuting and recreational driving would likely face the biggest restrictions first. Retirees would not automatically be excluded, but they generally would not receive priority unless they had essential medical or caregiving needs.
In practice, a rationing system would probably look something like:
Emergency and health services first
Food production and freight
Utilities and critical infrastructure
Essential workers with no transport alternatives
General public under capped purchases or ration cards
Historically, rationing systems usually try to guarantee minimum access for everyone while reserving extra supply for critical sectors. �
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Reply #25 - May 26th, 2026 at 7:10am
 
lee wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 8:36pm:
freediver wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 7:59pm:
This is just more liberal party gibberish, like climate denialism, the sudden realisation that we need nuclear power, etc etc. No wonder voters are abandoning the liberal party in droves.



What climate denialism? Who denies the climate changes? What exactly does the science say? Be specific. Wink


If you would like to know more, start with the UN reports. They are a bit long to copy and paste.

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Possible rationing, in response to the shortage brought on by the Iran war. It was a bad idea then. It doesn't magically become a better idea by making it permanent.
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Reply #26 - May 26th, 2026 at 8:33am
 
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What if the "Teals" formed a political party?


Instead of having a bunch of useless individuals you would have a group of useless people.

No real change.
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Reply #27 - May 26th, 2026 at 2:07pm
 
Dnarever wrote on May 26th, 2026 at 8:33am:
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Instead of having a bunch of useless individuals you would have a group of useless people.

No real change.


True.

And what defines being "useless"? 

I would say people who insist on arguing over "fair" taxation" and "aspiration"  are useless - witness the current uproar over Labor's tax changes supposed to engender fairness in the housing market, even though those policies won't reduce homelessness/c-o-l pressures in an unaffordable housing market, before the next election, given the effect of taxation on different individuals is impossibly complex to deal with. 

Pray tell, how would you avoid being "useless" if you had a voice in Parliament?
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Reply #28 - May 26th, 2026 at 2:32pm
 
freediver wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 7:59pm:
aquascoot wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 5:38pm:
freediver wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 4:07pm:
aquascoot wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 3:55pm:
freediver wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 3:31pm:
Quote:
These are the sort of yuppies that scream for nett zero but also scream they don't want their petrol rationed.


Do you want petrol rationed?



Im an essential service, both my farm and my business , so they will probably give me an exemption. My wife is an RN so she probably gets one as well.. I am also very happy to commute via motorcycle and have no financial need to make a profit from the farm.   Urban yuppies in love with the renewables are going to reveal their woeful hypocrisy  when they have to catch public transport  Cheesy


An exemption from what?

This is sounding like the sort of mindless liberal party gibberish that is the reason for the Teal's popularity.



Do you think they'll ration farmers and nurses in the same  way as grey nomads and urban public servants ?
Smiley


Who are "they"?

I don't think anyone is going to be rationed. This is just more liberal party gibberish, like climate denialism, the sudden realisation that we need nuclear power, etc etc. No wonder voters are abandoning the liberal party in droves. You can't treat people like morons and expect them to thank you.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 5:59pm:
freediver wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 5:34pm:
The CCP has killed about 100 million of it's own citizens. That's on top of the one child policy. I wouldn't want to be Chinese, but one good thing that came from it is a bit of a reprieve for the climate.


"has killed"...when?


Good question TGD. Happy to inform you about the many and varied evils of the CCP.

Over the course of their reign.


Again, you are displaying lee's Conservative criipled-brain syndrome.

The CCP has been the government since 1949.

This is what google AI says:

The Great Leap Forward (1958–1962): This industrialization and agricultural campaign led to the Great Chinese Famine. It is widely considered the deadliest man-made famine in history, with historians and demographic records estimating between 15 and 55 million deaths due to starvation, forced labor, and violence.The Land Reform Movement (1950–1953): Aimed at seizing land from landlords and redistributing it to peasants, this movement involved mass trials and executions. Estimates of the death toll generally range from several hundred thousand to several million.The Cultural Revolution (1966–1976): Launched by Mao Zedong to purge political rivals and ideological opponents, this period resulted in widespread public struggle sessions, massacres (such as the Guangxi Massacre), and forced suicides. Estimates of those who died during this chaotic decade range from hundreds of thousands to millions

Note the last date mentioned, ie 1976; since then the Chinese miracle beginning with Deng has transformed China from the poorest nation to the 2nd largest economy and largest global trader.

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The CCP likes to alternate between psychopathic killing sprees, and killing even more people with one colossal F-up after another.


Yep:  lee's crippled brain syndrome, sad.

Meanwhile Oz living standards are falling - hence the current political instability...Pauline will save us (!).... while China's prosperity is increasing.

No wonder you are desperate to ignore changes in CCP policies since 1980, since they show the advantages of intellgent government planning cf the free market mayhem in  adversarial-party democraries since theWest's adoption of neoliberal Thatcherite "other peoples' money" economics.

Your choice. 


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Reply #29 - May 26th, 2026 at 2:36pm
 
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The CCP has been the governement since 1949.


True. But they started their killing spree well before then.

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It is widely considered the deadliest man-made famine in history


True. Just one of the CCP's many colossal F-ups.

They killed about 20 million people in their initial efforts to gain power. Then when the Japs invaded in WWII they took a step back so the Japanese could take a turn at raping and pillaging their way across China. Then after the Americans saved China from the Japanese, the CCP started another killing spree, because their enemies had died in huge numbers trying to defend China. The next big one was the Great Chinese Famine. About 50 million dead. Then Mao went on holidays. Then Mao came back and had another killing spree. Then there was covid, which you assure us did not kill many people in China, though you are yet to explain how the CCP accurately monitored covid deaths at the same time as denying it even existed and jailing journalists for talking about it.

The CCP likes to alternate between psychopathic killing sprees, and killing even more people with one colossal F-up after another.

Do you think we should thank the CCP for helping the global environment by removing a billion or so Chinese people from it?
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