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The Collins Class Submarines Upgrades
May 21st, 2026 at 6:09am
 
Planned upgrades to Collins Class submarines scaled back   Huh


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19 May 2026

The Collins Class submarine fleet will need to surface more frequently than nuclear-powered boats.   

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Plans to upgrade Australia's Collins Class submarines to extend their life for a decade are being scaled back.

The submarines will no longer have their diesel engines and generators replaced, unless it is deemed to be absolutely necessary.

What's next?   Sad
The $11 billion upgrades will keep the submarines operating into the 2040s, helping bridge a gap as nuclear-powered submarines start entering service.


A massive program of upgrades to Australia's aging fleet of Collins Class submarines, aimed at keeping them in the water a decade longer, is being scaled back.

The federal government says a plan to replace the diesel engine and generator in each submarine will not be pursued, and instead each submarine will be assessed individually and given the upgrade it requires.

It means that while weapons systems and other critical capabilities will be upgraded, most if not all of the submarines will operate their original engines until retirement in the 2040s.

The first submarine to go into the "life of type extension" process will be HMAS Farncomb in the next few years, the second-oldest submarine in the fleet at 28 years.

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Richard Marles addresses the Lowy Institute about AUKUS in Melbourne. 

In a speech delivered to the Lowy Institute in Melbourne, Defence Minister Richard Marles said the "enhanced sustainment" upgrades were a change that needed to be made.

"This will see a pivot in our approach that reduces risk, upgrades capability and maximises availability for the navy,"  he said.
A secret review carried out by Gloria Valdez, a former US Navy official, is understood to have found the submarines could continue to run for a decade without the engine replacement, and this approach would shorten the time taken to carry out upgrades.

The changes will also see additional resources put into some of the fleet's younger submarines, starting with HMAS Rankin, which is currently undergoing regular full-cycle docking.

HMAS Farncomb is expected to be the most complex upgrade, while younger submarines will require less complex work.

Mr Marles said the changes would ensure the work being done was tailored for each individual submarine.

"We will prioritise sustainment and accelerate upgrades for the fleet's youngest submarines," he said.

"The program will reduce engineering risk by sustaining existing systems where appropriate while continuing to upgrade critical capabilities, including weapons and combat systems.

"It has the transition to our future fleet of conventionally armed, nuclear-powered submarines as a key consideration."

A critical AUKUS step
The Collins Class submarines were originally envisaged to have a life of about 30 years, and HMAS Farncomb would have been retired around now.

Instead, $11 billion will be spent keeping the six submarines operational for 10 years longer than planned, and they will begin being retired in 2040.

HMAS Farncomb and HMAS Collins will both reach retirement age around then, with further submarines to be retired roughly every two years after that.

It is a significant cost upgrade from the original $4-5 billion estimate set aside for the project a few years ago, but the government argues the project was underfunded to begin with.

Federal government signs $2.2b deal to keep Collins submarines running
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The four-year deal hopes to extend the life of Australia's current submarine class, half of which are dealing with corrosion, before they are replaced as part of AUKUS.

Under the AUKUS pathway, Collins Class submarines would operate alongside the Virginia-class nuclear-powered submarines arriving in the 2030s, and the AUKUS-class nuclear-powered submarines arriving in the 2040s.

The government argues the original plan, to replace the engines and generators in each submarine, was closely tied to a dumped plan to acquire French submarines, before AUKUS was agreed on.

The engines that would have gone into the Collins Class submarines would have, under an earlier plan, been identical to those used in the French submarines.

In the speech delivered today, Mr Marles said the new plan delivered everything needed to speed up the upgrades and keep submarines in the water for longer.

"This approach will ensure our Collins class submarines remain a potent and highly capable undersea platform today and for years to come," he said.

Shadow Defence Minister James Paterson said there was a significant amount of detail lacking on exactly what was no longer going to be upgraded in the Collins fleet.

"As is often the case, [Richard Marles] has failed to provide the details transparently to the public," he said.

"Which aspects of upgrades previously planned are now being abandoned? And how much is the Albanese government cutting from the program?"
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Reply #1 - May 21st, 2026 at 6:11am
 
Where's the money coming from?.   Sad
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Reply #2 - May 21st, 2026 at 10:56am
 
whiteknight wrote on May 21st, 2026 at 6:11am:
Where's the money coming from?.   Sad



They print the money.

It gets paid for by inflation.
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Reply #3 - May 21st, 2026 at 12:37pm
 
‘’ The federal government says a plan to replace the diesel engine and generator in each submarine will not be pursued, and instead each submarine will be assessed individually and given the upgrade it requires.’’

I thought that that was the logical way to do maintenance, on the previous class, on which I worked for 9 years, engines and generators were rebuilt when necessary and I never knew of an engine or generator being replaced.
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Reply #4 - May 22nd, 2026 at 11:23am
 
I agree.

By scraping the boats most unsuitable I imagine will create a wealth of spare parts for the boats that are still  sea worthy.

The only issue I see is why has it taken this long for a simple decision to be made?
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Reply #5 - May 23rd, 2026 at 10:31am
 
Scathing Audit of Collins Submarine Program, upended by AUKUS   Sad
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The Australian National Audit Office (ANAO) report today on the Collins Class Submarines Life of Type Extension, shows structural negligence from the major parties and Defence leadership, and another multi billion dollar defence debacle attached to AUKUS. This comes just days after Defence Minister Marles announced that Labor was so confident in this project they were committing $11 billion to it.

The Collins class-submarines are a 1980s design that entered into the Australian Navy in the 1990s, with the six submarines scheduled for retirement in 2026-2036. Successive failures of Liberal and Labor Governments have created the need for an experimental ‘Life of Type Extension’ (LOTE) to keep these submarines operating more than a decade beyond their design life.

This ANAO audit makes clear that LOTE was initially designed to work alongside the French attack submarine contract entered into by the Turnbull Government. This plan went sideways when the Morrison government announced AUKUS with Labor’s backing. Despite this, the LOTE project continued on without change for years and no one in Defence, or the major parties, reassessed it. They kept on pumping money into a program based on a cancelled French submarine project that had been superseded by AUKUS.

The lack of key management artefacts, baseline controls, clear rationales, clear milestones, strict budgets has seen the design contract balloon from $125 million to $813 million since 2022 and has left defence with a failing, half baked plan for the Collins class submarines.

This is a pattern of behaviour that is common in Defence, cheered on by Labor, One Nation and the Liberals. Billions wasted, projects failing and everyone involved walking away with promotions and plaudits.

Senator Shoebridge, Greens spokesperson on Defence, said: “This is what happens when you have a Defence establishment that fails time and time again, and relies on the unquestioning loyalty of Labor, the Coalition and One Nation. It is an expensive cult that thrives off public money and the gravy train of AUKUS.”

“This whole project has been a farce, with Defence signing a half-baked design contract in February 2022 that they have had to amend 53 times since, with the cost spiralling from $125 million to $813 in that time. All to sustain a project that was completely upended by AUKUS.

“Once the Coalition and Labor decided to sink $375 billion on nuclear submarines, with no value for money assessment, no review, no analysis, it was always going to have damaging flow-on effects. It is a pattern of behaviour from Defence, they don't explain what they are doing and are hostile to anyone seeking basic answers about AUKUS or the LOTE.

“No wonder we had Defence Minister Marles out earlier this week trying to cushion the blow of this damning report by announcing the descope. The Minister and the senior defence chiefs knew this audit was coming and have been desperately trying to spin their way out of the mess.

“Defence is now stuck spending billions on experimental plans to keep the ageing Collins submarines in the water long enough for AUKUS to come good. It turns out that neither part of the plan is on track, and the multi billion dollar cost is being borne by the Australian public.

“As usual with Defence no one has been sacked, no one has been demoted and no one held accountable for this multi billion dollar disaster.

“What should make every Australian taxpayer shiver is this is the same organisation that Labor has decided to reward with an extra $53 billion over the next decade."
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Reply #6 - May 28th, 2026 at 1:09am
 
Always knew they were after Bruce for something on the 'inside' ... the sheila was a setup ... nothing proven -= but I did say that every traitor was a trusted employee with access etc...

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/bit-of-a-monster-lehrmann-fights-to-rec...

"Bruce Lehrmann is fighting to retrieve a blue Moleskine diary seized by the anti-corruption watchdog, which he says has been shared without his permission.

He is suing federal Special Minister of State Don Farrell and National Anti-Corruption Commissioner Paul Brereton over allegations of mistreatment.

Anti-corruption officials searched the 31-year-old's home in June 2024 over allegations he misappropriated secret documents related to French submarines five years earlier.

They were searching for sensitive documents on the since-abandoned submarine project Lehrmann was alleged to have stolen from the office of former defence minister Linda Reynolds.

The 31-year-old has denied the allegations and sought assistance from the federal government to cover the legal costs of his defence.

During the search, NACC officials seized two diaries, one red and one blue.

Lawyers for the anti-corruption watchdog say the blue diary may contain security-classified information, in the latest twist in the former staffer's legal proceedings.

Lehrmann wants the diary back, but the government has indicated it may apply to withhold part or all of it based on whether its contents are sensitive or relevant to the lawsuit.

On Wednesday, Lehrmann's lawyer Zali Burrows also said her client was not notified when NACC distributed the diary to the home affairs and defence departments.

"The horse has bolted," she told the Federal Court.

"It's turned into a bit of a monster."

Ms Burrows argued the department overstepped by sharing the diary, and asked for a list of the individuals, departments and agencies who had seen the contents.

"This brings back another issue for consideration as to whether the diaries were obtained ... for a collateral purpose," she said.

But NACC barrister Bora Kaplan SC said the government would not be obliged to give Lehrmann copies of his journal if it contained classified information.

"There is some information in the blue diary that has been marked that way," he said.

He contended Lehrmann had not identified any legitimate forensic purpose for seeking his diaries, which could undermine his subpoena.

The NACC's lawyers have one week to decide whether to apply to withhold the diary's contents because of classified information, or make a bid to set aside parts of the subpoena.

"The ball's in your client's court," Justice Brigitte Markovic told Mr Kaplan.

The case has been set down for a hearing on October 15.

The suit will land on the plate of the yet-to-be-named new NACC commissioner, after the incumbent Paul Brereton on Monday announced he was resigning from the position three years into his five-year term.

Lehrmann is accused of gathering the confidential information on the French submarines in March 2019, days after he allegedly raped his colleague Brittany Higgins in senator Linda Reynolds' office at Parliament House."


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Re: The Collins Class Submarines Upgrades
Reply #7 - May 28th, 2026 at 11:49am
 
whiteknight wrote on May 21st, 2026 at 6:09am:
Planned upgrades to Collins Class submarines scaled back   Huh


ABC News
19 May 2026

The Collins Class submarine fleet will need to surface more frequently than nuclear-powered boats.   

In short:
Plans to upgrade Australia's Collins Class submarines to extend their life for a decade are being scaled back.

The submarines...


What a stupid statement to make and it puts on full display the ignorance of the journalist. Every single diesel-electric submarine in the entire world (not just our Collins class subs) has to surface more frequently than nuclear-powered submarines. It's simple mechanics - they can run on batteries while submerged but need to surface or raise the snorkel to run the diesels to recharge the batteries. Nuclear subs have no such requirement and can remain submerged from the time they depart home port to the time they return if they want to.
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Re: The Collins Class Submarines Upgrades
Reply #8 - Jun 2nd, 2026 at 11:06am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on May 28th, 2026 at 11:49am:
whiteknight wrote on May 21st, 2026 at 6:09am:
Planned upgrades to Collins Class submarines scaled back   Huh


ABC News
19 May 2026

The Collins Class submarine fleet will need to surface more frequently than nuclear-powered boats.   

In short:
Plans to upgrade Australia's Collins Class submarines to extend their life for a decade are being scaled back.

The submarines...


What a stupid statement to make and it puts on full display the ignorance of the journalist. Every single diesel-electric submarine in the entire world (not just our Collins class subs) has to surface more frequently than nuclear-powered submarines. It's simple mechanics - they can run on batteries while submerged but need to surface or raise the snorkel to run the diesels to recharge the batteries. Nuclear subs have no such requirement and can remain submerged from the time they depart home port to the time they return if they want to.

All very true except that there are now no nuclear powered submarines, the so called ‘’Nuclear’’ powered subs main engine is powered by steam generated by heat from the nuclear reactor, therefore they are steam powered, basically the same as the Murray River paddle boats which were wood fired, but were never called’’wood’’ boats, except for the ones delivering firewood.
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