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Re: Unions Increase Minimum Wage Claim To 6%
Reply #90 - May 19th, 2026 at 7:22pm
 
freediver wrote on May 19th, 2026 at 5:21pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 19th, 2026 at 3:14pm:
freediver wrote on May 19th, 2026 at 3:10pm:
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not just easily blaming unions for everything


I am not blaming unions for everything Bobby. Saying that unions cause unemployment is a simple statement of fact. If you think I am saying they cause ALL unemployment, you have misunderstood. Is that what this is about?



Yes - you sound like you're blaming unions for everything.     Undecided


You should focus on what I actually say Bobby, not what it "sounds like".

Unions increase unemployment.



Maybe they do?

What about my other question?

Would it be wrong for a union official to enter a worksite if an unsafe condition was reported?

Can you see any place at all for unions?
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Reply #91 - May 19th, 2026 at 8:00pm
 
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Maybe they do?


You seemed to understand the logic earlier in the thread.

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Would it be wrong for a union official to enter a worksite if an unsafe condition was reported?


It would be unfortunate if he were killed.

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Can you see any place at all for unions?


I can't see it. Doesn't mean it is not there. But all the justification they give for their existence is BS and spin.
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Re: Unions Increase Minimum Wage Claim To 6%
Reply #92 - May 19th, 2026 at 8:20pm
 
freediver wrote on May 19th, 2026 at 8:00pm:
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Maybe they do?


You seemed to understand the logic earlier in the thread.

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Would it be wrong for a union official to enter a worksite if an unsafe condition was reported?


It would be unfortunate if he were killed.

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Can you see any place at all for unions?


I can't see it. Doesn't mean it is not there. But all the justification they give for their existence is BS and spin.



I understand it perfectly.

Unions help to ensure that worksites are safe - they save lives.

Their existence is not  BS and spin -
however their powers have been nobbled by Govts. from both sides - even Labor.  Roll Eyes



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Reply #93 - May 19th, 2026 at 8:29pm
 
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I understand it perfectly.


Are you saying that you agree that unions cause unemployment?
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Re: Unions Increase Minimum Wage Claim To 6%
Reply #94 - May 19th, 2026 at 8:51pm
 
freediver wrote on May 19th, 2026 at 8:29pm:
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I understand it perfectly.


Are you saying that you agree that unions cause unemployment?


They can sometimes.

I want to turn you into a union organizer -
I want you to walk on to a building site and say
with a strong Yorkshire accent -

it's the right of every man to withdraw his labor.
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Reply #95 - May 20th, 2026 at 7:57am
 
Well said Bobby, and it the right of people to join unions.   Smiley
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Reply #96 - May 20th, 2026 at 1:17pm
 
Bobby. wrote on May 19th, 2026 at 8:51pm:
freediver wrote on May 19th, 2026 at 8:29pm:
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I understand it perfectly.


Are you saying that you agree that unions cause unemployment?


They can sometimes.


Why only sometimes? Because they only sometimes manage to get wages increased?

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I want to turn you into a union organizer -
I want you to walk on to a building site and say
with a strong Yorkshire accent -

it's the right of every man to withdraw his labor.


Nothing is stopping them from resigning. That's not what a strike is about. A strike is about being paid for not working and then keeping your job.
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Re: Unions Increase Minimum Wage Claim To 6%
Reply #97 - May 20th, 2026 at 2:04pm
 
freediver wrote on May 20th, 2026 at 1:17pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 19th, 2026 at 8:51pm:
freediver wrote on May 19th, 2026 at 8:29pm:
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I understand it perfectly.


Are you saying that you agree that unions cause unemployment?


They can sometimes.


Why only sometimes? Because they only sometimes manage to get wages increased?

Quote:
I want to turn you into a union organizer -
I want you to walk on to a building site and say
with a strong Yorkshire accent -

it's the right of every man to withdraw his labor.


Nothing is stopping them from resigning. That's not what a strike is about. A strike is about being paid for not working and then keeping your job.


Employees aren't paid when they're on strike.

It's unlawful to do so.


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Re: Unions Increase Minimum Wage Claim To 6%
Reply #98 - May 20th, 2026 at 4:32pm
 
freediver wrote on May 20th, 2026 at 1:17pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 19th, 2026 at 8:51pm:
freediver wrote on May 19th, 2026 at 8:29pm:
Quote:
I understand it perfectly.


Are you saying that you agree that unions cause unemployment?


They can sometimes.


Why only sometimes? Because they only sometimes manage to get wages increased?

Quote:
I want to turn you into a union organizer -
I want you to walk on to a building site and say
with a strong Yorkshire accent -

it's the right of every man to withdraw his labor.


Nothing is stopping them from resigning. That's not what a strike is about. A strike is about being paid for not working and then keeping your job.



Unions get wages increased as part of a fair pay rise -
usually no more than inflation.


Resign? - no -
the workers cannot strike on mass without permission
from the Fair Work Commission.
Who did it?  - The Rudd Govt.  Roll Eyes



Google AI:

The Fair Work Commission (FWC) is Australia’s national workplace relations tribunal and the independent regulator of registered organisations, established by the Fair Work Act 2009.



Key responsibilities and functions include:

Setting Minimum Wages: The FWC reviews and sets the national minimum wage annually and determines minimum wages in modern awards.


Dispute Resolution: It handles claims for unfair dismissal, workplace bullying, and general protections, using processes like conciliation and arbitration to issue binding decisions.


Enterprise Agreements: The Commission reviews, approves, varies, and terminates enterprise agreements negotiated between employers and employees.


Modern Awards: It makes, reviews, and varies modern awards, which outline minimum employment conditions for specific industries and occupations.


Registered Organisations: As the regulator for unions and employer associations, it oversees their registration, amalgamation, cancellation, and financial accountability.

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Reply #99 - May 20th, 2026 at 8:47pm
 
Bobby. wrote on May 20th, 2026 at 4:32pm:
freediver wrote on May 20th, 2026 at 1:17pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 19th, 2026 at 8:51pm:
freediver wrote on May 19th, 2026 at 8:29pm:
Quote:
I understand it perfectly.


Are you saying that you agree that unions cause unemployment?


They can sometimes.


Why only sometimes? Because they only sometimes manage to get wages increased?

Quote:
I want to turn you into a union organizer -
I want you to walk on to a building site and say
with a strong Yorkshire accent -

it's the right of every man to withdraw his labor.


Nothing is stopping them from resigning. That's not what a strike is about. A strike is about being paid for not working and then keeping your job.



Unions get wages increased as part of a fair pay rise -
usually no more than inflation.


Resign? - no -
the workers cannot strike on mass without permission
from the Fair Work Commission.
Who did it?  - The Rudd Govt.  Roll Eyes



Google AI:

The Fair Work Commission (FWC) is Australia’s national workplace relations tribunal and the independent regulator of registered organisations, established by the Fair Work Act 2009.



Key responsibilities and functions include:

Setting Minimum Wages: The FWC reviews and sets the national minimum wage annually and determines minimum wages in modern awards.


Dispute Resolution: It handles claims for unfair dismissal, workplace bullying, and general protections, using processes like conciliation and arbitration to issue binding decisions.


Enterprise Agreements: The Commission reviews, approves, varies, and terminates enterprise agreements negotiated between employers and employees.


Modern Awards: It makes, reviews, and varies modern awards, which outline minimum employment conditions for specific industries and occupations.


Registered Organisations: As the regulator for unions and employer associations, it oversees their registration, amalgamation, cancellation, and financial accountability.



You didn't answer the question Bobby. Why do unions "only sometimes" cause unemployment? Are you trying to say that whether they cause it depends on whether their actions are fair?
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Re: Unions Increase Minimum Wage Claim To 6%
Reply #100 - Yesterday at 11:08am
 
freediver wrote on May 20th, 2026 at 8:47pm:
You didn't answer the question Bobby. Why do unions "only sometimes" cause unemployment?
Are you trying to say that whether they cause it depends on whether their actions are fair?



Sometimes their actions cause bosses to retrench staff
in order to reduce wages.

It's standard practice in business now to retrench 10% of your staff every year -
that includes:

under performing staff,
staff who take too many smoko breaks,
staff who don't like working free overtime,
staff who complain too much,
staff who are looking a bit old and tired,
females who get so fat that people can't stand looking at them,
staff who smell or who fart all the time.

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Reply #101 - Yesterday at 11:30am
 
You still haven't answered the question Bobby.

Why do unions "only sometimes" cause unemployment?
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Reply #102 - Yesterday at 12:37pm
 
And so it came to pass ..

The inflationary Dragon menaced the people once more.

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Re: Unions Increase Minimum Wage Claim To 6%
Reply #103 - Yesterday at 5:14pm
 
freediver wrote Yesterday at 11:30am:
You still haven't answered the question Bobby.

Why do unions "only sometimes" cause unemployment?



Because their actions don't always cause unemployment.

You seem to live in a black or white reality -

never a grey area.    Undecided
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Re: Unions Increase Minimum Wage Claim To 6%
Reply #104 - Yesterday at 5:36pm
 
Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 5:14pm:
freediver wrote Yesterday at 11:30am:
You still haven't answered the question Bobby.

Why do unions "only sometimes" cause unemployment?



Because their actions don't always cause unemployment.

You seem to live in a black or white reality -

never a grey area.    Undecided


Is it just more union-style spin doctoring that has no real substance or meaning?
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