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Reply #45 - Yesterday at 4:09pm
 
freediver wrote Yesterday at 3:50pm:
whiteknight wrote on May 16th, 2026 at 1:35pm:
Unions see workers get a fair go.  Not in a union?.  Then you are out in the woods on your own.   Sad


Unions take you hard earned money, and in return, they just might take your job. They spend all your money on frantically telling everyone how wonderful they are and taking credit for the sun coming up in the morning. You are better off on your own. It's like having two Labor governments in power.



Dear FD,
many blessings.

The Unions have had most of their power taken away by Govts. of both sides.
They can no longer strike without permission -
or they suffer draconian punishments.

That's why they can't do much really.   Embarrassed
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Reply #46 - Yesterday at 7:27pm
 
Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 4:09pm:
freediver wrote Yesterday at 3:50pm:
whiteknight wrote on May 16th, 2026 at 1:35pm:
Unions see workers get a fair go.  Not in a union?.  Then you are out in the woods on your own.   Sad


Unions take you hard earned money, and in return, they just might take your job. They spend all your money on frantically telling everyone how wonderful they are and taking credit for the sun coming up in the morning. You are better off on your own. It's like having two Labor governments in power.



Dear FD,
many blessings.

The Unions have had most of their power taken away by Govts. of both sides.
They can no longer strike without permission -
or they suffer draconian punishments.

That's why they can't do much really.   Embarrassed


Also, their membership is declining. Less income. Less political support. Less chance of a strike being successful. People value the right to work and reject the unions right to threaten workers with violence, call them scabs etc. They don't want to pay the unions to take their jobs away.

The unions wanted to be standover thugs who create a privileged elite who had well paying union jobs at the expense of everyone else who was denied a job. They were rightly told to f off.
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Re: Unions Increase Minimum Wage Claim To 6%
Reply #47 - Yesterday at 7:32pm
 
freediver wrote Yesterday at 7:27pm:
Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 4:09pm:
freediver wrote Yesterday at 3:50pm:
whiteknight wrote on May 16th, 2026 at 1:35pm:
Unions see workers get a fair go.  Not in a union?.  Then you are out in the woods on your own.   Sad


Unions take you hard earned money, and in return, they just might take your job. They spend all your money on frantically telling everyone how wonderful they are and taking credit for the sun coming up in the morning. You are better off on your own. It's like having two Labor governments in power.



Dear FD,
many blessings.

The Unions have had most of their power taken away by Govts. of both sides.
They can no longer strike without permission -
or they suffer draconian punishments.

That's why they can't do much really.   Embarrassed


Also, their membership is declining.


Trade union membership in Australia is increasing, marking its first growth in over a decade. Total union membership grew significantly to 1.6 million, pushing national union density up from 12.5% to 13.1%. This upswing is primarily driven by young workers and the tangible benefits of collective bargaining agreements.

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Reply #48 - Yesterday at 7:44pm
 
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Trade union membership in Australia is increasing, marking its first growth in over a decade.


Going down in 9 out of (more than) 10 years is not increasing Greg. Unless you are a union spin doctor using members money to come up with creative ways to make unions look useful.

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/labour/earnings-and-working-conditions/trade-union-membership/latest-release

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Reply #49 - Yesterday at 7:45pm
 
freediver wrote Yesterday at 7:44pm:
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Trade union membership in Australia is increasing, marking its first growth in over a decade.


Going down in 9 out of (more than) 10 years is not increasing Greg. Unless you are a union spin doctor use members money to come up with creative ways to make unions look useful.

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/labour/earnings-and-working-conditions/trade-union-membership/latest-release



English - do you read it?

Trade union membership in Australia is increasing, marking its first growth in over a decade. Total union membership grew significantly to 1.6 million, pushing national union density up from 12.5% to 13.1%. This upswing is primarily driven by young workers and the tangible benefits of collective bargaining agreements.

New figures show union membership grew substantially – by almost 200,000 members – from 2022 to 2024, powered by growth among young workers. This is a 12.5 per cent increase.
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Reply #50 - Yesterday at 7:46pm
 
They say a picture can speak a thousand words Greg.

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Reply #51 - Yesterday at 7:47pm
 
freediver wrote Yesterday at 7:46pm:
They say a picture can speak a thousand words Greg.


They say 2024 is more recent than 2022.

Trade union membership in Australia is increasing, marking its first growth in over a decade. Total union membership grew significantly to 1.6 million, pushing national union density up from 12.5% to 13.1%. This upswing is primarily driven by young workers and the tangible benefits of collective bargaining agreements.

New figures show union membership grew substantially – by almost 200,000 members – from 2022 to 2024, powered by growth among young workers. This is a 12.5 per cent increase.
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Reply #52 - Yesterday at 7:49pm
 
Yes Greg. I can read. That is an interesting way to spin it, don't you think? How many hard work Aussie's membership dues do you think were frittered away coming up with that little bit of spin doctoring?

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Re: Unions Increase Minimum Wage Claim To 6%
Reply #53 - Yesterday at 7:50pm
 
freediver wrote Yesterday at 7:27pm:
Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 4:09pm:
freediver wrote Yesterday at 3:50pm:
whiteknight wrote on May 16th, 2026 at 1:35pm:
Unions see workers get a fair go.  Not in a union?.  Then you are out in the woods on your own.   Sad


Unions take you hard earned money, and in return, they just might take your job. They spend all your money on frantically telling everyone how wonderful they are and taking credit for the sun coming up in the morning. You are better off on your own. It's like having two Labor governments in power.



Dear FD,
many blessings.

The Unions have had most of their power taken away by Govts. of both sides.
They can no longer strike without permission -
or they suffer draconian punishments.

That's why they can't do much really.   Embarrassed


Also, their membership is declining. Less income. Less political support. Less chance of a strike being successful. People value the right to work and reject the unions right to threaten workers with violence, call them scabs etc. They don't want to pay the unions to take their jobs away.

The unions wanted to be standover thugs who create a privileged elite who had well paying union jobs at the expense of everyone else who was denied a job. They were rightly told to f off.



But it used to be that it was the right of every man to withdraw his labor.

By the way - did you know that Hitler abolished unions?
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Reply #54 - Yesterday at 7:50pm
 

Stop living in the past, FD.

February 27, 2025

Union membership now stands at 1.58 million, up from 1.4 million, based on ABS data showing the biggest increase in union membership since the ABS collected this data.

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Reply #55 - Yesterday at 7:52pm
 
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But it used to be that it was the right of every man to withdraw his labor.


It still is Bobby. Absolutely. No man is a slave.

All that has changed is the right for union thugs to break your legs for turning up to work when they think you should be at home joining their effort to send your boss broke.
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Reply #56 - Yesterday at 7:53pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 7:50pm:
Stop living in the past, FD.

February 27, 2025

Union membership now stands at 1.58 million, up from 1.4 million, based on ABS data showing the biggest increase in union membership since the ABS collected this data.



Are you on the union payroll Greg? Or just drinking the koolaid? You have to be particularly dedicated to self delusion to attempt to portray membership trends as anything but a disaster for the union movement.

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Reply #57 - Yesterday at 7:55pm
 
freediver wrote Yesterday at 7:53pm:
greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 7:50pm:
Stop living in the past, FD.

February 27, 2025

Union membership now stands at 1.58 million, up from 1.4 million, based on ABS data showing the biggest increase in union membership since the ABS collected this data.



Are you on the union payroll Greg? Or just drinking the koolaid?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/union-membership.png


Does 2025 come after 2022?

I'm curious.
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Reply #58 - Yesterday at 7:58pm
 
freediver wrote Yesterday at 7:52pm:
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But it used to be that it was the right of every man to withdraw his labor.


It still is Bobby. Absolutely. No man is a slave.

All that has changed is the right for union thugs to break your legs for turning up to work when they think you should be at home joining their effort to send your boss broke.



No - it's illegal to go on strike without permission.



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In Victoria, Australia, it is not illegal to go on strike without permission if the action is classified as protected industrial action.  Under the Fair Work Act 2009, employees are legally entitled to engage in strikes to bargain for a new enterprise agreement, provided they have followed specific procedural steps such as holding a successful secret ballot and giving proper notice to their employer.

However, strikes that do not meet these legal criteria are considered unprotected industrial action and are effectively unlawful.  Key restrictions include:

Timing: Protected action cannot be taken before the nominal expiry date of an existing enterprise agreement.
Ballot Requirement: The strike must be authorized by a protected action ballot order from the Fair Work Commission.
Purpose: The action must be related to bargaining for an agreement; strikes over general grievances unrelated to enterprise bargaining are not protected.

If employees engage in unprotected industrial action without permission or proper procedure,
they may face serious consequences, including dismissal, disciplinary action, or personal fines.
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Reply #59 - Yesterday at 8:03pm
 
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No - it's illegal to go on strike without permission
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You are still allowed to withdraw your labour Bobby. It's called resigning.
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