Australian Politics Forum - Unions Increase Minimum Wage Claim To 6%

freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53024 At my desk.	Re: Unions Increase Minimum Wage Claim To 6% Reply #30 - Yesterday at 9:55am Quote: However those jobs were still available with ASML in the Netherlands so some employees may have left Philips and got a job at AMSL. So how many jobs were destroyed?
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whiteknight Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9213 melbourne Gender:	Re: Unions Increase Minimum Wage Claim To 6% Reply #31 - Yesterday at 10:28am How many jobs have been created because of union. Now before you answer have a think.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53024 At my desk.	Re: Unions Increase Minimum Wage Claim To 6% Reply #32 - Yesterday at 11:29am whiteknight wrote Yesterday at 10:28am: How many jobs have been created because of union. Now before you answer have a think. Zero. Unions destroy jobs.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20749 Gender:	Re: Unions Increase Minimum Wage Claim To 6% Reply #33 - Yesterday at 1:06pm whiteknight wrote Yesterday at 10:28am: How many jobs have been created because of union. only those employed by the union.
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whiteknight Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9213 melbourne Gender:	Re: Unions Increase Minimum Wage Claim To 6% Reply #34 - Yesterday at 1:24pm Yet here is something to think about. Unions help improve peoples wages and conditions. Now remember less money that people have means less spending power. More spending power means consumers can afford to buy more. So yes unions help create jobs.
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Reply #35 - Yesterday at 1:29pm

whiteknight wrote Yesterday at 1:24pm:

Now remember less money that people have means less spending power. More spending power means consumers can afford to buy more.

And more spending power means the cost of goods those workers make, goes up. Workers don't work in a vacuum. That decreases the profit, that puts prices up. Roll Eyes

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Reply #36 - Yesterday at 1:29pm

whiteknight wrote Yesterday at 1:24pm:

Yet here is something to think about. Unions help improve peoples wages and conditions. Now remember less money that people have means less spending power. More spending power means consumers can afford to buy more. So yes unions help create jobs.

It doesn't work like that WK. If it did, the government would magically create jobs by insisting everyone gets paid a million dollars a year, which they then spend, creating ever more jobs. This is the sort of magical thinking that union mentality is built on. It is also why union membership has been steadily declining for decades, as people wise up to their mindless BS. At the end of the day, you can't eat money. Our wealth is the consequence of the work we do, not the numbers in our bank account.

Unions destroy jobs. The jobs that they destroy in turn destroy other jobs by undermining the economy as a whole.

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whiteknight Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9213 melbourne Gender:	Re: Unions Increase Minimum Wage Claim To 6% Reply #37 - Yesterday at 1:35pm Unions see workers get a fair go. Not in a union?. Then you are out in the woods on your own.
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Reply #38 - Yesterday at 1:47pm

freediver wrote Yesterday at 9:55am:

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However those jobs were still available with ASML in the Netherlands
so some employees may have left Philips and got a job at ASML.

So how many jobs were destroyed?

I don't know.
ASML is also a special case.
Jobs lost at Philips here went overseas along with the factory.
240 Aussies lost their jobs here at Philips.

( Clarinda road Clayton, Victoria)

What about what I wrote?

Reply #10 - Yesterday at 8:02pm
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We had two IT specialists and they both left due to stress -
the company hired one person to replace both of them -
he ended up working late every night
and often on the weekends - all free overtime for the company -
but he had a wife, kids to support and a mortgage to pay -
so he didn't complain.

Is it fair that many people work unpaid overtime?
Also he was doing the job of 2 people so one person didn't get a job as a result.
As part of "staff" he wasn't in a union. Roll Eyes

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20749 Gender:	Re: Unions Increase Minimum Wage Claim To 6% Reply #39 - Yesterday at 2:07pm Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 1:47pm: Is it fair that many people work unpaid overtime? No. But he has the opportunity to go to the employers and say "I am working long hours of overtime, it is not sustainable. I need another worker, I need a home life." Or he can quietly look for another job.
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Reply #40 - Yesterday at 2:12pm

lee wrote Yesterday at 2:07pm:

Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 1:47pm:

Is it fair that many people work unpaid overtime?

No. But he has the opportunity to go to the employers and say "I am working long hours of overtime, it is not sustainable. I need another worker, I need a home life."

Or he can quietly look for another job.

That is not always possible - jobs don't grow on trees.

Also - I know at job interviews I was often told -
"this job is for "staff" who don't join unions -
you could be expected to work longer hours sometimes for no extra pay -
is that OK? "

What did you say when you're desperate for a job?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20749 Gender:	Re: Unions Increase Minimum Wage Claim To 6% Reply #41 - Yesterday at 2:29pm Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 2:12pm: What did you say when you're desperate for a job? You tell them your views, if they don't hire based on what you say, you keep looking. Don't forget you still have the other job in the interim.
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whiteknight Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9213 melbourne Gender:	Re: Unions Increase Minimum Wage Claim To 6% Reply #42 - Yesterday at 3:23pm Why should people work unpaid overtime. Also if its overtime, what about the penalty rates?.
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