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Reply #105 - May 21^st, 2026 at 5:41pm

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2026 at 5:36pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 21^st, 2026 at 5:14pm:

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2026 at 11:30am:

You still haven't answered the question Bobby.

Why do unions "only sometimes" cause unemployment?

Because their actions don't always cause unemployment.

You seem to live in a black or white reality -

never a grey area. Undecided

Is it just more union-style spin doctoring that has no real substance or meaning?

I think you need to listen to Pecca:

Reply #67 - May 18th, 2026 at 6:45pm
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How about viewing them as the people who established
the 8-hour day, universal superannuation, penalty rates,
meal breaks, and mandated leave entitlements.

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Reply #106 - May 21^st, 2026 at 5:45pm

Bobby. wrote on May 21^st, 2026 at 5:41pm:

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2026 at 5:36pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 21^st, 2026 at 5:14pm:

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2026 at 11:30am:

You still haven't answered the question Bobby.

Why do unions "only sometimes" cause unemployment?

Because their actions don't always cause unemployment.

You seem to live in a black or white reality -

never a grey area. Undecided

Is it just more union-style spin doctoring that has no real substance or meaning?

I think you need to listen to Pecca:

Reply #67 - May 18th, 2026 at 6:45pm
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How about viewing them as the people who established
the 8-hour day, universal superannuation, penalty rates,
meal breaks, and mandated leave entitlements.

LOL. And they make the sun come up in the morning.

Did you understand what you were saying when you insisted they "only sometimes" cause unemployment, or were you just parroting something you heard or read?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20776 Gender:	Re: Unions Increase Minimum Wage Claim To 6% Reply #107 - May 21^st, 2026 at 5:45pm Bobby. wrote on May 21^st, 2026 at 5:41pm: Reply #67 - May 18th, 2026 at 6:45pm Quote: How about viewing them as the people who established the 8-hour day, universal superannuation, penalty rates, meal breaks, and mandated leave entitlements. Those people are gone. What is the new generation doing?
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Reply #108 - May 21^st, 2026 at 5:48pm

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2026 at 5:45pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 21^st, 2026 at 5:41pm:

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2026 at 5:36pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 21^st, 2026 at 5:14pm:

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2026 at 11:30am:

You still haven't answered the question Bobby.

Why do unions "only sometimes" cause unemployment?

Because their actions don't always cause unemployment.

You seem to live in a black or white reality -

never a grey area. Undecided

Is it just more union-style spin doctoring that has no real substance or meaning?

I think you need to listen to Pecca:

Reply #67 - May 18th, 2026 at 6:45pm
Quote:

How about viewing them as the people who established
the 8-hour day, universal superannuation, penalty rates,
meal breaks, and mandated leave entitlements.

LOL. And they make the sun come up in the morning.

Did you understand what you were saying when you insisted they "only sometimes" cause unemployment, or were you just parroting something you heard or read?

I was speaking from my own heart.

As people wind their weary way to work they know that
at least something or someone is on their side somewhere -
maybe a union official they can phone up when they have reached the depths of despair?

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Re: Unions Increase Minimum Wage Claim To 6%
Reply #109 - May 21^st, 2026 at 5:49pm

lee wrote on May 21^st, 2026 at 5:45pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 21^st, 2026 at 5:41pm:

Reply #67 - May 18th, 2026 at 6:45pm
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How about viewing them as the people who established
the 8-hour day, universal superannuation, penalty rates,
meal breaks, and mandated leave entitlements.

Those people are gone. What is the new generation doing?

They are following in the footsteps of their ancestors -
upholding workers rights.

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Reply #110 - May 21^st, 2026 at 8:08pm

Bobby. wrote on May 21^st, 2026 at 5:48pm:

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2026 at 5:45pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 21^st, 2026 at 5:41pm:

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2026 at 5:36pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 21^st, 2026 at 5:14pm:

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2026 at 11:30am:

You still haven't answered the question Bobby.

Why do unions "only sometimes" cause unemployment?

Because their actions don't always cause unemployment.

You seem to live in a black or white reality -

never a grey area. Undecided

Is it just more union-style spin doctoring that has no real substance or meaning?

I think you need to listen to Pecca:

Reply #67 - May 18th, 2026 at 6:45pm
Quote:

How about viewing them as the people who established
the 8-hour day, universal superannuation, penalty rates,
meal breaks, and mandated leave entitlements.

LOL. And they make the sun come up in the morning.

Did you understand what you were saying when you insisted they "only sometimes" cause unemployment, or were you just parroting something you heard or read?

I was speaking from my own heart.

What does your heart have to do with it?

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Reply #111 - May 21^st, 2026 at 10:47pm

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2026 at 8:08pm:

What does your heart have to do with it?

You didn't quote my explanation. Undecided

As people wind their weary way to work they know that
at least something or someone is on their side somewhere -
maybe a union official they can phone up when they have reached the depths of despair?

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Reply #112 - Yesterday at 6:55am

That doesn't change the facts about whether unions cause unemployment Bobby. It is just emotional manipulation - the unions' core business. Hate scabs. Hate your boss. Love your 'coworker' as long as they are your equal and pay their dues. Get a warm and fuzzy feeling when you hand over a chunk of your salary to the unions. Ignore the nagging doubt in the back of your mind about whether unions might be doing more harm than good, and whether it might cost you your job one day. Don't think, just feel.

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Reply #113 - Yesterday at 7:02am

freediver wrote Yesterday at 6:55am:

That doesn't change the facts about whether unions cause unemployment Bobby. It is just emotional manipulation - the unions' core business. Hate scabs. Hate your boss. Love your 'coworker' as long as they are your equal and pay their dues. Get a warm and fuzzy feeling when you hand over a chunk of your salary to the unions. Ignore the nagging doubt in the back of your mind about whether unions might be doing more harm than good, and whether it might cost you your job one day. Don't think, just feel.

But who is going to be there for them during the next round of retrenchments for:

under performing staff,
staff who take too many smoko breaks,
staff who don't like working free overtime,
staff who complain too much,
staff who are looking a bit old and tired,
females who get so fat that people can't stand looking at them,
staff who smell or who fart all the time.

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Reply #114 - Yesterday at 7:14am

Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 7:02am:

freediver wrote Yesterday at 6:55am:

That doesn't change the facts about whether unions cause unemployment Bobby. It is just emotional manipulation - the unions' core business. Hate scabs. Hate your boss. Love your 'coworker' as long as they are your equal and pay their dues. Get a warm and fuzzy feeling when you hand over a chunk of your salary to the unions. Ignore the nagging doubt in the back of your mind about whether unions might be doing more harm than good, and whether it might cost you your job one day. Don't think, just feel.

But who is going to be there for them during the next round of retrenchments for:

under performing staff,
staff who take too many smoko breaks,
staff who don't like working free overtime,
staff who complain too much,
staff who are looking a bit old and tired,
females who get so fat that people can't stand looking at them,
staff who smell or who fart all the time.

Not the unions. If they get retrenched, they stop paying their dues. They might even become a scab. They are literally funding the organisation that will kick them when they are down. Sure, they might hold their hand and try to make them feel better - that is the product they paid for. But chances are, the union caused them to lose their job and will cause their inability to find another one.

Bobby, why did you say that unions "only sometimes" cause unemployment? When you say it was something to do with your heart, does that mean you were being irrational and the words have no real meaning, other than to make you feel better?

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Reply #115 - Yesterday at 7:29am

freediver wrote Yesterday at 7:14am:

Not the unions. If they get retrenched, they stop paying their dues. They might even become a scab. They are literally funding the organisation that will kick them when they are down. Sure, they might hold their hand and try to make them feel better - that is the product they paid for. But chances are, the union caused them to lose their job and will cause their inability to find another one.

Bobby, why did you say that unions "only sometimes" cause unemployment? When you say it was something to do with your heart, does that mean you were being irrational and the words have no real meaning, other than to make you feel better?

I am being slightly irrational -
we all want to believe that someone cares about us -
even though maybe no one cares about us at all?

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Reply #116 - Yesterday at 7:44am

Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 7:29am:

freediver wrote Yesterday at 7:14am:

Not the unions. If they get retrenched, they stop paying their dues. They might even become a scab. They are literally funding the organisation that will kick them when they are down. Sure, they might hold their hand and try to make them feel better - that is the product they paid for. But chances are, the union caused them to lose their job and will cause their inability to find another one.

Bobby, why did you say that unions "only sometimes" cause unemployment? When you say it was something to do with your heart, does that mean you were being irrational and the words have no real meaning, other than to make you feel better?

I am being slightly irrational -
we all want to believe that someone cares about us -
even though maybe no one cares about us at all?

You understand that has nothing to do with the facts about unions causing unemployment, right?

You don't have to take your co-workers money off them or go beat up scabs together to show that you care Bobby.

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Reply #117 - Yesterday at 7:55am

freediver wrote Yesterday at 7:44am:

Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 7:29am:

freediver wrote Yesterday at 7:14am:

Not the unions. If they get retrenched, they stop paying their dues. They might even become a scab. They are literally funding the organisation that will kick them when they are down. Sure, they might hold their hand and try to make them feel better - that is the product they paid for. But chances are, the union caused them to lose their job and will cause their inability to find another one.

Bobby, why did you say that unions "only sometimes" cause unemployment? When you say it was something to do with your heart, does that mean you were being irrational and the words have no real meaning, other than to make you feel better?

I am being slightly irrational -
we all want to believe that someone cares about us -
even though maybe no one cares about us at all?

You understand that has nothing to do with the facts about unions causing unemployment, right?

You don't have to take your co-workers money off them or go beat up scabs together to show that you care Bobby.

FD,
I think you're the one getting a bit emotional -
the days are long gone when scabs were beaten up.
Unions have to obey the law now.

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Reply #118 - Yesterday at 8:23am

Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 7:55am:

freediver wrote Yesterday at 7:44am:

Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 7:29am:

freediver wrote Yesterday at 7:14am:

Not the unions. If they get retrenched, they stop paying their dues. They might even become a scab. They are literally funding the organisation that will kick them when they are down. Sure, they might hold their hand and try to make them feel better - that is the product they paid for. But chances are, the union caused them to lose their job and will cause their inability to find another one.

Bobby, why did you say that unions "only sometimes" cause unemployment? When you say it was something to do with your heart, does that mean you were being irrational and the words have no real meaning, other than to make you feel better?

I am being slightly irrational -
we all want to believe that someone cares about us -
even though maybe no one cares about us at all?

You understand that has nothing to do with the facts about unions causing unemployment, right?

You don't have to take your co-workers money off them or go beat up scabs together to show that you care Bobby.

FD,
I think you're the one getting a bit emotional -
the days are long gone when scabs were beaten up.
Unions have to obey the law now.

They always had to obey the law Bobby. They just drank their own koolaid and decided the cause was more important - another reason why the government had to crack down on them.

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Reply #119 - Yesterday at 12:11pm

freediver wrote Yesterday at 8:23am:

Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 7:55am:

FD,
I think you're the one getting a bit emotional -
the days are long gone when scabs were beaten up.
Unions have to obey the law now.

They always had to obey the law Bobby. They just drank their own koolaid and decided the cause was more important - another reason why the government had to crack down on them.

I'm glad you had a little chuckle.

So you now agree that unions obey the law?

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