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Reply #45 - May 15^th, 2026 at 4:20pm

Frank wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 4:14pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 4:08pm:

Frank wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 4:00pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 1:32pm:

I have to say, the title of this topic is simply ludicrous. To even insinuate that Trump is a victim is laughable. Every legal calamity that he's found himself in has been of his own doing and thoroughly deserved.

At this point let us stop and ask a question. Because what happened to Trump came first – the Russian collusion hoax, the attempts to bankrupt, imprison and take him off the ballot, the legacy media-aided raids on Mar-a-Lago, the list goes on for some time. And all of these precursors look to me as though they could broadly be characterised as weaponising the Biden Department of Justice and the intelligence services. Or as systematically violating the rule of law. Or as undermining the institutional integrity of the courts, law enforcement and the civil service.

These ALL happened to Trump first. Hence the question: what is the proper way to respond to grievous wrongs done to oneself? How does one (or ought one to) respond when the other side has tried to imprison and bankrupt you, has spied on your campaign, has lied to the FISA courts, has triggered bogus impeachments that eat up political time and political capital, has knowingly covered up the Hunter laptop truth, has behaved far worse than Richard Nixon did? Do you take it all on the chin and pretend it did not happen? Or do you set out to find and prosecute the people who did this to you?

You can only judge Trump’s domestic actions in his second administration in the light of what was done to him beforehand by the Obama and Biden administrations.

I suppose those classified documents found in a bathroom or whatever it was at Mar-a-Lago were planted by those pesky Dems, right?

Well, they cooked up the Russia hoax, covered up Hunter, lied about the intelligence community, cooked up phoney impeachment and lawfare cases etc, etc- so I wouldn't put anything past them

Literally nothing you just said is in any way, shape or form true. But I’m curious - how would the Democrats sneak in classified documents by the box load into Mar-a-Lago unnoticed???

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Reply #46 - May 15^th, 2026 at 4:21pm

The Federalist heavily covers the "Russia Hoax" (or "Russiagate"), a term it uses to describe the allegations, investigations, and media narratives surrounding Donald Trump’s alleged collusion with Russia during the 2016 election. The publication positions itself as a leading critic of the official investigations, focusing extensively on government overreach, media bias, and legislative pushback.Recent Developments and Coverage2025 Dao Prize Win: The Federalist Staff won the 2025 Dao Prize for Excellence in Investigative Journalism for their multi-year reporting exposing what they describe as a coordinated plot to undermine the Trump presidency through false collusion narratives.Declassified Documents: Editor-in-Chief Mollie Hemingway has led extensive coverage on the significance of recently declassified government documents related to the 2016 Crossfire Hurricane investigation, arguing they prove intelligence agencies lacked verified evidence to spy on the Trump campaign.Legislative Action: The publication has closely tracked political fallout, including reporting on anti-weaponisation measures passing the House Intelligence Committee aimed at establishing accountability for abuses during the initial FBI probe.Core Editorial StanceThe Federalist's coverage centers on several key arguments regarding the Trump-Russia investigations:Intelligence Failures: Emphasising findings from the Durham Report that the FBI launched its investigation without actual, verified evidence of collusion.The Steele Dossier: Pointing to the unverified opposition research dossier compiled by Christopher Steele as the fraudulent foundation used by federal agencies to secure FISA surveillance warrants.Media Complicity: Criticising mainstream media outlets for promoting uncorroborated leak-driven narratives that were ultimately unsupported by the Special Counsel Robert Mueller report.

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Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Reply #47 - May 15^th, 2026 at 4:24pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 4:20pm:

Frank wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 4:14pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 4:08pm:

Frank wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 4:00pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 1:32pm:

I have to say, the title of this topic is simply ludicrous. To even insinuate that Trump is a victim is laughable. Every legal calamity that he's found himself in has been of his own doing and thoroughly deserved.

At this point let us stop and ask a question. Because what happened to Trump came first – the Russian collusion hoax, the attempts to bankrupt, imprison and take him off the ballot, the legacy media-aided raids on Mar-a-Lago, the list goes on for some time. And all of these precursors look to me as though they could broadly be characterised as weaponising the Biden Department of Justice and the intelligence services. Or as systematically violating the rule of law. Or as undermining the institutional integrity of the courts, law enforcement and the civil service.

These ALL happened to Trump first. Hence the question: what is the proper way to respond to grievous wrongs done to oneself? How does one (or ought one to) respond when the other side has tried to imprison and bankrupt you, has spied on your campaign, has lied to the FISA courts, has triggered bogus impeachments that eat up political time and political capital, has knowingly covered up the Hunter laptop truth, has behaved far worse than Richard Nixon did? Do you take it all on the chin and pretend it did not happen? Or do you set out to find and prosecute the people who did this to you?

You can only judge Trump’s domestic actions in his second administration in the light of what was done to him beforehand by the Obama and Biden administrations.

I suppose those classified documents found in a bathroom or whatever it was at Mar-a-Lago were planted by those pesky Dems, right?

Well, they cooked up the Russia hoax, covered up Hunter, lied about the intelligence community, cooked up phoney impeachment and lawfare cases etc, etc- so I wouldn't put anything past them

Literally nothing you just said is in any way, shape or form true.

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Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Reply #49 - May 15^th, 2026 at 5:50pm

Frank wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 5:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 4:24pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 4:20pm:

Literally nothing you just said is in any way, shape or form true.

That's our little Frankie.

Oh, look, we have TWO parrots!

https://media1.tenor.com/m/9HUWcRSesaIAAAAd/parrots-funny.gif

Literally nothing you said was in any way, shape or form true.

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Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Reply #50 - May 15^th, 2026 at 5:53pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 5:50pm:

Frank wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 5:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 4:24pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 4:20pm:

Literally nothing you just said is in any way, shape or form true.

That's our little Frankie.

Oh, look, we have TWO parrots!

https://media1.tenor.com/m/9HUWcRSesaIAAAAd/parrots-funny.gif

Literally nothing you said was in any way, shape or form true.

Nonsense.

It is all very well documented and well known.
Not to lying creeps and TDS kids, but to the sane.

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Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Reply #51 - May 15^th, 2026 at 5:55pm

Frank wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 5:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 5:50pm:

Frank wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 5:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 4:24pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 4:20pm:

Literally nothing you just said is in any way, shape or form true.

That's our little Frankie.

Oh, look, we have TWO parrots!

https://media1.tenor.com/m/9HUWcRSesaIAAAAd/parrots-funny.gif

Literally nothing you said was in any way, shape or form true.

Nonsense.

It is all very well documented and well known.
Not to lying creeps and TDS kids, but to the sane.

And yet you provide no evidence.

No proof.

Just blah blah blah.

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Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Reply #52 - May 15^th, 2026 at 6:00pm

The Durham Report, released in May 2023 by Special Counsel John Durham, concluded that the FBI lacked adequate evidence to launch a full investigation (code-named Crossfire Hurricane) into ties between Donald Trump's 2016 campaign and Russia. It sharply criticized the bureau for double standards and confirmation bias.

Key Findings of the Durham Report:
Lack of Original Predication: Durham found that the FBI opened the investigation too hastily and without proper evidentiary basis, relying heavily on raw, uncorroborated intelligence.
Confirmation Bias: Investigators allegedly ignored or rationalized away exculpatory evidence that contradicted the "Russia collusion" narrative and failed to corroborate claims made in the Steele dossier.

Disparate Treatment: The report highlighted that the FBI quickly gave the Hillary Clinton campaign a defensive briefing regarding foreign interference but failed to provide a similar warning to the Trump campaign.

The Intelligence Letter: In October 2020, 51 former senior intelligence officials signed an open letter stating that the release of the laptop's emails had "all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation".

Republicans and critics assert that the Biden campaign helped organize or promote this letter to discredit the story before the election.

Social Media Censorship: Twitter (now X) and Facebook temporarily restricted the sharing of the initial New York Post story about the laptop. Twitter's then-leadership later admitted blocking the links was a mistake, and conservatives cite these actions as evidence of a coordinated effort by Big Tech and Democrats to suppress politically damaging information.

The "Steele dossier" refers to a 2016 collection of intelligence memos compiled by former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele. Funded initially by political opponents and later by the Hillary Clinton campaign and the DNC, it contained unverified allegations regarding Donald Trump’s ties to Russia.

Hoax and Dem/Twatter/Farcebook collusion politically orchestrated.

Also

Obama’s Weaponized Justice Department
The president’s enforcers are penalizing and jailing executives for normal business activities.

October 30, 2015
https://www.cato.org/commentary/obamas-weaponized-justice-department

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Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Reply #53 - May 16^th, 2026 at 10:46am

greggerypeccary wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 5:55pm:

Frank wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 5:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 5:50pm:

Frank wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 5:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 4:24pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 4:20pm:

Literally nothing you just said is in any way, shape or form true.

That's our little Frankie.

Oh, look, we have TWO parrots!

https://media1.tenor.com/m/9HUWcRSesaIAAAAd/parrots-funny.gif

Literally nothing you said was in any way, shape or form true.

Nonsense.

It is all very well documented and well known.
Not to lying creeps and TDS kids, but to the sane.

And yet you provide no evidence.

No proof.

Just blah blah blah.

Too much evidence has shut you up, lying creep.

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Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Reply #54 - Today at 9:09am

Frank wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 6:00pm:

The Durham Report, released in May 2023 by Special Counsel John Durham, concluded that the FBI lacked adequate evidence to launch a full investigation (code-named Crossfire Hurricane) into ties between Donald Trump's 2016 campaign and Russia. It sharply criticized the bureau for double standards and confirmation bias.

Key Findings of the Durham Report:
Lack of Original Predication: Durham found that the FBI opened the investigation too hastily and without proper evidentiary basis, relying heavily on raw, uncorroborated intelligence.
Confirmation Bias: Investigators allegedly ignored or rationalized away exculpatory evidence that contradicted the "Russia collusion" narrative and failed to corroborate claims made in the Steele dossier.

Disparate Treatment: The report highlighted that the FBI quickly gave the Hillary Clinton campaign a defensive briefing regarding foreign interference but failed to provide a similar warning to the Trump campaign.

The Intelligence Letter: In October 2020, 51 former senior intelligence officials signed an open letter stating that the release of the laptop's emails had "all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation".

Republicans and critics assert that the Biden campaign helped organize or promote this letter to discredit the story before the election.

Social Media Censorship: Twitter (now X) and Facebook temporarily restricted the sharing of the initial New York Post story about the laptop. Twitter's then-leadership later admitted blocking the links was a mistake, and conservatives cite these actions as evidence of a coordinated effort by Big Tech and Democrats to suppress politically damaging information.

The "Steele dossier" refers to a 2016 collection of intelligence memos compiled by former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele. Funded initially by political opponents and later by the Hillary Clinton campaign and the DNC, it contained unverified allegations regarding Donald Trump’s ties to Russia.

Hoax and Dem/Twatter/Farcebook collusion politically orchestrated.

Also

Obama’s Weaponized Justice Department
The president’s enforcers are penalizing and jailing executives for normal business activities.

October 30, 2015
https://www.cato.org/commentary/obamas-weaponized-justice-department

Ever tried getting your info from a source that ISN'T a ultra right-wing conspiracy theory website?

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Reply #55 - Today at 9:19am

Armchair_Politician wrote Today at 9:09am:

Frank wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 6:00pm:

The Durham Report, released in May 2023 by Special Counsel John Durham, concluded that the FBI lacked adequate evidence to launch a full investigation (code-named Crossfire Hurricane) into ties between Donald Trump's 2016 campaign and Russia. It sharply criticized the bureau for double standards and confirmation bias.

Key Findings of the Durham Report:
Lack of Original Predication: Durham found that the FBI opened the investigation too hastily and without proper evidentiary basis, relying heavily on raw, uncorroborated intelligence.
Confirmation Bias: Investigators allegedly ignored or rationalized away exculpatory evidence that contradicted the "Russia collusion" narrative and failed to corroborate claims made in the Steele dossier.

Disparate Treatment: The report highlighted that the FBI quickly gave the Hillary Clinton campaign a defensive briefing regarding foreign interference but failed to provide a similar warning to the Trump campaign.

The Intelligence Letter: In October 2020, 51 former senior intelligence officials signed an open letter stating that the release of the laptop's emails had "all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation".

Republicans and critics assert that the Biden campaign helped organize or promote this letter to discredit the story before the election.

Social Media Censorship: Twitter (now X) and Facebook temporarily restricted the sharing of the initial New York Post story about the laptop. Twitter's then-leadership later admitted blocking the links was a mistake, and conservatives cite these actions as evidence of a coordinated effort by Big Tech and Democrats to suppress politically damaging information.

The "Steele dossier" refers to a 2016 collection of intelligence memos compiled by former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele. Funded initially by political opponents and later by the Hillary Clinton campaign and the DNC, it contained unverified allegations regarding Donald Trump’s ties to Russia.

Hoax and Dem/Twatter/Farcebook collusion politically orchestrated.

Also

Obama’s Weaponized Justice Department
The president’s enforcers are penalizing and jailing executives for normal business activities.

October 30, 2015
https://www.cato.org/commentary/obamas-weaponized-justice-department

Ever tried getting your info from a source that ISN'T a ultra right-wing conspiracy theory website?

Don't be ridiculous. "Ultra"! Cheesy

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Reply #56 - Today at 10:23am

Frank wrote on May 16^th, 2026 at 10:46am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 5:55pm:

Frank wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 5:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 5:50pm:

Frank wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 5:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 4:24pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 4:20pm:

Literally nothing you just said is in any way, shape or form true.

That's our little Frankie.

Oh, look, we have TWO parrots!

https://media1.tenor.com/m/9HUWcRSesaIAAAAd/parrots-funny.gif

Literally nothing you said was in any way, shape or form true.

Nonsense.

It is all very well documented and well known.
Not to lying creeps and TDS kids, but to the sane.

And yet you provide no evidence.

No proof.

Just blah blah blah.

Too much evidence has shut you up, lying creep.

You've provided zero evidence, as usual.

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Reply #57 - Today at 3:24pm

Trump spent his Sunday afternoon on Truth Social posting AI images of himself commanding a space station and pressing a giant red button as mushroom clouds rose over Ireland and Ukraine. He posted it twice. The second time he added "SPACE FORCE" over it. He also posted himself walking alongside a naked alien at a military base.
It did not stop there. Trump posted an AI video of a golf ball striking Senator Bill Cassidy in the head, celebrating the man's primary loss. He posted Obama, Biden, and Pelosi swimming in a sewage-filled reflecting pool. He posted California Governor Gavin Newsom as a zombie in a padded cell.

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Reply #58 - Today at 3:31pm

Sprintcyclist wrote Today at 3:24pm:

Trump spent his Sunday afternoon on Truth Social posting AI images of himself commanding a space station and pressing a giant red button as mushroom clouds rose over Ireland and Ukraine. He posted it twice. The second time he added "SPACE FORCE" over it. He also posted himself walking alongside a naked alien at a military base.
It did not stop there. Trump posted an AI video of a golf ball striking Senator Bill Cassidy in the head, celebrating the man's primary loss. He posted Obama, Biden, and Pelosi swimming in a sewage-filled reflecting pool. He posted California Governor Gavin Newsom as a zombie in a padded cell.

Are all the nursing homes in Florida full? Undecided

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Reply #59 - Today at 3:47pm

Report: Hillary Clinton Tried To Prove Trump Was Colluding With Russians By Colluding With Russians

Speaking from her home in New York because there has been no valid reason for her to reside in D.C. for the past five years, Clinton celebrated her efforts to prove that Donald Trump had once talked to a person who was also a Russian.

"I knew I was right about that turncoat, Trump. All it took was a bit of sleuthing on my part, as well as a pinch of collusion with high-level Russians and incidental bribes, promises, back-door handshakes, secret emails, murders, etc." said the former First Lady and Secretary of Email Servers as she stared longingly south toward the nation's capital.

When informed that Igor Danchenko had been arrested for lying about the Steele dossier's incontrovertible connection to her, Hillary Clinton immediately expressed her condolences about Danchenko's unfortunate, fatal accident that would soon occur in his prison cell.

She then asked to be excused so she could make a few phone calls.

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