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Reply #30 - May 15^th, 2026 at 11:40am

Carl D wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 11:30am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 9:55am:

By the way, the only reason Trump dislikes Mueller (I would say he hates him) is because Mueller uncovered Trumps' corruption and illegal behaviour and had he lost the last election, would have likely faced prison or massive fines at the very least.

If only we were living in an alternate timeline where Kamala Harris is US President, the US isn't at war with Iran and Donald Trump is in prison (where he deserves to be).

And, if such a timeline exists I wish we had a way of moving to it.

Try holding your breath until they make Kamala president, it might just work.

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Reply #31 - May 15^th, 2026 at 12:32pm

Leroy wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 11:40am:

Carl D wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 11:30am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 9:55am:

By the way, the only reason Trump dislikes Mueller (I would say he hates him) is because Mueller uncovered Trumps' corruption and illegal behaviour and had he lost the last election, would have likely faced prison or massive fines at the very least.

If only we were living in an alternate timeline where Kamala Harris is US President, the US isn't at war with Iran and Donald Trump is in prison (where he deserves to be).

And, if such a timeline exists I wish we had a way of moving to it.

Try holding your breath until they make Kamala president, it might just work.

Lefties have a lot of trouble dealing with reality

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Reply #32 - May 15^th, 2026 at 1:14pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 9:55am:

Frank wrote on May 13^th, 2026 at 8:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 13^th, 2026 at 6:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 13^th, 2026 at 6:32pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 13^th, 2026 at 5:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 13^th, 2026 at 4:38pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 13^th, 2026 at 4:32pm:

... if you want to have a legacy where you are thought of fondly ...

Don't rape women, don't commit felonies, don't start illegal wars, don't steal from kids' cancer charities, don't screw porn starts when your third wife is back home with a newborn baby, and don't tell everyone that you want to bang your own daughter.

When Trump dies - hopefully this year - he will not be remembered fondly by anyone.

Not a single person on the planet will mourn his death.

Out of touch, leftie intellectuals , like yourself will never be remembered fondly

We don't want or need to be.

That's what you fail to understand.

We don't crave fame and fortune.

You are so out of touch it's not funny.

Now, to recap:

Not a single person on the planet will mourn Trump's death. Nobody.

All the women females in his family will be relieved that the raping has stopped, and everyone else will be glad that the biggest monster of the 21st century is rotting away in a shallow grave.

Nobody will miss him.

Nobody.

His death will be celebrated across the globe.

People will literally piss on his grave.

Deformed creeps like you.

Not people.

Get it right.

So you have no problem with Trump celebrating the death of Robert Mueller, a highly decorated US Marine Corps veteran and a highly respected lawyer, prosecutor, and public servant, known for his integrity, non-partisan approach, and straight-arrow reputation throughout his career? We recognise your blatant hypocrisy.

By the way, the only reason Trump dislikes Mueller (I would say he hates him) is because Mueller uncovered Trumps' corruption and illegal behaviour and had he lost the last election, would have likely faced prison or massive fines at the very least.

Didn't 'celebrate ' it. Don't emote, you are not Sad Roo.

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Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Reply #33 - May 15^th, 2026 at 1:15pm

aquascoot wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 12:32pm:

Leroy wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 11:40am:

Carl D wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 11:30am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 9:55am:

By the way, the only reason Trump dislikes Mueller (I would say he hates him) is because Mueller uncovered Trumps' corruption and illegal behaviour and had he lost the last election, would have likely faced prison or massive fines at the very least.

If only we were living in an alternate timeline where Kamala Harris is US President, the US isn't at war with Iran and Donald Trump is in prison (where he deserves to be).

And, if such a timeline exists I wish we had a way of moving to it.

Try holding your breath until they make Kamala president, it might just work.

Lefties have a lot of trouble dealing with reality

Seriously? You're going with THAT for an argument? You have Donald Trump, who still doesn't accept that he lost the 2020 election to Joe Biden fair and square. Not even after filing 62 lawsuits and losing in all 62 of them in a brazen attempt to overturn the election result has Trump admitted that the election was not rigged and that he lost fair and square. He even tried to pressure state legislatures into putting forth fake electors to give him the win. I'm not the one who has trouble dealing with reality - the MAGA cult does.

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Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Reply #34 - May 15^th, 2026 at 1:18pm

Frank wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 1:14pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 9:55am:

Frank wrote on May 13^th, 2026 at 8:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 13^th, 2026 at 6:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 13^th, 2026 at 6:32pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 13^th, 2026 at 5:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 13^th, 2026 at 4:38pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 13^th, 2026 at 4:32pm:

... if you want to have a legacy where you are thought of fondly ...

Don't rape women, don't commit felonies, don't start illegal wars, don't steal from kids' cancer charities, don't screw porn starts when your third wife is back home with a newborn baby, and don't tell everyone that you want to bang your own daughter.

When Trump dies - hopefully this year - he will not be remembered fondly by anyone.

Not a single person on the planet will mourn his death.

Out of touch, leftie intellectuals , like yourself will never be remembered fondly

We don't want or need to be.

That's what you fail to understand.

We don't crave fame and fortune.

You are so out of touch it's not funny.

Now, to recap:

Not a single person on the planet will mourn Trump's death. Nobody.

All the women females in his family will be relieved that the raping has stopped, and everyone else will be glad that the biggest monster of the 21st century is rotting away in a shallow grave.

Nobody will miss him.

Nobody.

His death will be celebrated across the globe.

People will literally piss on his grave.

Deformed creeps like you.

Not people.

Get it right.

So you have no problem with Trump celebrating the death of Robert Mueller, a highly decorated US Marine Corps veteran and a highly respected lawyer, prosecutor, and public servant, known for his integrity, non-partisan approach, and straight-arrow reputation throughout his career? We recognise your blatant hypocrisy.

By the way, the only reason Trump dislikes Mueller (I would say he hates him) is because Mueller uncovered Trumps' corruption and illegal behaviour and had he lost the last election, would have likely faced prison or massive fines at the very least.

Didn't 'celebrate ' it. Don't emote, you are not Sad Roo.

Yeah, you're wrong yet again. He literally did celebrate it: “Good, I’m glad he’s dead!" - Donald J. Trump.

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Reply #35 - May 15^th, 2026 at 1:26pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 1:15pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 12:32pm:

Leroy wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 11:40am:

Carl D wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 11:30am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 9:55am:

By the way, the only reason Trump dislikes Mueller (I would say he hates him) is because Mueller uncovered Trumps' corruption and illegal behaviour and had he lost the last election, would have likely faced prison or massive fines at the very least.

If only we were living in an alternate timeline where Kamala Harris is US President, the US isn't at war with Iran and Donald Trump is in prison (where he deserves to be).

And, if such a timeline exists I wish we had a way of moving to it.

Try holding your breath until they make Kamala president, it might just work.

Lefties have a lot of trouble dealing with reality

Seriously? You're going with THAT for an argument? You have Donald Trump, who still doesn't accept that he lost the 2020 election to Joe Biden fair and square. Not even after filing 62 lawsuits and losing in all 62 of them in a brazen attempt to overturn the election result has Trump admitted that the election was not rigged and that he lost fair and square. He even tried to pressure state legislatures into putting forth fake electors to give him the win. I'm not the one who has trouble dealing with reality - the MAGA cult does.

His legal team admitted that there was no evidence to support their claim that the election was stolen.

Rudy Giuliani: “We’ve got lots of theories. We just don’t have the evidence.”

Jenna Ellis: Trump's former attorney was censured after she admitted that she made "misrepresentations" by publicly claiming the 2020 election was stolen.

Sidney Powell: In a court filing, she acknowledged that the claims she pushed were “perhaps” true, a statement made after she faced a defamation lawsuit from Dominion Voting Systems.

Legal Backtracking: During court hearings in Arizona and Pennsylvania, Trump's lawyers backed away from alleging fraud, admitting that they were not claiming that dead people voted or that computer glitches were part of a deliberate conspiracy.

No Evidence: Despite filing over 60 lawsuits, the legal teams failed to provide credible evidence of widespread fraud to overturn election results.

Internal Admissions: Court filings in a defamation case against Fox News revealed that members of the network and some advisors acknowledged in private that the claims of a stolen election were baseless.

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Reply #36 - May 15^th, 2026 at 1:32pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 1:26pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 1:15pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 12:32pm:

Leroy wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 11:40am:

Carl D wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 11:30am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 9:55am:

By the way, the only reason Trump dislikes Mueller (I would say he hates him) is because Mueller uncovered Trumps' corruption and illegal behaviour and had he lost the last election, would have likely faced prison or massive fines at the very least.

If only we were living in an alternate timeline where Kamala Harris is US President, the US isn't at war with Iran and Donald Trump is in prison (where he deserves to be).

And, if such a timeline exists I wish we had a way of moving to it.

Try holding your breath until they make Kamala president, it might just work.

Lefties have a lot of trouble dealing with reality

Seriously? You're going with THAT for an argument? You have Donald Trump, who still doesn't accept that he lost the 2020 election to Joe Biden fair and square. Not even after filing 62 lawsuits and losing in all 62 of them in a brazen attempt to overturn the election result has Trump admitted that the election was not rigged and that he lost fair and square. He even tried to pressure state legislatures into putting forth fake electors to give him the win. I'm not the one who has trouble dealing with reality - the MAGA cult does.

His legal team admitted that there was no evidence to support their claim that the election was stolen.

Rudy Giuliani: “We’ve got lots of theories. We just don’t have the evidence.”

Jenna Ellis: Trump's former attorney was censured after she admitted that she made "misrepresentations" by publicly claiming the 2020 election was stolen.

Sidney Powell: In a court filing, she acknowledged that the claims she pushed were “perhaps” true, a statement made after she faced a defamation lawsuit from Dominion Voting Systems.

Legal Backtracking: During court hearings in Arizona and Pennsylvania, Trump's lawyers backed away from alleging fraud, admitting that they were not claiming that dead people voted or that computer glitches were part of a deliberate conspiracy.

No Evidence: Despite filing over 60 lawsuits, the legal teams failed to provide credible evidence of widespread fraud to overturn election results.

Internal Admissions: Court filings in a defamation case against Fox News revealed that members of the network and some advisors acknowledged in private that the claims of a stolen election were baseless.

I have to say, the title of this topic is simply ludicrous. To even insinuate that Trump is a victim is laughable. Every legal calamity that he's found himself in has been of his own doing and thoroughly deserved.

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Reply #37 - May 15^th, 2026 at 1:42pm

aquascoot wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 12:32pm:

Leroy wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 11:40am:

Carl D wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 11:30am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 9:55am:

By the way, the only reason Trump dislikes Mueller (I would say he hates him) is because Mueller uncovered Trumps' corruption and illegal behaviour and had he lost the last election, would have likely faced prison or massive fines at the very least.

If only we were living in an alternate timeline where Kamala Harris is US President, the US isn't at war with Iran and Donald Trump is in prison (where he deserves to be).

And, if such a timeline exists I wish we had a way of moving to it.

Try holding your breath until they make Kamala president, it might just work.

Lefties have a lot of trouble dealing with reality

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Reply #38 - May 15^th, 2026 at 2:10pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 1:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 1:26pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 1:15pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 12:32pm:

Leroy wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 11:40am:

Carl D wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 11:30am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 9:55am:

By the way, the only reason Trump dislikes Mueller (I would say he hates him) is because Mueller uncovered Trumps' corruption and illegal behaviour and had he lost the last election, would have likely faced prison or massive fines at the very least.

If only we were living in an alternate timeline where Kamala Harris is US President, the US isn't at war with Iran and Donald Trump is in prison (where he deserves to be).

And, if such a timeline exists I wish we had a way of moving to it.

Try holding your breath until they make Kamala president, it might just work.

Lefties have a lot of trouble dealing with reality

Seriously? You're going with THAT for an argument? You have Donald Trump, who still doesn't accept that he lost the 2020 election to Joe Biden fair and square. Not even after filing 62 lawsuits and losing in all 62 of them in a brazen attempt to overturn the election result has Trump admitted that the election was not rigged and that he lost fair and square. He even tried to pressure state legislatures into putting forth fake electors to give him the win. I'm not the one who has trouble dealing with reality - the MAGA cult does.

His legal team admitted that there was no evidence to support their claim that the election was stolen.

Rudy Giuliani: “We’ve got lots of theories. We just don’t have the evidence.”

Jenna Ellis: Trump's former attorney was censured after she admitted that she made "misrepresentations" by publicly claiming the 2020 election was stolen.

Sidney Powell: In a court filing, she acknowledged that the claims she pushed were “perhaps” true, a statement made after she faced a defamation lawsuit from Dominion Voting Systems.

Legal Backtracking: During court hearings in Arizona and Pennsylvania, Trump's lawyers backed away from alleging fraud, admitting that they were not claiming that dead people voted or that computer glitches were part of a deliberate conspiracy.

No Evidence: Despite filing over 60 lawsuits, the legal teams failed to provide credible evidence of widespread fraud to overturn election results.

Internal Admissions: Court filings in a defamation case against Fox News revealed that members of the network and some advisors acknowledged in private that the claims of a stolen election were baseless.

I have to say, the title of this topic is simply ludicrous. To even insinuate that Trump is a victim is laughable. Every legal calamity that he's found himself in has been of his own doing and thoroughly deserved.

It's his schtick though - he always plays the victim, and now Melania is doing the same thing (remember that ridiculous address she made from the White House?).

These are vile people.

"DARVO" - Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender.

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Reply #39 - May 15^th, 2026 at 4:00pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 1:32pm:

I have to say, the title of this topic is simply ludicrous. To even insinuate that Trump is a victim is laughable. Every legal calamity that he's found himself in has been of his own doing and thoroughly deserved.

At this point let us stop and ask a question. Because what happened to Trump came first – the Russian collusion hoax, the attempts to bankrupt, imprison and take him off the ballot, the legacy media-aided raids on Mar-a-Lago, the list goes on for some time. And all of these precursors look to me as though they could broadly be characterised as weaponising the Biden Department of Justice and the intelligence services. Or as systematically violating the rule of law. Or as undermining the institutional integrity of the courts, law enforcement and the civil service.

These ALL happened to Trump first. Hence the question: what is the proper way to respond to grievous wrongs done to oneself? How does one (or ought one to) respond when the other side has tried to imprison and bankrupt you, has spied on your campaign, has lied to the FISA courts, has triggered bogus impeachments that eat up political time and political capital, has knowingly covered up the Hunter laptop truth, has behaved far worse than Richard Nixon did? Do you take it all on the chin and pretend it did not happen? Or do you set out to find and prosecute the people who did this to you?

You can only judge Trump’s domestic actions in his second administration in the light of what was done to him beforehand by the Obama and Biden administrations.

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Reply #40 - May 15^th, 2026 at 4:08pm

Frank wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 4:00pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 1:32pm:

I have to say, the title of this topic is simply ludicrous. To even insinuate that Trump is a victim is laughable. Every legal calamity that he's found himself in has been of his own doing and thoroughly deserved.

At this point let us stop and ask a question. Because what happened to Trump came first – the Russian collusion hoax, ...

Not a hoax.

It was proven to be true.

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Reply #41 - May 15^th, 2026 at 4:08pm

Frank wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 4:00pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 1:32pm:

I have to say, the title of this topic is simply ludicrous. To even insinuate that Trump is a victim is laughable. Every legal calamity that he's found himself in has been of his own doing and thoroughly deserved.

At this point let us stop and ask a question. Because what happened to Trump came first – the Russian collusion hoax, the attempts to bankrupt, imprison and take him off the ballot, the legacy media-aided raids on Mar-a-Lago, the list goes on for some time. And all of these precursors look to me as though they could broadly be characterised as weaponising the Biden Department of Justice and the intelligence services. Or as systematically violating the rule of law. Or as undermining the institutional integrity of the courts, law enforcement and the civil service.

These ALL happened to Trump first. Hence the question: what is the proper way to respond to grievous wrongs done to oneself? How does one (or ought one to) respond when the other side has tried to imprison and bankrupt you, has spied on your campaign, has lied to the FISA courts, has triggered bogus impeachments that eat up political time and political capital, has knowingly covered up the Hunter laptop truth, has behaved far worse than Richard Nixon did? Do you take it all on the chin and pretend it did not happen? Or do you set out to find and prosecute the people who did this to you?

You can only judge Trump’s domestic actions in his second administration in the light of what was done to him beforehand by the Obama and Biden administrations.

I suppose those classified documents found in a bathroom or whatever it was at Mar-a-Lago were planted by those pesky Dems, right?

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Reply #42 - May 15^th, 2026 at 4:11pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 4:08pm:

Frank wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 4:00pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 1:32pm:

I have to say, the title of this topic is simply ludicrous. To even insinuate that Trump is a victim is laughable. Every legal calamity that he's found himself in has been of his own doing and thoroughly deserved.

At this point let us stop and ask a question. Because what happened to Trump came first – the Russian collusion hoax, ...

Not a hoax.

It was proven to be true.

Sure was! Investigations identified over 100 contacts between Trump campaign officials and Russian-linked individuals. This included: Campaign Chairman Paul Manafort sharing internal polling data with Konstantin Kilimnik, whom the Senate identified as a Russian intelligence officer. A June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower involving Donald Trump Jr., where the campaign expected to receive "dirt" on Clinton from a Russian lawyer. It’s not a conspiracy theory - it’s a fact that Russia interfered with the election and that Trump both benefited from and welcomed it!

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Reply #43 - May 15^th, 2026 at 4:14pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 4:08pm:

Frank wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 4:00pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 1:32pm:

I have to say, the title of this topic is simply ludicrous. To even insinuate that Trump is a victim is laughable. Every legal calamity that he's found himself in has been of his own doing and thoroughly deserved.

At this point let us stop and ask a question. Because what happened to Trump came first – the Russian collusion hoax, the attempts to bankrupt, imprison and take him off the ballot, the legacy media-aided raids on Mar-a-Lago, the list goes on for some time. And all of these precursors look to me as though they could broadly be characterised as weaponising the Biden Department of Justice and the intelligence services. Or as systematically violating the rule of law. Or as undermining the institutional integrity of the courts, law enforcement and the civil service.

These ALL happened to Trump first. Hence the question: what is the proper way to respond to grievous wrongs done to oneself? How does one (or ought one to) respond when the other side has tried to imprison and bankrupt you, has spied on your campaign, has lied to the FISA courts, has triggered bogus impeachments that eat up political time and political capital, has knowingly covered up the Hunter laptop truth, has behaved far worse than Richard Nixon did? Do you take it all on the chin and pretend it did not happen? Or do you set out to find and prosecute the people who did this to you?

You can only judge Trump’s domestic actions in his second administration in the light of what was done to him beforehand by the Obama and Biden administrations.

I suppose those classified documents found in a bathroom or whatever it was at Mar-a-Lago were planted by those pesky Dems, right?

Well, they cooked up the Russia hoax, covered up Hunter, lied about the intelligence community, cooked up phoney impeachment and lawfare cases etc, etc- so I wouldn't put anything past them

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Reply #44 - May 15^th, 2026 at 4:20pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 4:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 4:08pm:

Frank wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 4:00pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15^th, 2026 at 1:32pm:

I have to say, the title of this topic is simply ludicrous. To even insinuate that Trump is a victim is laughable. Every legal calamity that he's found himself in has been of his own doing and thoroughly deserved.

At this point let us stop and ask a question. Because what happened to Trump came first – the Russian collusion hoax, ...

Not a hoax.

It was proven to be true.

Sure was! Investigations identified over 100 contacts between Trump campaign officials and Russian-linked individuals. This included: Campaign Chairman Paul Manafort sharing internal polling data with Konstantin Kilimnik, whom the Senate identified as a Russian intelligence officer. A June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower involving Donald Trump Jr., where the campaign expected to receive "dirt" on Clinton from a Russian lawyer. It’s not a conspiracy theory - it’s a fact that Russia interfered with the election and that Trump both benefited from and welcomed it!

Hoax.
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