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Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
May 13th, 2026 at 12:39pm
 
A very good rebuttal of all the TDS nonsense.  Written by a professor of law at Uni of Qld.

https://quadrant.org.au/news-opinions/america/trump-more-sinned-against-than-sin...

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♦ That under Obama and Biden (both Democrats) the FBI spied on Trump’s presidential campaign, put surveillance on some of Trump’s advisors, lied to a FISA court, fabricated a Russian collusion story to help justify a special counsel that would be used for a Trump impeachment by the House Democrats;

♦ That the Biden administration organised dozens of ex-intelligence higher-ups to announce publicly before the 2020 election that the Hunter Biden laptop story had all the hallmarks of a Russian disinformation campaign – and did so when they all knew, all of them and most relevantly Biden and his senior people – that that was false and that the laptop was real, and we now know that later polling showed the laptop story could easily have shifted the 2020 election outcome, if voters had known it was true;

♦ That as Senator Ted Cruz has just recently made public, Biden’s FBI wiretapped the Trump Chief of Staff Susie Wiles’ phone on a privileged call to her lawyers without the consent or knowledge of either of those parties and then tried to hide this by marking the file ‘prohibited’;

♦ That the Biden administration, with the help of a few Democrat State AGs, brought four ridiculously weak indictments against Trump that threatened to put him jail for hundreds of years – and did this while he was the official opposition candidate in the upcoming presidential election;

♦ Not only that, with the clear support of the Biden administration the New York AG – a woman who ran for the post with the explicit promise to ‘get Trump’ – tried to bankrupt him with a civil suit so risible it was eventually tossed on appeal in the New York state courts. But not before Trump lost at first instance and was fined half a billion dollars.  Remember the basic facts?  Trump gives a value for Mar-a-Logo.  The lending bank sends out assessors and is completely happy with the valuation.  Trump borrows the money and then pays it back early and ahead of time.  A rabidly anti-Trump judge and Letitia James (the above New York AG) build an incoherent case that involved changing all known protocols to posit wrongdoing though all the banks were happy with the loan (and wanted to lend to him again, in fact).  This scheme of theirs also involved the AG and judge valuing Mar-a-Logo at between $18 and $27 million in order to allege some never-before-heard-of and after-the-fact type of fraud against the bank by Trump.  Forbes, by the way, later valued Mar-a-Lago at $650 million

Before Trump won in 2024 the Democrats tried to bankrupt him. They brought four criminal cases against him (two federal, two state) that would have seen him go to jail for six or seven lifetimes.  They attempted to take him off the ballot in numerous states.  The Russia collusion hoax, in my view, was far worse than anything Richard Nixon did as regards Watergate; indeed, it is not even close.  The orchestrated Hunter Biden laptop lies alone may have swung the 2020 election.  And I have not even mentioned the assassination attempts.
And that is without likewise mentioning the behaviour of illegally appointed prosecutor Jack Smith.  Or without me noting that it was Nancy Pelosi who made a fortune from insider-trading on the stock market, not Trump (who is the first President ever to refuse to take his salary).  Or that then President Obama used the IRS to target the Tea Party people.  Or that Hilary Clinton had classified information on her private server and was prima facie patently guilty of a very serious offence.  Yet she was not prosecuted by the Democrats, and when in office the first time Mr Trump thought it better not to prosecute her.


At this point let us stop and ask a question.  Because what happened to Trump came first – the Russian collusion hoax, the attempts to bankrupt, imprison and take him off the ballot, the legacy media-aided raids on Mar-a-Lago, the list goes on for some time.   And all of these precursors look to me as though they could broadly be characterised as weaponising the Biden Department of Justice and the intelligence services.  Or as systematically violating the rule of law.  Or as undermining the institutional integrity of the courts, law enforcement and the civil service.

These ALL happened to Trump first.  Hence the question: what is the proper way to respond to grievous wrongs done to oneself? How does one (or ought one to) respond when the other side has tried to imprison and bankrupt you, has spied on your campaign, has lied to the FISA courts, has triggered bogus impeachments that eat up political time and political capital, has knowingly covered up the Hunter laptop truth, has behaved far worse than Richard Nixon did?  Do you take it all on the chin and pretend it did not happen?  Or do you set out to find and prosecute the people who did this to you?


You can only judge Trump’s domestic actions in his second administration in the light of what was done to him beforehand by the Obama and Biden administrations.
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Reply #1 - May 13th, 2026 at 12:52pm
 

The convicted felon who raped at least one woman, stole money from kids' cancer charities and started an illegal war with Iran is the victim   Grin

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Reply #2 - May 13th, 2026 at 12:54pm
 
This professor of law at some QLD university will now be attacked.
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Fareed Zakaria defined the term as "hatred of President Trump so intense that it impairs people's judgment"
 
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Reply #3 - May 13th, 2026 at 12:58pm
 
A bit more:


Trump campaigned on the immigration issue and then set about doing what he promised on that issue – where myriad other conservative politicians said one thing to win and then did otherwise time after time after time – just as with every issue on which he campaigned.

Some would say doing what you promised fits in pretty well with an expanded, abstract and fluffy notion of the rule of law (which, by the way, is the understanding of the rule of law which Hartwich himself plainly utilises, for good or ill).  Continuing on with his successes, Trump has reduced the federal civil service to below 1966 levels, down some 11.5 percent or, in head-count terms,  350,000 jobs gone.  He has withdrawn from the Net Zero Paris Accords and the whole climate alarmism worldview to ‘drill, baby, drill’ (yea, says I); from the UN Human Rights Council (yea, says I); from the WHO (yea says anyone like me who understands the role it played in the Covid lockdown thuggery); and other conventions and treaties worth leaving.

Next, because of Trump’s willingness to deploy the National Guard the murder rate in the US is now below where it was 125 years ago, remembering that US murder victims are highly disproportionately black and are highly disproportionately murdered by other blacks.  The deficit is much lower than under Biden.  The first-year respective inflation rates favour Trump2.0 big time over Biden.  Trump has fought back hard against the Diversity, Equity and Inclusion divas in the bureaucracy, civil service and universities – with some wins and some rearguard actions by the DEI divas, yes — but compare this to New Zealand and Australian and British conservatives when in office.  Trump has taken on activist judges and fought to turn off the funding tap going to NGOs, the bureaucracies and NPR, the left-leaning public broadcaster, the taxpayer money often having being spent in ways no one can detail or account for.  Trump knows what a woman is (because, yes, he has some expertise on that front, I admit) and so has tackled head-on the transgender lobby.

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My long-expressed view is that the left has captured so many and much of the cultural and educational institutions in the West, and the legacy

media and bureaucracy, that it takes a pugilist with the thickest of skins to fight back.  Yes, Trump can be boorish and crass and self-regarding.  But we buy people wholesale not retail.  The kind of person who can get up after three assassination attempts, after the Left has tried to imprison and bankrupt him, after myriad people who should know better have described him as a latter day Hitler (which indirectly licenses violence against the man, ne c’est pas?), well, that kind of guy may well not be someone everyone would want to have at a refined dinner party – though Trump is reportedly pretty good company and funny. 

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Reply #4 - May 13th, 2026 at 1:29pm
 
Frank wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 12:39pm:
Before Trump won in 2024 the Democrats tried to bankrupt him.


Lol   Grin

Why would they bother trying to do something that he does to himself regulalry?

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Reply #5 - May 13th, 2026 at 1:32pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 1:29pm:
Frank wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 12:39pm:
Before Trump won in 2024 the Democrats tried to bankrupt him.


Lol   Grin

Why would they bother trying to do something that he does to himself regulalry?




Even though he went bankrupt 5 times the banks still lent him money for the 6th time -
and he went bankrupt again.    Grin
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Reply #6 - May 13th, 2026 at 1:56pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 12:52pm:
The convicted felon who raped at least one woman, stole money from kids' cancer charities and started an illegal war with Iran is the victim   Grin



and kidnapped a president of another country, and blocked ships giving humitarian aid to a 3rd country
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Reply #7 - May 13th, 2026 at 2:00pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 1:56pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 12:52pm:
The convicted felon who raped at least one woman, stole money from kids' cancer charities and started an illegal war with Iran is the victim   Grin



and kidnapped a president of another country, and blocked ships giving humitarian aid to a 3rd country


Murdered 150 little school girls in Iran and countless innocent South American fishermen.

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Reply #8 - May 13th, 2026 at 2:03pm
 
Bobby. wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 1:32pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 1:29pm:
Frank wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 12:39pm:
Before Trump won in 2024 the Democrats tried to bankrupt him.


Lol   Grin

Why would they bother trying to do something that he does to himself regulalry?




Even though he went bankrupt 5 times the banks still lent him money for the 6th time -
and he went bankrupt again.    Grin


No US bank will go anywhere near him anymore.

He gets all his capital from Russian oligarchs and Russian organised crime gangs now.
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Reply #9 - May 13th, 2026 at 4:02pm
 
Quote:
the FBI spied on Trump’s presidential campaign, put surveillance on some of Trump’s advisors


When a quote starts like this there is obviously no credibility behind the article.

The FBI properly investigated information from an Australian Liberal politician, the investigation was found to be well predicated by a replublical investigator who would have loved to have found otherwise.

This investigation was unknown to the American public till long after the election - in other words Republican politicians who were in bed with Russians was covered up till well after it could impact the election. At this same time the same FBI investigators were holding their 7th investigation into Hillaries mail server announced in public and allowed / designed to impact her campaign a mere few weeks before the election. Yes the FBI did involve them selves in the election that year and it was in support of Trump not against him.
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Reply #10 - May 13th, 2026 at 4:11pm
 
Bobby. wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 1:32pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 1:29pm:
Frank wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 12:39pm:
Before Trump won in 2024 the Democrats tried to bankrupt him.


Lol   Grin

Why would they bother trying to do something that he does to himself regulalry?




Even though he went bankrupt 5 times the banks still lent him money for the 6th time -
and he went bankrupt again.    Grin


Trump Chapter 11 bankruptcy

The Six Bankruptcies:

1991: Trump Taj Mahal
1992:Trump Plaza
1992: Trump Castle
1992: Plaza Hotel
2004: Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts
2009: Trump Entertainment Resorts
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Reply #11 - May 13th, 2026 at 4:31pm
 
Bobby. wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 1:32pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 1:29pm:
Frank wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 12:39pm:
Before Trump won in 2024 the Democrats tried to bankrupt him.


Lol   Grin

Why would they bother trying to do something that he does to himself regulalry?




Even though he went bankrupt 5 times the banks still lent him money for the 6th time -
and he went bankrupt again.    Grin


No he went to the Russian bank Vnesheconombank (VEB) amoung others to get his loans.

Deutsche Bank also provided loans but the money was from Russia.

He tried to finance the Trump Tower Moscow through  VTB Bank - (another state-owned Russian bank)


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Reply #12 - May 13th, 2026 at 4:32pm
 
The wiley trump understands some things that lefty intellectuals don't.


1. The vast vast majority of people see politicians as a nett negative on their life

So if you want to have a legacy where you are thought of fondly , DO NOT ACT like other politicians .
Donny certainly has that down


2.  Most people apart from leftie intellectuals have virtually no interest in politics and certainly not on policy.
Half of Americans couldn't be bothered voting.

So if you act super confident, keep saying you are winning, exagerate and tell fibs, they won't even notice.
In fact they absorb the porkies like mother's milk .

I think it's a smart move
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Reply #13 - May 13th, 2026 at 4:38pm
 
aquascoot wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 4:32pm:
... if you want to have a legacy where you are thought of fondly ...


Don't rape women, don't commit felonies, don't start illegal wars, don't steal from kids' cancer charities, don't screw porn starts when your third wife is back home with a newborn baby, and don't tell everyone that you want to bang your own daughter.

When Trump dies - hopefully this year - he will not be remembered fondly by anyone.

Not a single person on the planet will mourn his death.
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Reply #14 - May 13th, 2026 at 5:38pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 4:38pm:
aquascoot wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 4:32pm:
... if you want to have a legacy where you are thought of fondly ...


Don't rape women, don't commit felonies, don't start illegal wars, don't steal from kids' cancer charities, don't screw porn starts when your third wife is back home with a newborn baby, and don't tell everyone that you want to bang your own daughter.

When Trump dies - hopefully this year - he will not be remembered fondly by anyone.

Not a single person on the planet will mourn his death.



Out of  touch,  leftie intellectuals , like yourself  will never be remembered fondly  Smiley
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