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Reply #30 - May 14^th, 2026 at 5:41pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 14^th, 2026 at 5:18pm:

Based on developments in early 2026, the EPA under President Trump's appointed administrator, Lee Zeldin, has implemented policies that critics say ignore established scientific consensus in favor of deregulation.

Oh ignored the consensus. Grin

So nothing to do with science then. Consensus is political not scientific. Roll Eyes

But perhaps you can tell us what the specific criticisms were? Wink

Science has always been adversarial.

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Reply #31 - May 14^th, 2026 at 5:44pm

lee wrote on May 14^th, 2026 at 5:41pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 14^th, 2026 at 5:18pm:

Based on developments in early 2026, the EPA under President Trump's appointed administrator, Lee Zeldin, has implemented policies that critics say ignore established scientific consensus in favor of deregulation.

Oh ignored the consensus. Grin

So nothing to do with science then. Consensus is political not scientific. Roll Eyes

But perhaps you can tell us what the specific criticisms were? Wink

Science has always been adversarial.

Scientific consensus is the collective position, judgment, and opinion of the vast majority of active, qualified experts in a specific field. It is established through rigorous peer review, replication of results, and the synthesis of evidence over time, representing the most reliable, evidence-based understanding of a topic rather than a simple majority vote.

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Reply #32 - May 14^th, 2026 at 6:11pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 14^th, 2026 at 5:44pm:

Scientific consensus is the collective position, judgment, and opinion of the vast majority of active, qualified experts in a specific field. It is established through rigorous peer review, replication of results, and the synthesis of evidence over time, representing the most reliable, evidence-based understanding of a topic rather than a simple majority vote.

So consensus rules? What about all those advances in science where scientists refuted the consensus view? Wink

BTW - Science magazine as a repository of consensus opinion wrote a tome for judges entitled "The Reference Manual on Scientific Evidence" This from the home of trhe "experts". Unfortunately for them the "Climate Science"Chapter had to be withdrawn. It claimed things not in evidence, but was part of the AAAS culture. So much for "Climate Science", expert witnesses and all.

But apparently that has certain "climate scientists" in a tizz. Wink

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Reply #33 - May 14^th, 2026 at 9:46pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 12^th, 2026 at 6:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 12^th, 2026 at 4:12pm:

Most of the criminals in Trump's administration are sadistic sociopaths.

I'm willing to give RFK Jr the benefit of the doubt, though - I think his craziness is caused by the brain worms.

I don't think he is a criminal

I think he is unqualified and unsuitable for that position.

He is possibly the least qualified person to ever hold any political position.

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Reply #34 - May 14^th, 2026 at 10:06pm

lee wrote on May 14^th, 2026 at 5:41pm:

Science has always been adversarial.

Is it now, lee? Why is that, lee? Can you explain your ignorant statement, lee? Why not, lee? Do you need to refer to one of your pseudoscience garbage right-wing sites and copy and paste aftermath, lee? Why can't you think for yourself, lee? Do you need help with your antipsychotic medication, lee?

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Reply #36 - Yesterday at 6:04am

Sprintcyclist wrote Yesterday at 3:14am:

lee wrote on May 14^th, 2026 at 5:41pm:

.................... Science has always been adversarial.

I think males are generally adverserial

Science does not possess a trait, it is not human

Both males and females can be adversarial
Males are more openly adversarial.
Females tend to be more subtle but it is just as common.

Usually females use the tactic of reputational attack to get one up on other females

Another word might be gossip.
The tactic is designed to undermine other women in the peck order.
I would be fairly certain that teenage girls " mean girls" behaviour carries over into adulthood

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Reply #37 - Yesterday at 7:15am

lee wrote on May 14^th, 2026 at 6:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 14^th, 2026 at 5:44pm:

Scientific consensus is the collective position, judgment, and opinion of the vast majority of active, qualified experts in a specific field. It is established through rigorous peer review, replication of results, and the synthesis of evidence over time, representing the most reliable, evidence-based understanding of a topic rather than a simple majority vote.

So consensus rules? What about all those advances in science where scientists refuted the consensus view? Wink

BTW - Science magazine as a repository of consensus opinion wrote a tome for judges entitled "The Reference Manual on Scientific Evidence" This from the home of trhe "experts". Unfortunately for them the "Climate Science"Chapter had to be withdrawn. It claimed things not in evidence, but was part of the AAAS culture. So much for "Climate Science", expert witnesses and all.

But apparently that has certain "climate scientists" in a tizz. Wink

You ask if consensus rules. Generally, yes. If the vast majority of scientists say cancer is bad and a minority say cancer is good, then the scientific community is going to go with the consensus of the majority. It’s a no brainer - for most people!

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Reply #38 - Yesterday at 7:16am

Dnarever wrote on May 14^th, 2026 at 9:46pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 12^th, 2026 at 6:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 12^th, 2026 at 4:12pm:

Most of the criminals in Trump's administration are sadistic sociopaths.

I'm willing to give RFK Jr the benefit of the doubt, though - I think his craziness is caused by the brain worms.

I don't think he is a criminal

I think he is unqualified and unsuitable for that position.

He is possibly the least qualified person to ever hold any political position.

To be blunt, he’s a moron.

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Reply #39 - Yesterday at 9:42am

Armchair_Politician wrote Yesterday at 7:16am:

Dnarever wrote on May 14^th, 2026 at 9:46pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 12^th, 2026 at 6:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 12^th, 2026 at 4:12pm:

Most of the criminals in Trump's administration are sadistic sociopaths.

I'm willing to give RFK Jr the benefit of the doubt, though - I think his craziness is caused by the brain worms.

I don't think he is a criminal

I think he is unqualified and unsuitable for that position.

He is possibly the least qualified person to ever hold any political position.

To be blunt, he’s a moron.

The brain worms from eating roadkill certainly haven't helped him.

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Reply #40 - Yesterday at 9:51am

greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 9:42am:

Armchair_Politician wrote Yesterday at 7:16am:

Dnarever wrote on May 14^th, 2026 at 9:46pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 12^th, 2026 at 6:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 12^th, 2026 at 4:12pm:

Most of the criminals in Trump's administration are sadistic sociopaths.

I'm willing to give RFK Jr the benefit of the doubt, though - I think his craziness is caused by the brain worms.

I don't think he is a criminal

I think he is unqualified and unsuitable for that position.

He is possibly the least qualified person to ever hold any political position.

To be blunt, he’s a moron.

The brain worms from eating roadkill certainly haven't helped him.

I am NOT convinced that doctors removed all of the worms inside his brain. My eight year-old can put together a far more coherent sentence than RFK Jr ever has. Listening to him is just painful and incredibly difficult to follow what he is saying.

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Reply #41 - Yesterday at 1:57pm

Marla wrote on May 14^th, 2026 at 10:06pm:

Is it now, lee? Why is that, lee? Can you explain your ignorant statement, lee?

Just for you so you can gain a basic understanding of how science works.

A scientist has a theory, he expounds on that theory, he tries to prove that theory with observations. Other scientists will disagree, that is a given. Now they should be able to put up counterarguments, and no "you are a denier" is not a counterargument. They therefore have opposite opinions, may be not totally but partially. They are therefore in adversarial positions.

Did I make that clear for you?

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Reply #42 - Yesterday at 2:08pm

Armchair_Politician wrote Yesterday at 7:15am:

If the vast majority of scientists say cancer is bad and a minority say cancer is good, then the scientific community is going to go with the consensus of the majority.

Now having made that statement, please show where one scientist has said cancer was good.

But perhaps you can include a single subject like the consensus of climate change which is true. Demonstrably true...ie by observation. Roll Eyes

25 medical consensus that were wrong.

https://imahealth.org/25-times-medical-consensus-had-to-be-rethought/

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Reply #43 - Yesterday at 2:12pm

lee wrote Yesterday at 1:57pm:

Marla wrote on May 14^th, 2026 at 10:06pm:

Is it now, lee? Why is that, lee? Can you explain your ignorant statement, lee?

Just for you so you can gain a basic understanding of how science works.

A scientist has a theory, he expounds on that theory, he tries to prove that theory with observations.

Ah, no.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20740 Gender:	Re: rfk - jr Reply #44 - Yesterday at 2:46pm greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 2:12pm: Ah, no. Ah yes. He tries. Even though science can never be "proven". Or perhaps you would have liked me to use the word "show"? But it was good that you conceded the rest.
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