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Reply #75 - Apr 30th, 2026 at 12:37am
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 30th, 2026 at 12:25am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 29th, 2026 at 3:17am:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 28th, 2026 at 12:50pm:
What about Japanese cars?


The latest Toyotas will cost over $45K to drive out the door.
    Shocked

Everything is so expensive these days.

https://www.carexpert.com.au/toyota/camry/2026-ascent-sport-josmkfgg20260115

Overview

The 2026 Toyota Camry Ascent Sport is a front-wheel drive, 4-door Sedan that was released to the Australian market on 4th January 2026. The Toyota Camry is regarded as a medium Car built in Japan with prices starting at $42,990 before on-road costs.

This Toyota Camry is powered by a 2.5L 4-cylinder engine that has 170 kW of power and 221 Nm of torque via a Variable SP AUTOMATIC transmission. Toyota claims the Camry Ascent Sport uses 4.0L/100km of Premium Unleaded in the combined city and highway cycle while putting out 91g of CO2. It has a 50L fuel tank, meaning it should be able to travel 1250km per full tank.



The camry is a very upmarket car.
The auto is smooth, efficient, quiet and very very reliable, even by Toyota standards.

the entire drive train has been Taxi tested for decades



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Camry gets over 400,000  kms  when used as a taxi:




Top 10 Australian Cars That NEVER Break Down | Most Reliable Aussie Cars Ever





400Kms it'lll just be run in.

Mine has 345,000 kms as a car.
I see little wrong with it. Easily good for 500,000 kms.
That is the reason they are so expensive 2nd hand.

Mine is 20 years old, a newer one is much better designed and built
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Reply #76 - May 1st, 2026 at 10:48am
 
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2026 at 10:00am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 26th, 2026 at 9:43am:
freediver wrote on Apr 26th, 2026 at 8:26am:
Do you think that the influence of communism on a society can disappear overnight because Deng Xiaoping clicks his fingers? For someone who insists that a centuries-old cultural saying is responsible, you are remarkably optimistic about the pace at which a society can change.

Why do you think I keep saying things like China "was" communist, rather than China "is" communist? Some kind of trick?

The economic situations of nearly all former communist Eastern European countries, including East Germany, improved rapidly within a few years once their citizens were re-motivated by profit through personal enterprise.

There is no reason to believe that the Chinese dragged their feet under the rule of Jiang Zemin and Hu Jintao... and there's clear evidence that they took to capitalism almost as quickly as Native Americans did to horseback riding after their reintroduction via the Spanish, triggering their ancient instincts.

In fact, one component of cha bu duo is not the laziness theme, but also the personal profit motive of cutting corners and defrauding people with poorly- and cheaply-made goods for more profit.


So you no longer believe I was claiming that China is still communist?

How long did the influence of communism last in those ex-communist countries?


Meister have you been assuming it must all be attributable to the old saying because the influence of communism on China ceased the minute they let go of communism, but the saying remained?
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Reply #77 - May 7th, 2026 at 6:31pm
 

chinese cars will outsell the useless american made cars within 18 months

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........  The boss of the Detroit automaker described the cost and quality of the electric vehicles coming out of China as "far superior" to those in the West, adding that they posed an existential threat to Ford and the US auto industry.         .......


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Reply #78 - May 7th, 2026 at 7:07pm
 
freediver wrote on May 1st, 2026 at 10:48am:
Meister have you been assuming it must all be attributable to the old saying because the influence of communism on China ceased the minute they let go of communism, but the saying remained?

After the pills kick in, do some quick research on the cultural phenomenon of chabuduo... All Chinese are aware of it.

As for Marxist-Leninist communism in China, it was imposed in 1949 and began to decline after the death of Mao and the rise of Deng Xiaoping. It had vanished completely by the time China was admitted to the WTO in 2001. Given that Chinese culture is about 5000 years old, Chinese communism accounts for just 1% of that time.

The effects of communism in Europe after it collapsed (which had been imposed for roughly the same amount of time) had disappeared within 10 years.


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Reply #79 - May 7th, 2026 at 8:27pm
 
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Reply #80 - May 7th, 2026 at 9:07pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 30th, 2026 at 12:37am:
400Kms it'lll just be run in.

Mine has 345,000 kms as a car.
I see little wrong with it. Easily good for 500,000 kms.
That is the reason they are so expensive 2nd hand.

Mine is 20 years old, a newer one is much better designed and built



That is debatable -
newer cars have much more lousy cheap plastic items
and too much high technology electronics that can fail.
I reckon 20 years ago they made tougher, better cars. 
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Reply #81 - May 7th, 2026 at 10:28pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 27th, 2026 at 12:01pm:
And a lot of the stuff - you don't want and you don't need -
all the electronic gizmos -
I'd rather they spend more money on making the engine and suspension bullet proof.


All that electronic stuff like lane assist auto emergency braking etc are forced on us by government with Australian Design Rules

Cars that are fuel injected (Since 1980s) have durable engines compared to older cars they never run rich which causes fuel to wash oil from the bores and they don't ping which stuffs bearings and pistons.
This is also reflected in oil change duration increasing as fuel isn't contaminating oil with blow by from piston rings.
The older carby/points engines were lucky to last 100,000 km before needing a full rebuild.

Electronic rev limiters also stop idiots damaging engines and GM in the US noticed a huge decrease in warranty claims for diffs and gearboxes when they had traction control which stopped people doing burnouts.

The first Commodore was based on German Opal they broke the prototype in half testing in outback.
German engineers were stunned at how we would drive at 100-110 kph down dirt roads for hours on end.
Might be one reason why those who live in rural areas liked Aussie made cars. Wink
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Reply #82 - May 7th, 2026 at 10:39pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on May 7th, 2026 at 10:28pm:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 27th, 2026 at 12:01pm:
And a lot of the stuff - you don't want and you don't need -
all the electronic gizmos -
I'd rather they spend more money on making the engine and suspension bullet proof.


All that electronic stuff like lane assist auto emergency braking etc are forced on us by government with Australian Design Rules

Cars that are fuel injected (Since 1980s) have durable engines compared to older cars they never run rich which causes fuel to wash oil from the bores and they don't ping which stuffs bearings and pistons.
This is also reflected in oil change duration increasing as fuel isn't contaminating oil with blow by from piston rings.
The older carby/points engines were lucky to last 100,000 km before needing a full rebuild.

Electronic rev limiters also stop idiots damaging engines and GM in the US noticed a huge decrease in warranty claims for diffs and gearboxes when they had traction control which stopped people doing burnouts.

The first Commodore was based on German Opal they broke the prototype in half testing in outback.
German engineers were stunned at how we would drive at 100-110 kph down dirt roads for hours on end.
Might be one reason why those who live in rural areas liked Aussie made cars. Wink



yes - and air bags used to be optional extras but now they are compulsory.

Google AI:

effectively all new cars sold in Australia must have airbags. While airbags are officially classified as "supplementary safety equipment" rather than a standalone mandatory component, the Australian Design Rules (ADRs) require new passenger vehicles to meet strict occupant protection standards that necessitate their inclusion.

Regulatory Mandate: Under the ADRs and Motor Vehicle Standards, new passenger cars and light vehicles supplied since July 1, 2021, must meet comprehensive occupant protection standards.  These standards effectively mandate that frontal airbags (for driver and front passenger) are standard equipment to pass compliance.


Historical Context: Frontal airbags have been required for new models since the late 1990s (specifically following ADR 69/02 introduced in 1995/1999).  By the early 1990s, they had already become standard on most new cars due to regulatory pressure and consumer demand.


Older Vehicles: It is legal to drive older vehicles that were manufactured without airbags, provided they are roadworthy and registered.  There is no requirement to retrofit airbags into cars that did not originally come with them.


Current Standards: Today, most new vehicles in Australia come equipped with multiple airbags (often six or more), including side and curtain airbags, which are increasingly becoming standard or legally required for head protection in many jurisdictions.
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Reply #83 - May 7th, 2026 at 11:04pm
 
ADR 98/00 requires all cars made after March 2025 to have AEB (Automatic Emergency Braking)

ADR 107/00 requires all cars to have lane departure warning and active correction to steer car back into lane.

Government forces car makers to do as they say or cars can't be sold here.

If we wanted a simple reliable car without all this BS it can't happen our politicians don't allow it.
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Reply #84 - May 8th, 2026 at 9:45am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 7th, 2026 at 7:07pm:
As for Marxist-Leninist communism in China, it was imposed in 1949 and began to decline after the death of Mao and the rise of Deng Xiaoping. It had vanished completely by the time China was admitted to the WTO in 2001. Given that Chinese culture is about 5000 years old, Chinese communism accounts for just 1% of that time.



The roots of China’s recurring quality-control problems lie partly in its extremely rapid transition from a rural, craft-and-smallholder economy into mass industrial production.

Maoist industrialisation created heavy industry but not a mature culture of market-tested industrial quality.

Deng’s reforms succeeded in building vast manufacturing capacity, but often under conditions where reliance on slave labour, speed, low cost, subcontracting, and export volume mattered more than durability or long-term brand reputation.

The cultural idea of chabuduo (if it looks good, it is good) survived modernisation, and has severely damaged Chinese manufacturing, particularly where institutions, customers, regulators, and legal liability fail to punish it, and has infected every industry in China, with quality control being the least of Chinese manufacturers' concerns.

Chabuduo: 'If we run out of horses, cut off the antlers, stitch on a mane and a tail, and a deer is now a horse'.

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Reply #85 - May 8th, 2026 at 10:17am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on May 7th, 2026 at 11:04pm:
ADR 98/00 requires all cars made after March 2025 to have AEB (Automatic Emergency Braking)

ADR 107/00 requires all cars to have lane departure warning and active correction to steer car back into lane.

Government forces car makers to do as they say or cars can't be sold here.

If we wanted a simple reliable car without all this BS it can't happen our politicians don't allow it.



I suppose the Govt. is well meaning but I don't believe so many
so called safety features should be forced on to drivers -
some could have negative outcomes too.
Remember the Takata air bags fiasco?   Roll Eyes


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The Takata airbag scandal is the largest automotive safety recall in history, involving approximately 100 million vehicles globally due to defective airbag inflators that can explode and propel sharp metal shrapnel into the vehicle cabin, causing severe injury or death.  Takata Corporation filed for bankruptcy in April 2018 after admitting to data falsification and improper storage of the ammonium nitrate propellant, which becomes unstable and explosive when exposed to heat and humidity over time.
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Reply #86 - May 8th, 2026 at 10:40am
 
Bobby. wrote on May 8th, 2026 at 10:17am:
Baronvonrort wrote on May 7th, 2026 at 11:04pm:
ADR 98/00 requires all cars made after March 2025 to have AEB (Automatic Emergency Braking)

ADR 107/00 requires all cars to have lane departure warning and active correction to steer car back into lane.

Government forces car makers to do as they say or cars can't be sold here.

If we wanted a simple reliable car without all this BS it can't happen our politicians don't allow it.



I suppose the Govt. is well meaning but I don't believe so many
so called safety features should be forced on to drivers -
some could have negative outcomes too.
Remember the Takata air bags fiasco?   Roll Eyes


Google AI:

The Takata airbag scandal is the largest automotive safety recall in history, involving approximately 100 million vehicles globally due to defective airbag inflators that can explode and propel sharp metal shrapnel into the vehicle cabin, causing severe injury or death.  Takata Corporation filed for bankruptcy in April 2018 after admitting to data falsification and improper storage of the ammonium nitrate propellant, which becomes unstable and explosive when exposed to heat and humidity over time.

Major explosions at Chinese manufacturing plants are common across the country, with poor and sub-standard storage of explosive materials almost exclusively to blame.
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Reply #87 - May 8th, 2026 at 10:45am
 
Inquiries into manufacturing explosions or the production of lethally faulty goods are rarely completed, with Chinese media censors initially allowing reporting of incidents, but routinely ban further reporting after a week or so, giving central, local, and provincial authorities ample time to shut down official inquiries and move on.

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Reply #88 - May 8th, 2026 at 10:49am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 8th, 2026 at 10:40am:
Major explosions at Chinese manufacturing plants are common across the country, with poor and sub-standard storage of explosive materials almost exclusively to blame.




Takata Corporation (タカタ株式会社, Takata Kabushiki Gaisha) was a Japanese automotive parts company.
The company had production facilities on four continents, with its European headquarters located in Germany.
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Reply #89 - May 8th, 2026 at 10:57am
 
Bobby. wrote on May 8th, 2026 at 10:49am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 8th, 2026 at 10:40am:
Major explosions at Chinese manufacturing plants are common across the country, with poor and sub-standard storage of explosive materials almost exclusively to blame.

Takata Corporation (タカタ株式会社, Takata Kabushiki Gaisha) was a Japanese automotive parts company.
The company had production facilities on four continents, with its European headquarters located in Germany.

These issues can and do occur in other countries...

The so-called 'Dieselgate' with VW in Germany, or the Beirut fertiliser explosion, for example.

The difference being that authorities in those countries conduct thorough enquiries, allow unhindered national media exposure and impose criminal and financial consequences to those found responsible.

Chinese authorities rarely do so relative to the number that are initially reported.
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