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Reply #30 - Apr 22^nd, 2026 at 6:42pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2026 at 4:14pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2026 at 10:02am:

If it's ok, get it to market. You'll find out very quickly if it fails the customer test.
The next model will be better based on feedback for the first model.

Sometimes it fails the customer test when a wheel falls off while driving... Chrome-plated plastic lug nuts!

hence Aust standards

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Reply #31 - Apr 22^nd, 2026 at 7:31pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2026 at 6:42pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2026 at 4:14pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2026 at 10:02am:

If it's ok, get it to market. You'll find out very quickly if it fails the customer test.
The next model will be better based on feedback for the first model.

Sometimes it fails the customer test when a wheel falls off while driving... Chrome-plated plastic lug nuts!

hence Aust standards

Yep... Lucky us!

For the local Chinese buyer, it's... 'ohh, dat sad... NEXT!'

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Reply #32 - Apr 22^nd, 2026 at 11:49pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2026 at 7:31pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2026 at 6:42pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2026 at 4:14pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2026 at 10:02am:

If it's ok, get it to market. You'll find out very quickly if it fails the customer test.
The next model will be better based on feedback for the first model.

Sometimes it fails the customer test when a wheel falls off while driving... Chrome-plated plastic lug nuts!

hence Aust standards

Yep... Lucky us!

For the local Chinese buyer, it's... 'ohh, dat sad... NEXT!'

and then the chinese will not buy that brand again ever

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Re: Chinese car comparisons
Reply #33 - Apr 23^rd, 2026 at 7:43am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2026 at 11:49pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2026 at 7:31pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2026 at 6:42pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2026 at 4:14pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2026 at 10:02am:

If it's ok, get it to market. You'll find out very quickly if it fails the customer test.
The next model will be better based on feedback for the first model.

Sometimes it fails the customer test when a wheel falls off while driving... Chrome-plated plastic lug nuts!

hence Aust standards

Yep... Lucky us!

For the local Chinese buyer, it's... 'ohh, dat sad... NEXT!'

and then the chinese will not buy that brand again ever

If only it were that easy...

Cha bu duo is not about iterative improvement; it's about (a) a disregard of quality standards or improvement and/or (b) a way to recoup costs paid to corrupt government officials and mafia-style orgs.

And it pervades all manufacturing.

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Reply #35 - Apr 23^rd, 2026 at 7:59am

To be fair to Chinese workers, the tendency towards a cha bu duo Chinese mindset is exponentially exacerbated by the ridiculous quotas imposed on them and the provinces by the central government, in terms of units produced and cost-to-consumer limits, making cha bu duo inevitable.

And you'll see evidence of it everywhere... from the cheap shirt you buy, where the buttons start to fall off after the first wash, to the latest model Chinese-made vehicle that, over the first year after purchase, has spent more time in a fault-repair garage than in yours.

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Reply #36 - Apr 24^th, 2026 at 12:08pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2026 at 8:02am:

freediver wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2026 at 7:10am:

You "prefer" it? It is not universal. You are the only one I have seen use the term. You have been parroting it on here for months now. Maybe years. No-one takes you seriosuly.

Is there any more rational thought behind this than your preference and you delusion that it is universally known?

Are you suggesting that communism is not universally known to cause a poor work ethic?

And who are these "commentators" you adhere to? Teenage influencers on social media?

Are you motivated to do this out of fear of the CCP, or hatred of the Chinese people? You seem to think TGD would appreciate my efforts here, but he is eager for any excuse to divert blame for the CCP's various failings away from the CCP. He is not above blaming the Chinese people, in particular that there are too many of them.

As I've said here before, for a politics forum owner, your ignorance of world politics is amazing.

You seem to believe that if you don't already know something, it can't be true... It's a common theme in your posts.

The CCP is communist in name only and has been for decades. It is closer to a right-wing absolute dictatorship.

The old communist-era adage, 'they pretend to pay us, and we pretend to work', is no longer applicable to the Chinese worker.

Communist backwardness no longer exists in China.

You are responding to me, but it's like you are talking to someone else. Have you actually read what I posted? Where did you get the idea that I am claiming that China is communist?

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Reply #38 - Apr 24^th, 2026 at 1:28pm

freediver wrote on Apr 24^th, 2026 at 12:08pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2026 at 8:02am:

freediver wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2026 at 7:10am:

You "prefer" it? It is not universal. You are the only one I have seen use the term. You have been parroting it on here for months now. Maybe years. No-one takes you seriosuly.

Is there any more rational thought behind this than your preference and you delusion that it is universally known?

Are you suggesting that communism is not universally known to cause a poor work ethic?

And who are these "commentators" you adhere to? Teenage influencers on social media?

Are you motivated to do this out of fear of the CCP, or hatred of the Chinese people? You seem to think TGD would appreciate my efforts here, but he is eager for any excuse to divert blame for the CCP's various failings away from the CCP. He is not above blaming the Chinese people, in particular that there are too many of them.

As I've said here before, for a politics forum owner, your ignorance of world politics is amazing.

You seem to believe that if you don't already know something, it can't be true... It's a common theme in your posts.

The CCP is communist in name only and has been for decades. It is closer to a right-wing absolute dictatorship.

The old communist-era adage, 'they pretend to pay us, and we pretend to work', is no longer applicable to the Chinese worker.

Communist backwardness no longer exists in China.

You are responding to me, but it's like you are talking to someone else. Have you actually read what I posted? Where did you get the idea that I am claiming that China is communist?

Aww please…

What else would you be referring to in this thread about modern poor work practises in China?

freediver wrote on Apr 21^st, 2026 at 8:10pm:

there is absolutely no need to dream up a culture-specific explanation what you see. Communism more than explains it.

China has been a capitalist state for over 20 years, since the rule of Hu Jintao... And before him, the pro-capitalist rule of Jiang Zemin.

Why raise the issue of the negative effects of communism in this thread in the first place?

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Re: Chinese car comparisons
Reply #39 - Apr 24^th, 2026 at 7:36pm

Cha bu duo's darker side was reported by Western exchange doctors resident in Chinese hospitals, who reported that the cleaning procedure of surfaces that held highly infectious matter was washed down with kitchen soap when it required high-grade hospital detergent.

However, when they reported it to senior doctors, they didn't respond with gratitude for highlighting the poor standard; they were met with contempt and fury at showing up the hospital and the (in)competence of its senior doctors, who, as it turned out, were aware of the practice, but... cha bu duo.

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Reply #40 - Apr 26^th, 2026 at 8:26am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 24^th, 2026 at 1:28pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 24^th, 2026 at 12:08pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2026 at 8:02am:

freediver wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2026 at 7:10am:

You "prefer" it? It is not universal. You are the only one I have seen use the term. You have been parroting it on here for months now. Maybe years. No-one takes you seriosuly.

Is there any more rational thought behind this than your preference and you delusion that it is universally known?

Are you suggesting that communism is not universally known to cause a poor work ethic?

And who are these "commentators" you adhere to? Teenage influencers on social media?

Are you motivated to do this out of fear of the CCP, or hatred of the Chinese people? You seem to think TGD would appreciate my efforts here, but he is eager for any excuse to divert blame for the CCP's various failings away from the CCP. He is not above blaming the Chinese people, in particular that there are too many of them.

As I've said here before, for a politics forum owner, your ignorance of world politics is amazing.

You seem to believe that if you don't already know something, it can't be true... It's a common theme in your posts.

The CCP is communist in name only and has been for decades. It is closer to a right-wing absolute dictatorship.

The old communist-era adage, 'they pretend to pay us, and we pretend to work', is no longer applicable to the Chinese worker.

Communist backwardness no longer exists in China.

You are responding to me, but it's like you are talking to someone else. Have you actually read what I posted? Where did you get the idea that I am claiming that China is communist?

Aww please…

What else would you be referring to in this thread about modern poor work practises in China?

freediver wrote on Apr 21^st, 2026 at 8:10pm:

there is absolutely no need to dream up a culture-specific explanation what you see. Communism more than explains it.

China has been a capitalist state for over 20 years, since the rule of Hu Jintao... And before him, the pro-capitalist rule of Jiang Zemin.

Why raise the issue of the negative effects of communism in this thread in the first place?

Do you think that the influence of communism on a society can disappear overnight because Deng Xiaoping clicks his fingers? For someone who insists that a centuries-old cultural saying is responsible, you are remarkably optimistic about the pace at which a society can change.

Why do you think I keep saying things like China "was" communist, rather than China "is" communist? Some kind of trick?

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Reply #41 - Apr 26^th, 2026 at 9:43am

freediver wrote on Apr 26^th, 2026 at 8:26am:

Do you think that the influence of communism on a society can disappear overnight because Deng Xiaoping clicks his fingers? For someone who insists that a centuries-old cultural saying is responsible, you are remarkably optimistic about the pace at which a society can change.

Why do you think I keep saying things like China "was" communist, rather than China "is" communist? Some kind of trick?

The economic situations of nearly all former communist Eastern European countries, including East Germany, improved rapidly within a few years once their citizens were re-motivated by profit through personal enterprise.

There is no reason to believe that the Chinese dragged their feet under the rule of Jiang Zemin and Hu Jintao... and there's clear evidence that they took to capitalism almost as quickly as Native Americans did to horseback riding after their reintroduction via the Spanish, triggering their ancient instincts.

In fact, one component of cha bu duo is not the laziness theme, but also the personal profit motive of cutting corners and defrauding people with poorly- and cheaply-made goods for more profit.

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Reply #42 - Apr 26^th, 2026 at 9:58am

freediver wrote on Apr 26^th, 2026 at 8:26am:

Why do you think I keep saying things like China "was" communist, rather than China "is" communist? Some kind of trick?

Hard to say... your current point often contradicts the ones you made only a few posts before... you're usually all over the map, particularly when you're trying to reverse or deflect from a ludicrous or ignorant position you previously took.

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Reply #43 - Apr 26^th, 2026 at 10:37am

freediver wrote on Apr 26^th, 2026 at 8:26am:

Do you think that the influence of communism on a society can disappear overnight because Deng Xiaoping clicks his fingers?

So, you're admitting that communism began to decline in China as far back as 1979, then! That's nearly half a century of decline!

Do you operate in daily life in terms of geological time?

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Reply #44 - Apr 26^th, 2026 at 8:32pm

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